Except where the government applies it for us...

Please tell me where in this case that has happened.

I think there's a fine line here. A statue in a public building is interpreted by the general public as honoring the person, not as a figure in history who may have done really good or really bad things. Clearly these people need to remain a part of our public conscience within the context of the study of history, but putting a statue of them up in a public place goes beyond that.

 

I do find it very ironic that Washington and Jefferson get free passes though. Somehow owning slaves in 1790 isn't as bad as owning slaves in 1860. A few years back I went to Charlottesville for a week for training, and one of the co-workers who went with me is black. He was not in a very good mood after the trip to and tour of Monticello, and I don't blame him.

Yeah, that stuff belongs in museums.

Or, if you're offended that someone cheated on their wife, the only presidential statue to be erected in the future will be of Jimmy Carter, by all accounts, our worst but smartest and most moral president and the one who has done the most since leaving office.

 

But...back to the y2hh point, it would be a true shame if a kid can't play a Stratego or Risk-like Civil War based strategy game because there happens to be a Confederate battle flag as part of the game.

 

That's sanitizing the past to the point where it soon becomes unrecognizable.

Edited June 27, 201510 yr by caulfield12

Which again nobody is actually calling for. Because that would be stupid. Stopping honoring something isn't the same thing as expunging it from history.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-reverend...2531605241.html

 

Pres. Obama's eulogy...maybe his best public comments since he ran for office.

http://www.live5news.com/story/29422267/wo...f-sc-statehouse

 

An African American woman climbed the flag pole and took it down this morning. It has since been put back and she was arrested.

5 African American churches in the South have been set ablaze in apparent arsons in the last week.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nascar-chairm...23--nascar.html

 

Nascar wants to do away with Confederate flag now....

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/opinion/...;pgtype=article

Edited June 28, 201510 yr by caulfield12

5 African American churches in the South have been set ablaze in apparent arsons in the last week.

 

It's like the 60s again.

http://www.live5news.com/story/29422267/wo...f-sc-statehouse

 

An African American woman climbed the flag pole and took it down this morning. It has since been put back and she was arrested.

 

 

https://vine.co/v/eJhYu20i7mg

5 African American churches in the South have been set ablaze in apparent arsons in the last week.

What evil person would burn down a church? What a world. ... Maybe the racist nuts of the world will burn down hospitals if it's deemed they employ too many African American doctors n nurses.

Edited June 30, 201510 yr by greg775

White supremacist terrorist attacks have targeted black churches as long as there have been black churches.

http://www.live5news.com/story/29422267/wo...f-sc-statehouse

 

An African American woman climbed the flag pole and took it down this morning. It has since been put back and she was arrested.

 

If the governor can't get the legislature to vote to take down the flag, then all she really needs to do is publicly state that she'll pardon anybody who does this.

White supremacist terrorist attacks have targeted black churches as long as there have been black churches.

 

At least with the five recent ones, doesn't appear any were hate crimes/due to race:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/us/no-ev...rches.html?_r=0

 

 

At least with the five recent ones, doesn't appear any were hate crimes/due to race:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/us/no-ev...rches.html?_r=0

 

LMAO. yea, all vandalism.

LMAO. yea, all vandalism.

it did say one was electrical and the resat were being investigated, so perhaps.

7 black churches go down because of electrical issues. What a coincidence. Must've used same contractor.

7 black churches go down because of electrical issues. What a coincidence. Must've used same contractor.

Nice way to not read. I said one. And one of the seven is supposedly not a black church.

Nice way to not read. I said one. And one of the seven is supposedly not a black church.

 

What exactly comprises a black church?

90%?

50% or more?

2/3?

60%?

Nice way to not read. I said one. And one of the seven is supposedly not a black church.

 

So it's ok that only 5 burned?

So it's ok that only 5 burned?

Yet one more wonderful interpretation of yours. Did I say or even imply that? No. You just assumed that since I didn't bow to your wisdom that I was saying that. it is not ok that any of them were burned down, even the electrical one. But until you have proof of the motivation behind them, if it wasn't an accident, why not try and withhold your bomb throwing for just a bit, until there are some fact that can be confirmed thru something other than knee jerk reactions and guesswork.

What exactly comprises a black church?

90%?

50% or more?

2/3?

60%?

I am not the one defining them as black or not. Go ask AP or something.

Eight churches in ten days now. All just unrelated vandalism probably.

 

http://time.com/3942688/black-church-burni...south-carolina/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/opinions/rhe...;iref=obnetwork

 

Debate over what to do about US military bases named after Confederate generals (Bragg, Hood, Benning, etc.), Stone Mountain, the statues in Richmond, VA (Monument Avenue)...should they be relocated to museums? Private property vs. public parks, etc.?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/con...ride/index.html

 

Opinions on the Confederate flag....southern pride vs. racist symbol havent changed/evolved much over the years