Who is publicly shaming all rape victims? That's messed up.

You make a lot of assumptions to Kane's innocence in this and even the fact that a settlement would be further proof. You yourself have said numerous times that it is a difficult case to prove (unless you have video evidence, etc), it is essentially a he said / she said. Their are a million reasons she might ultimately want to settle which do not indicate she lied or anything of the fact. She might just want this to be over and move on or she might also fully understand that not only will she have to relive what happened in trial (and deal with Kane's defense trying to call her a liar and everything else) but she might go through all of that and still lose because it is a he said / she said case. Fact is none of us know and yes, some on here are blaming Kane but you seem to be taking the other side and well, I don't think any of us know anything and I think in these cases, where the person who allegedly had a crime committed against them, has such a difficult time compared to almost any other type of crime.

Because of threads like this, people do not report rapes?

 

Public shaming is absolutely the top reason rapes do not get reported.

Public shaming is absolutely the top reason rapes do not get reported.

You cannot attribute discussion for "public shaming."

 

Very few people in this thread have shamed this woman, whatever that even means, in this thread. We've been discussing and speculating as to what occurred, but I don't recall a whole lot of posters suggesting she should not have reported this if indeed she was raped.

You cannot attribute discussion for "public shaming."

 

Very few people in this thread have shamed this woman, whatever that even means, in this thread. We've been discussing and speculating as to what occurred, but I don't recall a whole lot of posters suggesting she should not have reported this if indeed she was raped.

 

I have read the same stuff here and have a completely different opinion on what is being said... and I don't feel I am alone in that viewpoint.

I have read the same stuff here and have a completely different opinion on what is being said... and I don't feel I am alone in that viewpoint.

Some examples please?

Some examples please?

 

 

 

lol, seriously? Go back and read. If you don't believe it, don't believe it. It isn't like I made up some study to justify my position here.

I was quoting your words, since you didn't attach any actual information to it. Again, do you have an actual study, or just more shaming?

How am I shaming?

lol, seriously? Go back and read. If you don't believe it, don't believe it. It isn't like I made up some study to justify my position here.

Are you sure you're not just making this up?

Edited September 8, 201510 yr by iamshack

You make a lot of assumptions to Kane's innocence in this and even the fact that a settlement would be further proof. You yourself have said numerous times that it is a difficult case to prove (unless you have video evidence, etc), it is essentially a he said / she said. Their are a million reasons she might ultimately want to settle which do not indicate she lied or anything of the fact. She might just want this to be over and move on or she might also fully understand that not only will she have to relive what happened in trial (and deal with Kane's defense trying to call her a liar and everything else) but she might go through all of that and still lose because it is a he said / she said case. Fact is none of us know and yes, some on here are blaming Kane but you seem to be taking the other side and well, I don't think any of us know anything and I think in these cases, where the person who allegedly had a crime committed against them, has such a difficult time compared to almost any other type of crime.

I am not taking any side other than my opinion, and in my opinion this is a case that is very hard to prove given what we know already and my experience on this topic. I am definitely not in the camp of prosecuting Kane because of his previous behavior nor am I already burning my Kane jersey. Nobody has any evidence one way or the other. Even in your post here you've mentioned i've said things for both sides.

 

Here is one of my made up studies BTW, I need to find the others I mentioned as each one has its own bias and clearly there is a huge deviation in the "falsely" reported category. Most likely it falls somewhere between 2 and 41 percent instead of one extreme or the other.

 

http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/hando...Allegations.pdf

Edited September 8, 201510 yr by RockRaines

Is NY one of the states that requires a grand jury or can the prosecutor directly indict?

What is a Grand Jury?

Under New York State law, unless the defendant consents, all felony cases must be presented to the Grand Jury. Grand Juries are empowered to hear evidence presented by prosecutors, and to take various actions regarding the evidence and legal charges they are to consider. The Grand Jury can also conduct independent investigations. Grand Juries sit for a term of approximately one month. Each Grand Jury is comprised of 23 citizens who hear and examine evidence concerning offenses and take action based on such evidence.

 

What Can a Grand Jury Do?

The Grand Jury can vote an indictment (a written statement charging an individual with the commission of a felony), direct the filing of a prosecutor's information (which contains non-felony charges), direct the removal of a case to Family Court, or issue a report. For the first three actions, the Grand Jury must determine that the evidence is legally sufficient and that it provides reasonable cause to believe that the defendant has committed the crime. Otherwise, the Grand Jury dismisses the matter. If the Grand Jury votes an indictment, the case is adjourned to a Supreme Court Arraignment Part.

I think what you all overlooked during this exchange that sources connected to Kane are saying there is absolutely no settlement talks going on.

I think what you all overlooked during this exchange that sources connected to Kane are saying there is absolutely no settlement talks going on.

 

Its either believe lawyers or believe the media. Kinda makes you feel dirty, don't it.

670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 48m48 minutes ago

 

Report: Grand jury set to reconvene soon in Patrick Kane case http://cbsloc.al/1KHfJ0Y

670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 48m48 minutes ago

 

Report: Grand jury set to reconvene soon in Patrick Kane case http://cbsloc.al/1KHfJ0Y

 

this is interesting news.... i wonder what the feelings on how it is going.

Sounded like a Grand Jury is required in every Felony case so we still have no info. It's frustrating. Looks like we have to wait for an indictment.

Chances Kaner dresses for banner night are down to about 10%.

Chances Kaner dresses for banner night are down to about 10%.

 

i say even less. the reason, the grand jury decision is an unknown.

Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 52m52 minutes ago Fontana-on-Geneva Lake, WI

 

I'm told the salary dump deal / Kruger signing could very well happen this weekend. Perhaps even today. Trade would be pure salary dump.

Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 52m52 minutes ago Fontana-on-Geneva Lake, WI

 

I'm told the salary dump deal / Kruger signing could very well happen this weekend. Perhaps even today. Trade would be pure salary dump.

 

What is he referring to? I am lost.

What is he referring to? I am lost.

Its caues he didn't finish the tweet with "eh". Come on now...all hockey tweets should end in "eh". This is all part of my be more like the Donald movement. On a sidenote...could anyone imagine someone with a name like Southsider or Balta as CEO of Soxtalk? As I run for re-election as president, my goal is make wide spread promises and talk big. I'll even let people pull my hair so they know its as real as "Sammy Sosa's High Heat Baseball".

What is he referring to? I am lost.

 

Sounds like someone is getting traded off for nothing to make room to sign Kruger.

Its caues he didn't finish the tweet with "eh". Come on now...all hockey tweets should end in "eh". This is all part of my be more like the Donald movement. On a sidenote...could anyone imagine someone with a name like Southsider or Balta as CEO of Soxtalk? As I run for re-election as president, my goal is make wide spread promises and talk big. I'll even let people pull my hair so they know its as real as "Sammy Sosa's High Heat Baseball".

 

LOL why are you even in a hockey thread? You hate hockey.

LOL why are you even in a hockey thread? You hate hockey.

 

Dont feed the troll.

Dont feed the troll.

I don't need to be fed...I drive around the country in my solid gold rocket car with a sign that says...re elect president gage. I'm a man of the people...the rocket car was lent to me by former homeless man turned tycoon Chester Lampwick.

I don't need to be fed...I drive around the country in my solid gold rocket car with a sign that says...re elect president gage. I'm a man of the people...the rocket car was lent to me by former homeless man turned tycoon Chester Lampwick.

we've found your VP