you do have a point, but wouldn't also mean that fundamentally is what he promotes.

 

now, i do not know if this is the answer or not. i am just wondering.

 

I believe you are suggesting people like him because he promotes fundamentals? Right? What good does that do if he's not getting them to execute what he's promoting? Why is it that people blame Robin for poor execution while Steverson rarely gets a mention on the board?

I believe you are suggesting people like him because he promotes fundamentals? Right? What good does that do if he's not getting them to execute what he's promoting? Why is it that people blame Robin for poor execution while Steverson rarely gets a mention on the board?

my point and it is still is, the team came out of spring training and imo not ready for the season.

 

with that, that is all RV and the higher ups for promoting him.

 

now the coaches, if you think the batting coach should take equal share of the blame then both coaches , batting coach and pitching coach should also share in the blame.

 

i, imo do not have the answers.

Why is Steverson considered some brilliant mind? Sans Addison Russell, what hitter has come out of the Oakland organization where he was the roving minor league hitting coach?

 

I follow this board religiously and I feel like I'm the only one to bring up Steverson, and I just don't get that.

Why does Coop get a pass on White Sox starter 1st inning problems?

 

Whoever gets designated the punching bag, gets punched. There is no ryme or reason, and now with almost 4 years of managerial experience, the experience card still gets played.

Why does Coop get a pass on White Sox starter 1st inning problems?

He shouldn't.

He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons.

He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole.

He shouldn't.

He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons.

He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole.

Wow. I didn't know any of those pitching numbers. That's tough, especially for a team that has only had any success drafting pitchers.

He shouldn't.

He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons.

He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole.

 

I can only imagine the criticism a hitting coach for the Sox would get if they acquired a player in his free agent year (during his prime years) and had him completely flop like Samardzija has.

I can only imagine the criticism a hitting coach for the Sox would get if they acquired a player in his free agent year (during his prime years) and had him completely flop like Samardzija has.

On that note, can we rehire and then fire Greg Walker?

He shouldn't.

He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons.

He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole.

 

Wow, didn't realize that either.

 

IMO the manager is essentially like a principal and your specialized coaches are like teachers. While a principal is the highest regarded person in a school, its the teachers teaching. Robin may be at the top but I blame hitting woes on the hitting coach and I blame pitching woes on the pitching coach.

 

 

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I don't blame Cooper or Stevenson at all. Get better players.

I don't blame Cooper or Stevenson at all. Get better players.

 

let me play devil advocate...... then why should RV be blame.

let me play devil advocate...... then why should RV be blame.

 

Because he does dumb s*** like not challenge in the bottom of the 9th and bats Salidino 2nd and runs out of pitchers at least once a year. I can't stand RV's tactics. His "teaching" and "leadership" are more amorphous (and harder to critique) but I see enough with just his piss poor tactics to move on.

I don't blame Cooper or Stevenson at all. Get better players.

Says the poster who said Hahn's offseason was great before the season started.

Wow, didn't realize that either.

 

IMO the manager is essentially like a principal and your specialized coaches are like teachers. While a principal is the highest regarded person in a school, its the teachers teaching. Robin may be at the top but I blame hitting woes on the hitting coach and I blame pitching woes on the pitching coach.

 

and if they were give an outline to follow to prepare the students, when the time of test comes around and all found out that the outline was wrong.

 

who is at fault.

 

the hierarchy here will make excuses.

Says the poster who said Hahn's offseason was great before the season started.

 

Well thank god for hindsight! Jeez, it's almost like someone, a national writer, well respected by both scouts and saber guys, someone like like Jonah Keri even said it was a great offseason and wrote 1k words on the Sox for Grantland... Wasn't just me friend.

He shouldn't.

He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons.

He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole.

In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard.

 

While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons:

 

2015: 5th

2014: 23rd

2013: 16th

2012: 12th

2011: 2nd

2010: 1st

2009: 4th

In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard.

 

While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons:

 

2015: 5th

2014: 23rd

2013: 16th

2012: 12th

2011: 2nd

2010: 1st

2009: 4th

 

Yep, can't really use ERA at the Cell. Good post. Cooper and Pitching is not he problem. IT'S THE OFFENSE AND DEFENSE

Because he does dumb s*** like not challenge in the bottom of the 9th and bats Salidino 2nd and runs out of pitchers at least once a year. I can't stand RV's tactics. His "teaching" and "leadership" are more amorphous (and harder to critique) but I see enough with just his piss poor tactics to move on.

 

and coop is his asst coach and a direct line to help or in helping RV.

In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard.

 

While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons:

 

2015: 5th

2014: 23rd

2013: 16th

2012: 12th

2011: 2nd

2010: 1st

2009: 4th

Thanks for keeping us honest. I should have checked my math. 2012-2014 were certainly not good, but you can't complain with the rest.

Thanks for keeping us honest. I should have checked my math. 2012-2014 were certainly not good, but you can't complain with the rest.

One thing that ought to illustrate is how much Danks's injury really hurt this franchise.

In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard.

 

While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons:

 

2015: 5th

2014: 23rd

2013: 16th

2012: 12th

2011: 2nd

2010: 1st

2009: 4th

Most Sox pitchers have higher ERA's on the road. Explain.

Most Sox pitchers have higher ERA's on the road. Explain.

Do most pitchers have favorable home spits? What's the differential between us and other teams?

Most Sox pitchers have higher ERA's on the road. Explain.

The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball at home is 3.71. The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball on the road is 4.14.

 

The average pitcher, if there was such a thing, is 0.43 runs per 9 innings worse on the road than at home.

 

Therefore, it is totally unsurprising that most Sox pitchers have higher ERAs on the road and the White Sox having a split slightly above average could happen in any given year with a small amount of variance or with one pitcher who really likes pitching at home.

The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball at home is 3.71. The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball on the road is 4.14.

 

The average pitcher, if there was such a thing, is 0.43 runs per 9 innings worse on the road than at home.

 

Did you really think I couldn't check that?

What's our home-road ERA differential?

What's our home-road ERA differential?

Bigger than average, but I edited the last line to note that there's no reason why that can't happen in any given year. In 2014 it was reversed and the White Sox actually had a slightly lower road ERA than a home ERA.

The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball at home is 3.71. The average ERA of pitchers across all of baseball on the road is 4.14.

 

The average pitcher, if there was such a thing, is 0.43 runs per 9 innings worse on the road than at home.

 

Therefore, it is totally unsurprising that most Sox pitchers have higher ERAs on the road and the White Sox having a split slightly above average could happen in any given year with a small amount of variance or with one pitcher who really likes pitching at home.

Then don't use USCF as a reason Coop can do no wrong. If you are going to use it, shiuldn't they have a split well below average?The 1st inning runs this season have been ridiculous. It hints at pitchers not be ready when the game starts. They seem to be warming up just as much as other teams, but something is missing. Maybe they aren't mentally ready. That would be on the pitching coach. If Coop gets praise for the good, he needs to be ripped for the bad.