WestEddy

Wouldn't this be more like a tugboat pulling up and delivering more deck chairs to the Titanic?

I read someone surmise Robert to the 60-day IL

People still need to have a sit down while the boat is sinking.

I don't believe any deal will bring back top prospects. If a team has the next A-Rod sitting at AA, they're going to keep him. And on the odd chance you do get a team to let go, you're buying high. I'd rather see more deals like the Cease deal. Three solid prospects, any of which could top out as a monster, and then 4 years of a very good reliever.

What does Detroit pizza have? I've only recently fallen in love again with Chicago pizza. I guess I hadn't had good Chicago pizza in decades. I have to keep away, lest I eat the whole damn extra-large in one night.

I suppose if the pitchers are going to do this, we don't really need to carry Maldonado's .082, or whatever he's hitting. I'd rather see Chuckie Robinson and Lee nurture this staff.

A guy like Tommy Pham is 36 years old. He's probably looking for the best situation that keeps him employed as long as possible this year, and helps him get a job next year. He probably doesn't want to get 3 starts in 6 weeks, then get DFAed when Luis Robert gets back. So his agent might just be shaking every bush in MLB, Japan and Korea before he commits to that great, highly-sought-after contract with the White Sox.

Calling an innocuous phrase "a fireable offense" would be a fireable offense in any organization I ran.

May they be facing each other on 2 different playoff bound teams this September.

DeJong, at least, has some pop. Pillar at cleanup is ..... curious.

Me too. I'm an awesome boss.

Like a sucker on an anthill...

And it sure sounds like Kopech is the Sox' closer, now.

Madrigal - Or it means that if the Sox failed, the Tigers, Giants and Phillies failed worse with their higher first rounders. I think if Rodon was gone, the Sox would have taken Nola. ReyLo - a pitcher's a pitcher. Yes, a starter is more valuable, but they got what they could from him. Kopech - Chris Sale's psychological problems didn't hinder his abilities. Maybe a Brian Bannister level sports psychologist is the next hire. Adolfo also had TJS, and all. That guy is a true tragedy for the org. I remember Bailey & Bush well. Bailey tore up the dominican summer league, and Bush looked like a steal where they took him. Sounds like Bush was a bit of a maturity issue. I don't think Paddy's the issue, just resource allocation and priorities. Rooted for Adams. He just didn't really have major league stuff, right? Clarkin/Basabe - Yeah, a better organization can unlock guys. The Sox weren't (aren't?) a "better" org. Thompson/Dalquist and the 3 guys I mentioned, picked 4,5,6 in 2017. Now we have Bannister. 2005-20whenever was a vast wasteland. I agree. Getz most probably wasn't the best choice out there, but he's certainly better than Hahn. Low bar, I know.

Here's my challenge: No, not irrefutable. Just a name. It's all opinion. I'm even conceding players who were probably failed by our development system. To people who won't even admit that White Sox minor leaguers who came through our minor league system and had success in the majors were even "developed" by the White Sox. That's the part that makes it exhausting.

One national guy who writes about prospects and organizations (Keith Law) singled out the Sox system for taking a huge leap... maybe not forward, but came a long way to catching up to being able to develop hitters, and that happened on Getz's watch. And a lot of guys from the 21 and 22 drafts have shown much more promise than I ever remember a class of prospects having.

Sorry.

Do you have a copy of his resume? Looking on LinkedIn, he worked in front offices since 2014, and was asst. GM/head of player development before his promotion. That's probably enough for a first time GM. As I said to Nardi, I really wish they picked outside the organization. Getz being linked to the KW/Hahn regime is a distraction until the team actually turns the corner again. That said, he's GM, and all the screeching won't change that.

The AJ podcast was a shitshow. I don't claim Getz was remaking the industry from his job. It looks like he did a fair-good job. Keith Law always hated the Sox' system, and he held up Micker Adolfo as an example of the White Sox finally solving their inability to develop hitters. That's a guy they took from a weight room marvel to an actual, thinking, baseball hitter. So, good on him for that, I guess. Personally, I wish the Sox had conducted a full search and interview process, and just gone outside the organization for a new GM. That would at least have bought him/her a bit of a honeymoon period to operate, and make the uncomfortable decisions. Getz didn't, and the fact he was part of the old regime was a distraction from day one. Mike Shirley's drafts look a lot better than any of Hostetler's, so maybe procurement was a big problem.

Obviously.

Yes, he was probably part of the decision making process. "Do you think Andrew Vaughn could play OF to get at-bats?" "Sure, he's athletic. He could be adequate, in time." "Good, plug him into RF tomorrow!"

I did. And that's somehow bad in naysayer world? You're welcome for the knowledge.

That's rich. And funny. Let me when you have to start treatment from all the jolting you get on the internet.

I agree with all of this.

Okay, I've taken out all the guys you concede were "wins". Here's the rest: (my comments in orange) no, they aren't "failures" Eloy Jimenez - Failure - Dumb injuries derailed career, sapped strength Luis Gonzalez - Failure - tried to sneak him through waivers, did well for a month w/Giants Nick Madrigal - Failure - rushed, traded, more bWAR than 3 guys drafted before him Reynaldo Lopez - Failure. EDIT: As a starter - relievers are people, too Michael Kopech - Failure - see Lopez, also, head-case Micker Adolfo - Failure - Keith Law considers this a big org win. Injuries derailed him. Went from not knowing baseball to actual bat-first prospect. The main failure was rostering on 40-man too early, ran out of options. Jimmy Lambert - Failure - no he isn't. Late rounder found bullpen success injured Jonathan Stiever - Failure Sean Burke - TBD, not looking good Norge Vera - TBD, but so far, failure rushed Carson Fulmer - Failure - predates Getz Oscar Colas - Pedro hates him - undeveloped, might just be a bonehead. jury's out Matthew Thompson - Failure Jared Kelly - TBD, but so far, failure yes, couldn't correct flaws Zack Collins - Failure Alec Hansen - Disastrous failure Blake Rutherford - Failure Yoelqui Cespedes - Failure you kidding me? Benyamin Bailey - Failure Bryce Bush - Failure the rest Zack Burdi - Failure - sure. Maybe belongs under 'didn't correct flaws' Spencer Adams - Failure - okay. AAAA pitcher, maybe? Ian Clarkin - Failure - 2 other orgs couldn't, either, but, sure. Andrew Dalquist - Failure - starting to look like a reliever Luis Basabe - Failure - see Clarkin, also, rostered too soon, ran out of options DJ Gladney - Failure - actually, jury's still out. Looked good last year. Slow learner James Beard - Failure - sure. maybe some guys just never adjust to pro ball. Carlos Perez - Failure at this point due to defense - I have no idea. Defense took with many others Wes Kath - Failure - yes! high five me, dude! So, there's my reaction to your list. I'd actually go further, wondering what happened to Lincoln Henzman, Tyler Johnson and Kade McClure from the 2017 draft. I think 2020 conked out a lot of the bubble guys. Also 2017, guys like Blake Battenfield and John Parke made it through the system, and their junk-ball stuff just didn't play at the higher levels. Bad drafting along with not maxing out the ground ball pitchers? In the 2018 draft, they actually got 10 guys from up and down the draft to the majors. But the big misses that year were guys like Luke Shilling, 100 mph guy who couldn't throw strikes, never learned then TJS. A lot of the guys who missed wound up with lengthy injuries. The 2019 draft was a disaster, and yeah, I wonder how Thompson, Dalquist and Beard all underwhelmed. Avery Weems, tho. And 2020 - Garret Crochet. Coffey, Kelly and Horn are still developing. I think Getz got the stars through at the beginning of his tenure, did a better job with the 2018 draft class, not sure if 2019 was just a draft-day disaster, and he was promoted in 2020. Not stellar, not the catastrophe everybody makes it out to be.