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It's true but also keep in mind it's Heyman who is a Boras mouthpiece.

I agree Ryu would fit the bill if healthy ofcourse. I was referring to Keuchel. If they got Keuchel and Wood then they failed to get a 2 and a 4/5.

Mods or OP should change the title of this thread to "On to Plan F"

Hahn did say something was gonna get done in "the next couple weeks... hopefully sooner rather than later" so he's boxed himself into doing something. He can't just do nothing till February.

It's not that I'm scared of the last year, it's that with higher floor low ceiling guys you aren't getting a ton of WAR in the beginning to make up for the investment being bad later. He's like a 2.5 win guy and then it just goes down from there. He's already in his 30s and doesn't strike out anyone. The plan was to get a 2 and a 4/5. Here, we have two 4/5s and no 2s or even 3s. I just expect a little more especially when Hahn says stupid stuff like dont look at Mazara in isolation look at what it allows us to do. Ok, I'm looking at what it allows you to do and I'm pretty damn sure you could have spent 50-60 on a pitcher even if you had signed an OF for another 50-60. So in my mind if you are gonna get 2 guys and one is DK, you still gotta get a 2, not Wood. Wood is your 5. If you get DK for 50-60, then use the other 60 from Wheeler to buy a bad contract (NOT price) in exchange for getting a legit young controlled 2/3.

Even at 4 years for DK?

Keuchel on a three year deal and Wood wouldn't excite anyone at all, but it's prolly the best we can reasonably do without giving up significant assets. What I fear is if Boras jams us into 4 years for Keuchel because the supply of even halfway decent pitching is more or less gone. That would piss me off.

That's a terrible deal. Let them have him. Poor fit in GRF anyway. Ryu is the one I want to see. If the market doesn't go to 4 years, we should get him. And you can add Keuchel as a 4/5 guy, hopefully at 3/48 or something. Between the two will still be less than Wheeler's total contract and at a shorter term. Those two can prolly get us about 5 WAR next year...maybe more if Ryu pitches a full season.

Yeah it will be a PR disaster if they do that after this trade.

COL seems to want to shed payroll. How bout getting Marquez in exchange for also taking Desmond's deal?

Could we get Clevinger for Vaughn?

That MLBExec guy on Twitter predicted Sox would sign Wood on like a 1 year 5m deal.

I agree 125 was more than reasonable. I'm not blaming them for that. What I will blame them for is if we get to March and all they signed is table scraps or had to give up mega assets for a pitcher or had to basically eat price's deal with minimum salary help from BOS for an aging pitcher, or had to give Madbum or Ryu a ridiculous deal just to secure their services, jeopardizing future budgets. These things would tell me there was no backup plans or contingency planning. If that's the case, then yeah, I'd rather go up to 130m for Wheeler rather than 100m for Madbum or Ryu. It's an even bigger overpayment but better than the alternative.

3/60 is not enough. Fangraphs just estimated his 3 year WAR at about 6 wins. There's a decent amount of 2 win pitchers out there. They also estimated on the market he'd prolly get a 1 year deal or maybe 2/30. Why would we pay double that? The estimate is -60m in value. So 3/60 only gets you halfway there. Add Benintendi and there's a deal to be made with BOS also eating 30m on Price.

Cesar Hernandez and Alex Wood on 1 year deals should have been done already.

I think pretty darn soon Eloy will have the unquestioned highest SLG% on the team. He should be 4th or 5th. I'd go Madrigal R Benintendi L Moncada S Jimenez R Grandal S Anderson R Mazara L Robert R (once he develops more plate discipline and a higher OBP he can go up to 1, or 2 if Benintendi leads off, with Madrigal dropping to the bottom third). Collins L or Abreu R

At less than 6 WAR for the next 3 years, even BOS paying half the deal isn't gonna get anyone excited. That might be why Benintendi has to be attached PLUS BOS eating at least some money too. How bout just Price and Sale (that's about 250m in contract obligations....number sound familiar?) and BOS paying about 50m of the 250 and it can be 5m this year to get them well under the tax so they can make some signings but the contribution gets higher in the years when we will need the money to offset the cost. 2019: 5m 2020: 15m 2021: 15m 2022: 15m

Im assuming he said nothing about us?

That's fine with me.....well not the Ryu part but the price part. Let them absorb that garbage contract. So Moreno is willing to pay bazillion in contracts but we can't even beat them out on like a 3/65 deal for Ryu?

Id rather give up McCann than Collins if that's what BOS needs. With his new swing, OBP and power, Collins could be valuable esp as a LHH. And he'd make losing Vaughn easier if he transitions to 1B assuming he can be a .250/.360/.475 guy if his changes work out permanently.

Where did he say price was going?

And that's what Hahn kind of said he was wrestling with when talking about that deal. It wouldn't even be something to think about if it was price but Sale is a different story. Sale, Giolito, Kopech, Cease and one solid 5 would be a great rotation and if they kept him healthy 5/145 is a reasonable deal. They could also keep Beni in LF where he is good and keep Mazara in RF for one year to see how he is and have Eloy and Abreu switch off between 1B and DH. Keep Madrigal...having solid D up the middle is important. Send Vaughn and Stiever and get the trade for Sale and Beni done.

When Hahn said there were temptations and he was talking to KW about it, if it's BOS it's almost certainly Sale not Price. The elbow is a big risk and they'd have to have our doctor's look at it thoroughly. Vaughn AND Madrigal is alot to pay and the 145m with that risk is alot to assume. Benintendi being thrown in helps and I know they were gonna draft him when we took Fulmer. We have a ton of 1B types, but I don't want to lose Madrigal. He's not as easily replaceable. How bout we just take the Sale contract and Beni in exchange for Vaughn, Collins, Mazara, or maybe Vaughn plus Stiever or one of the pitchers we drafted this year. Or what about just taking Sale straight up for Vaughn since we would be eating all the salary. I know their top prospects are 1B but they can move Vaughn if they want.

What about the elbow?

Rabbit needs to get off this board and check in with his sauces in the FO. And then promptly get back on the board and share.