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Why would we want lindor for two years when we still don't have pitching? That would be a horrible trade. Get some damn pitchers. I would be fuming if we traded Madrigal for two years of Lindor.

Im assuming it's for a pitcher?

That Snell contract would be so perfect for our window. Vaughn + Stiever (or Dunning) I'd do but NOT Vaughn + Madrigal.

Yep, plus demand for even halfway decent SP is currently far outstripping supply so Boras is in a good position to wait teams out. The whole problem is that 4th year.

Why would we give up Madrigal for Price and Benintendi when: a) Price is 34 and projected to provide about 2 WAR a year on a contract worth approximately 60 million in negative value and Benintendi isn't worth 60 million in surplus value the next three years? b) We already obtained another LH OF. c) We are sitting on piles of money so why not spend it instead of sacrifing key pieces of the rebuild?

I'm not giving up Vaughn and Madrigal for Blake Snell or Mike Clevinger so if they both got dealt for Price, Nintendo and some cash I will literally be rooting for the entire FO to burn in hell.

Price is trash. Why would I pay 4/80 for a 2.5 win pitcher in Keuchel who will soon be a 2 win pitcher when the FO has had years to figure out how to add a No. 2 pitcher in 2020? Wood is fine as a 5. Adding Keuchel and Wood doesn't get us from .500 to 90 wins and neither does EE. And IDGAF about the Twins. They just had a 103 win season so they are entitled to some wiggle room by their fans to see how they adjust. Our FO isn't entitled to anything.

I'm not saying he leaked it. I'm just expressing frustration that now agents seem to know they have us cornered and we are left with the unpalatable option of having to overpay for flawed players that no one is truly excited about, give up key fruits of the rebuild for a pitcher which would be horrific or trade for overpaid and over the hill pitchers which would also be very sub optimal, or waiving the white flag on the first the prime year of the window, which is not acceptable. One would think an FO so smug and arrogant would come up with a better solution than these and I'm expecting that. Prove me wrong, Rick. Show me the true No. 2 pitcher you are gonna get without giving up any prime player assets. I'm waiting with baited breath for your superior intellect to show itself.

Nice work, Rick.

Boom!

Yes, I'd be SEETHING if nothing happened and we went into ST as is. The Sox should be using their low payroll to take a bad contract off someone's hands in exchange for a good young SP under control for many years. Or a three team deal where we take a bad contract off someone's ands, said someone sends good prospects to another team and the other team sends us the good young 2/3.

A trade with BOS for Price only would be a garbage result. Signing Keuchel as our primary SP signing would be a garbage result. Being forced to give Ryu a 4 year deal because of poor planning and execution would be a garbage result. Trading away key prospects or key pieces for a SP when we have tons of cash would be a garbage result. Signing two Wood/Nova types on one year deals and extinguishing the 2020 season before it begins despite us having suffered for years and been told lies about spending would be a garbage result. I will be absolutely SEETHING if any of these 5 things come to pass.

My favorites were M. Bison and Blanka in SF2.

In fairness, Hahn did say they work better below the radar so I think they are trying to keep a low profile. At the end of the winter meetings he said they were gonna get something done in the "next couple of weeks, hopefully sooner rather than later"...so I expect something before Christmas.

Can we at least lockdown Wood so this isn't a complete disaster when Hahn balks at 4/80 for Keuchel?

Sox offered 2/30 but Miley's daughter just got accepted to Ohio State. Oh well!

Hahn needs to act soon cause once Ryu and Keuchel get signed, the demands in the trade market will soar.

Mr. Giolito lost me at Covey is gonna figure it out.

If Ryu gets 4 years then Keuchel will also end up getting 4 years. Thanks, Mrs. Wheeler.

I think we would have scooped up Ryu for 3/50 if he could be had for that by now. I think Boras is trying to get a 4th year for both Ryu and Keuchel which is why there may be a stalemate for awhile.

Well played. Lol.

I realize there isn't a portal, however the agent has every incentive to keep shopping around the best offer to others to see who can top it and by how much. It makes no sense to hide the particulars of actual offers when you are trying to create a bidding war. I have zero doubt the agent told the Sox what kind of premium would be needed to get it done. The Sox folded like a cheap suit. Just like they did last year. I expect them to produce a No. 2. A No. 2 is NOT Dallas Keuchel nor is it David Price. And I expect them to do it without giving up Moncada, Jimenez, Robert, Giolito, Kopech, Cease, Madrigal or Vaughn. And I expect them NOT to give up both Dunning and Stiever. How are they supposed to be doing that? Well they are taking first class flights like they are big shots when they've been pathetic losers for a decade. If you're a big shot figure it out.

Ok...then grossly overpay. The window has 4 years left before Moncada and Giolito hit the market. We also have been told we have unprecedented financial flexibility. So why isn't Wheeler signed? The reason can't be because his family wanted to stay close to NJ because if that's the case there's no reason for you to be chasing him for two months in the first place and making him a 125m offer. Wheeler will gladly sign in Afghanistan if you make it worth his while. We didn't.

It was reported that after taxes, the Sox offer was about 2m more than PHI. So no they aren't really overpaying in relationship to the offer which where family wants to be. Looks like the Sox offered just enough so they could plausibly say we had the best offer (they learned from last year when everyone could see through the BS incentive deal last year) while at the same time knowing the difference would be tiny enough that their offer would be turned down. Offer 135 and lock your no.2 down. It's better than wasting money on garbage. Or getting a 4/5 for 80m and having the fans curse at them. They will receive ZERO credit for getting backed into overpaying for Dallas Keuchel.

If there's no reasonable backup plan then if it means overpaying by 15m instead of 5m or whatever you have to do it. After all, we now have "unprecedented financial flexibility" or so we were told. It sucks to overpay but it's worth it compared to basically waiving the white flag for one of Giolito/Moncada's remaining four years which it seems they are now doing.