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There's only 21 games in April. It's about 3.7 million, but that's semantics (i'd also guess it takes him about 2 weeks to get ramped up). I'm very well aware of how budgeting works and projected values work. The fact that there's a non-zero chance that he costs 3.7 million means that amount of money will be required/set aside. While the projected allocation may put that number at a lower level, you can't offer the 3.7 million if you're not prepared to spend it all and it is all being accounted for in the budget until it's not. The Sox offered him the money, whether it's guaranteed or not has very little impact on the total liability at the time of the offer. All it does it protect the investment and prevent it from being a 100% sunk cost should they release him. You got the medical side, I got the budget and cost analysis/risk assessment side.

So the money isn't a part of the budget? Having a hard time following here. The Sox offered someone 4.2 million dollars to play. While the 4.2 million isn't guarnteed, there's a non-zero chance they pay out about 4 million of it. When building budgets out, you're not ignoring a value because it might not be paid. It's a part of the total cost until it's not; that's how that works. So they clearly had 4 million to offer to someone, and they chose someone who it's not gauranteed too but still potentially being paid to. The fact that there's a safety valve that says if he sucks, we don't pay it, doesn't take away from the fact that it was a part of your budget when you offered it. The money had to be there to offer it.

The point is the money was offered and is a part of the budget. Whether they spend it or not is kind of irrelevant

So the Sox made the offer with the expectation to not pay him? Trying to figure out the logic here. I get that it's prorated. If they had that money to offer to him then surely that money was a part of their budget, no?

Yeah, the "shocked face" we needed more starters bit is what the issue is here. The Sox were reactionary to an injury when they knew they were light on starters. They waited so long that this was their "best option." I also just don't think it's there best option and I realize it's all junk out there. Cueto's profile just does not fit the ballpark and the Sox seem to never consider things like that. This move is Mat Latos but worse. Maybe they can get some batted ball luck for a few innings, but I just don't see how Cueto helps them win or is reliable in anyway. Like Johnny though so hoping I'm wrong and he can put together a couple decent starts. I don't think the Sox will leave him down regardless of how bad he is down there though.

No way. I'd take keuchel over cueto 10 times out of 10 which is saying something.

Man, I hope I'm wrong but cueto just doesn't fit the ballpark at all. I think he's going to get absolutely torched. Sox have spent 7.5 million on cueto/Velasquez and 11 million on harrison/leury. It's just an absolutely terrible allocation of 18.5 million dollars.

Can't agree with cueto being a good move at all.

Jack, I for one welcome all points of view and find a nice balance between you and Vafan and jerksticks. I also think you should be allowed to post whatever absurd overly negative Tarik Skubal might win the Cy young while giolito is DFA'ed mid-season nonsense you want. That said, I really wish you'd enjoy the team and squad more for your own health. It's rare for this organization to be this talented and fun and I'm afraid you're just wasting this fun and enjoyable time by being miserable and waiting for some collapse. I worry you'll look back and regret not enjoying this. Fanhood really isn't worthy of being miserable. If you can't enjoy the good teams you'll just be miserable 24/7 too.

Duran is a reliever. Imagine looking at skubal, mize and singer and being envious/worried after spending months being critical of cease, giolito and kopech.

Jack sees butterflies and rainbows when he looks at other rosters and sees doom and gloom when he looks at sox roster. Pretty amazing honestly.

yes, which is where beede's velocity has been since he came back from TJ surgery which I've said 100 times. You literally made up a story about Beede velocity in a fake fall instructional league that he wasn't playing in, and throwing 99 MPH there. He was throwing 97-98 in relief LAST YEAR when he came back from TJ surgery before he was demoted. he was sitting 94-96 as a starter in AAA where he got lit up. He will not sit 97-98 as a starter, and never has. He has been bad with velocity. I think he has some talent, I said as much, but I think I found someone more irrational and delusional about beede than me.... making up random stories of velocity growth in fake leagues to boot. "Beede sat at 97 mph with his fastball while striking out three in three hitless innings against the A's." that quote is from an article I posted from 2019. Nothing is new about Beede velocity.

there hasn't been a season. there's nothing showing his spring velocity. here's an article from 2019 talking about him sitting 97 in spring: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-tyler-beede-continues-open-eyes-during-impressive-spring nothing has changed about Beede's velocity this spring. fall instructs... lol, going to assume you're joking, beede isn't pitching in fall instructional. please stop dude. have a good one.

i can't believe i'm having this many back and forth posts about tyler beede, but not it wasn't. Where are you seeing this made up velocity add for Beede this off-season? It's no where. HIs velocity hasn't changed. He was throwing hard in AAA last year. His velocity was up once he came back in 2021 from his rehab. He hasn't added any since then. He's been bad with the velocity.

sign me up caufield. My wife is less than enthused at the bald and fat goal, but we all gotta make sacrifices to achieve our life goals.

Moncada is signed through 2025. If he doesn't get any better and settles at 4.5 WAR average over 4 years, Moncada would have accumulated: 32.8 WAR in his time with the Sox. Chris Sale accumulated 27.1 WAR in his tenure with the Sox. If anyone expected more than 32.8 fWAR at the time of that trade they should have their head examined.

tyler beede isn't working on anything pal; he's literally fighting to keep a job in major league baseball. you chose to just oddly ignore that beede was awful in AAA last year.

Jack, you were one of the most vocally negative guys about him all last year as well. Everyone isn't making it up. I just don't get how you can call yourself a "huge fan" of the guy. A big fan of a guy is me with Crede; name my dog crede. Research absurd statistical accomplishments regarding things like clutch hitting so that I can brag and make Joe better than his actual production may have ever been. Talk up Crede to this day as an all-time great with his 13 career WAR. Get fat, sit poorly in my work chair in hopes of having a bad back and wish i could be bald so I can be like Joe as an adult.

Here's a little blurb from Eno Sarris recently about Brubaker: "J.T. Brubaker (106/107/105) Always noted for his excellent command of a wide variety of pitches, J.T. Brubaker is doing something he did in only three of his 24 appearances last season — showing above-average stuff. Of course, that’s a note of caution, he’s flashed this before, but it’s also worth remembering that he didn’t have this high a Stuff+ number in any two consecutive starts last season. A pitching coach once told me that pitchers like Brubaker — with a few pitches and good command who are just getting to the big leagues — are their favorites because one little tweak can change everything." Eno stealing my calls and guys but I'll cut him some slack.

You don't care that he doesn't get anyone out? he had an ERA near 7 at AAA last year in 16 starts. I like the theory of Beede, but no way should someone like the Sox throw him out there every 5 days for any period of time. Plus, the velocity "spike" you're citing was Beede's first inning back from an injury which had kept him out since 2019. It was hardly some consistent velocity increase; he was hyped, got shredded that inning, and overthrew. He then went down and was awful.

Too bad this guy is FOS, because Brubaker is one of my break out arms in 2022. I like him to take a nice step forward, his stuff has really been playing up and he added a little this off-season. Don't think he's going to be a super star but he'd be more than a nice fill in guy IMO.

as the most irrational tyler beede fan alive - have owned him in my dynasty league for years, drafted him again this year in the last round of the rookie/non-kept draft - what? He's been horrendous this spring; I think the Giants might keep him because they're as irrational about him as me, but still... he hasn't looked good at all.

Jack always running around telling everyone he's the defender of Moncada; his biggest original fan but..... no one on this entire forum is more irrationally critical of Moncada than Jack.

Jack, at times you're the king of someone who completely misuses almost any statistic they find.

Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats. Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year.