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My entire point that you have been incapable of grasping is that none of this twitter shit means anything. You're a bit too dense to figure that out though, so in the future I'll spell these things out to you as to not offend you.

No idea why anyone listens to a word Heyman says; the guy is a mouthpiece for agents league wide. This has been well known for quite some time now.

Reds rotation is loaded; with Wheeler it would be one of the best rotations in baseball. The Sox need to offer the most money; not get cute.

The Bulls have not been been an average defensive team; they've actually been one of the three worst defensive teams in the NBA they just have been incredibly lucky because their competition has been shit and their expected numbers against are much worse than their actual so far.

Sox outplayed their Pythagorean by about 4 games - so projection wise it would have taken them to a 74 win team with Joc.

Wow, you don't say... the Phillies are in on "everyone" again. And no one knows.

Yeah, think he's going to ring chase the last few years of his career.

Hamels only wanted a 1 year deal.

Well the White Sox have been connected to exactly one tip top free agent in a decade and they didn't get him; so they have won a bidding WAR for a top free agent 50% of the time in recent history (Grandal). I didn't imply anything; I said the Phillies being "Front runners" means about as much as when the Sox were "Front runners." None of it matters until they sign, and the Phillies aren't some team that you can't outbid - as has been proven multiple times recently - regardless of whether the Phillies say they won't be outbid or not. It doesn't mean the Sox will sign Wheeler; it simply means the "report" this morning means very little.

Phew, dodged that bullet.

Cool Dick, this doesn't change what was said and reported and what actually happened; no matter how many times you point to other things, my point was they have been said to be front runners on a lot of guys they did not sign. That is, by definition, being blusterous.

Where does this say "All bluster" Dick? They were a lot of Bluster. Everything I said in this post is true; outside of my speculation in the final sentence. Said Philly was a lot of bluster - point to two exact cases of this happening just last off-season (Machado and Corbin). Dick says I'm 100% wrong despite those things literally happening. My goodness.

I said they're a lot of bluster. You're nauseating.

What does any of this have to do with the point I made? My goodness man, you are just arguing at this point to argue. All I said is the Phillies have talked a lot about not being outbid only to be outbid. That was an accurate statement. Again, move the goal posts all you'd like.

So last year, the Phillies didn't jump into the lead as the front runner for Machado only to not even beat the Sox 2nd place offer? Last year the Phillies didn't say they wouldn't be outbid for Corbin only to be outbid for Corbin?

I actually think Wheeler's ceiling is higher but I understand I'm in the minority here.

Yeah, I'd give Cole whatever he wants. He's been a bill of good health, growth and consistency. He's much safer than everyone else on the market honestly.

The guy has thrown over 200 innings TWICE in 8 seasons. Expecting him to suddenly become a work horse at 32 years old is a reach. If his age 32 season is a down year, it's not exactly a glowing endorsement for seasons 35-38.

Never said they didn't. What about what I said was wrong? Sox signed Grandal; that doesn't change the fact that they've been a "front runner who won't be outbid" only to be outbid on Machado. The Phillies language has been similar.

The Phillies have been "spending stupid this off-season" like 10 off-seasons in a row and they've netted Harper and Arrieta. I never said they signed no one - I said they've been linked as "not being outbid" about as many times as the Sox in the past few years while falling flat.

I have no interest in anything over 6 years for Stras. I'm calling it now, but Stras has a down year next year after the work load he just put in.

Forgot about this; the Phillies always talk a lot. Tough to know what is real (Harper signing) and what is fake (Machado/Corbin comments).

I remember when Sox fans were so worried because the Phillies were the "new front runner" for Machado. Turned out they didn't beat the Sox or the Padres offer. Phillies are a lot of bluster. They may get this done, but this is typical Philly operations. They said they wouldn't exceed their internal valuations last year, and I don't see that changing. Phillies may sign him but I worry more about the Reds.

No offense to Rabbit, but who cares? He's not involved in these negotiations and the Sox are not the one leaking like a sieve right now. One thing I actually believed Rick on this off-season was that the organization was going to STFU. All we know is the Sox, reportedly, had the top offer but were willing to go higher if necessary - that was reported yesterday. The Phillies have clearly pushed the price up and the ball is now in the Sox court; we'll see what happens.

With teams bowing out, it looks like final bids are being submitted. May the best bid win.