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Adam Engel was a late draft pick. How is he a critique of the White Sox development? If anything, he's proof against your point. The Sox made a significant change to maximize Yoan Moncada that the Red Sox did not. Where is the respect for things like that?

They traded for pitching depth because pitchers have risk. They also traded for elite position players but that doesnt mean they wouldnt try to acquire another one. I'd guess the Sox sign TWO arms from the not-Cole list. Wheeler is my safest bet but not sure on the other ones.

Yeah, you're so infatuated with the scouting report/metric angle that you completely ignore that MANY players do not want information overload. Go read Greinkes quotes on analytics. Individualized development PLANS and improvement plans is what players need from analytics. Scouting reports have not evolved much over the past decade. Pitch tendencies, and etc, arent new metrics and scouting reports for individual games and pitchers should NOT be extensive and long because you receive them frequently and overthinking is as dangerous as under thinking. What has evolved in baseball is individualized data and analytics to develop and grow personally. Also, colleges have about 20 reports a year to divvy out - because you get one per series. You have all week to "study it" and it's a part of the learning process. You seem to think a scouting report for upcoming games is a lot more important than it is. Analytics have helped individualize development and growth bases on key metrics and tells - it has not grown, substantially, the daily scouting reports. If a player wants a better look at something they can request it. Players shouldnt have to request information that would improve their individual game. Hitting, for some hitters is reactionary 100%. The hitters that are guess hitters will use tendencies and etc. Hitters who arent guess hitters may not even review daily scouting reports.

7 pushes it for me but I get beating the current record.

Put me in the camp that says if it's 8 years, I'm not signing him either.

One is Latin and the other black. Those arent the same races. Besides that, great point there einstein. In the sports comp world, people of similar skin color seem to always be comped to each other.

You got it. I've done some pieces there in the past as well under the community. I've had communication about this throughout this year and it honestly just comes down to stubbornness. As I said, he finished the year where he started it according to them - with zero bumps or improvements in grades... yet coming into the year he was a big unknown who hadn't produced stateside. Now he's been, arguably, the best player in minor league baseball. It just doesn't jive with me.

Nah, they've upgraded individual grades for players throughout the season. They have maintained their power grade by choice. And there reasoning was... well lewis brinson who is also dark skinned and athletic and did cool things in the minors isn't good so Robert isn't either. Brinson never had a year like Robert has had though and literally downgrading a prospect because another human being had good tools and failed is one of the dumbest rationales ever. Players are unique. Lewis Brinsons outcome has nothing to do with Robert's. Prospects of all kinds of abilities and skills have failed. Some elite walk/k rate guys were complete trash. Some elite contact guys with good defense were trash. Robert started the year exactly where he ended it for fangraphs, 20th. Which is absurd unless they expected him to go 35/45 with an ops over 1000 and a 165 wRC+. He was an unknown to start the year.

This may be the most egregious stubbornness ever by a public scouting department. As the year comes to a close and their final scouting adjustments have been made, Robert has maintained his 30 game power grade. To put this in perspective Nick Madrigals game power grade right now is a 40. It is one of the most stubborn stances I've seen and their rationale is comically bad. Luis Robert remains behind Cristian pache by a full FV level as a CF prospect despite being only 1 year older, and performing 70% better offensively and grading out/projecting to be a top tier defensive CF'er. Fangraphs has not moved Robert a single ranking (he remains as their 20th prospect) despite having not just the loudest tools in MiLB but also the loudest production while being young for his level. All you can do is laugh at the stubbornness at this point. Fangraphs have spoken and all you guys saying Madrigal has no power, you are wrong! He has more power currently than Luis Robert.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one. No biggie. The lost of Navarez meant nothing and they actually acquired a player that is more beneficial to this teams current construction.

Nick Madrigal will be your 2020 starting second baseman for 95% of the year. As of right now Madrigal is projected to have a wRC+ of 89 at the MLB level. He would be a 2.5-3.5 WAR player with his defense and baserunning and that offensive output. To out his forecast into context, Luis is projected as a 109 wRC+ player right now in the big leagues. That is amazing by the way because he only has ONE year of success in Steamer and they are still that high on him as a 22 year old. Robert's future is bright.

Yolmer Sanchez, similarly to Gordon Beckham, will not have a hard time finding a job. He will spend 10 years in the MLB because he's defensively talented at multiple positions. Position versatility as a utility infielder with a + glove across the diamond will always have a spot on some roster. I could be wrong but I would expect Yolmer to be somewhere next year.

Means absolutely nothing. Players have never come close to winning a service time grevience. An arbiter can not assume intent when readiness is defined differently by every organization or talent evaluator.

Lol why not? Once they're called up they're not going to file a grievance. A grievance would be filed before (and they'd lose since readiness is objective and not defined) not after their debuts.

Cant tell if this is a joke or not so I'll assume it's a joke.

Yeah, but 99% of catchers don't suddenly improve their defensive abilities at 28 years old. They are what they are at that point defensively. So much of catcher defense is positional and reactionary. Sometimes guys just don't have that ability to process a pitch and get your body in front of it or position yourself to maximize that, nor do they have the athleticism to increase their pop times. Getting rid of navarez was the best decision this team made this offseason because it opened up the door to a catcher much better suited to manage and handle a young staff. Castillo was what he was and he was here to stay through the year and the Sox were not carrying 3 catchers. I also think navarez bat is fine if he was an adequate defensive catcher (even just below average) but his bat is not good enough to make up for him being Mike piazza behind home plate. He needs to be at least 30% better than his catching peers to balance out the fact that he's more than 30% worse than the average catcher defensively. That's why he'll be a 1.5-2 WAR player. His offensive production is cancelled out by his lack of defensive prowess, and his 173 iso is not strong enough to play 1st base or DH.

His glove receives a ball as if it was a glove from the 1920s - as if the ball was hitting a rock. The guy is trash.

Nothing better than when people get mad at the team for not showing some over the top level of confidence about signing major FA's this offseason after they just did exactly that and faced immense criticism for not getting it done. I may be wrong and ignorant, but I think the White Sox make some massive splashes this off season and put themselves back on the national stage. For many who call this a mid market team - rightfully so based on the past 12 years - forget that there was a time, recently, in which this team had national recognition (whether it was being the team featured in movies or pop culture) in the 1990's more than all but 3-4 teams. If this team wins and wins a lot, they will become a revenue gold mine and return to the heyday of national attention and recognition. This is as big an opportunity, if not bigger, as this team has had to catapult itself back into the upper echelon of baseball teams and market since their World Series title. They did not capitalize on that opportunity before but I'd be shocked if they don't attempt to get there with this group of talent. Only time will tell, but white sox fans should be cautiously optimistic and excited about the potential direction of this organization. They may not become the Astros but if they're even close, their profits would dwarf that of the Astros.

You're mistaking being a very good receiver with being one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Flowers is not one of the best defensive catchers in the game. He has slow pop times, and his lateral movement is poor. He has soft hands though.

That reputation seems to follow mccann wherever he goes. Means a lot. Surprised Detroit let him walk honestly.

Just to clarify stone's comment. Pitching is something kids do when they realize they cant hit, not the other way around. Pitchers are complete weirdos and some aren't even really baseball players lol Like those weirdo submarine lefties. Theres no batter/position player equivalent of that nonsense.

The coolest part about yoan moncada is there are no comps for yoan moncada. Robbie was more speed first, power second and elite 2nd base defense. Now that he moved to third there really isnt a comp.

Laymans terms. 10% of his at bats have not been impacted by the escalation of his krate. His at bats is what we are evaluating.

Every player has an expected amount of at bats lost to a strike out entering a year. Let's say Jose's was expected to lose 100 of his 500 at bats to k's (20%) entering the season. Instead, he lost 110 (22%). He lost an additional 10 at bats which was 2% of his total outcomes. When worrying about resigning him and projection him, you worry about the 10 lost at bats - that is the key. The question is will he lose 10 more at bats next year? Which is another 2% of his outcomes. When discussing something like baseball statistics, and explaining their impact, speaking in terms of outcomes to the masses is the more well understood way. While you are correct that he struck out 10% more because it's vs last years strike out numbers, what a lot of people hear is 10% more of his at bats end in a strike out. Explaining in terms more well versed with the point leads to a better understanding for the majority. It's not that you are wrong, it's that based on the conversation and concern of his overall regression impacted by the krate, you didn't cite the impact on the outcomes, you did it on the individual statistic to increase the contextual impact.

I don't think he's been unlucky. There are certainly reasons his average has gone down but it's not related to his spray chart or his BABIP being unlucky. Maybe 5 points or so at most.