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There may be some additional information they want to add to their statement saying they are keeping him despite the conviction, such as he sought treatment and gave up drinking after the arrest, or he has agreed to surrender his license that would be potentially incriminating if released prior to the case being tried but is important to the team's logic in not firing him.

My apologies if this has been covered, but I finally looked up the meaning of "Pito". Is there a story as to why this is his nickname, or is there some other Cuban related meaning to this that the urban dictionary doesn't cover? Seems a weird match for him, as he is the exact opposite I believe.

I believe Raines did successfully beat his drug issues. That's why I kind of recanted on including him with Fisk in my list of "bad examples".

I could be wrong but I don't recall the Sox ever terminating anyone (or at least anyone that fans would know) for an off the field transgression in the 40 years JR has owned the team. The only one I can think of that comes close is Piersall, as I'm sure his attacking a scorer and insulting Sox player wives on TV played a big part in him getting canned, but wasn't the official reason. So don't expect them to change now.

Per Wikipedia: "In May 2008, Fisk returned to the White Sox as a team ambassador, and a member of the team's speakers bureau" Per the Whitesox.com https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office Not sure what job is MORE public facing than "Community Relations Representatives" (althought he was announced as "Team Ambassador" when hired. "Community Relations Representatives Harold Baines, John Cangelosi, Carlton Fisk, Ken Harrelson, Bo Jackson, Ron Kittle, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Donn Pall, A.J. Pierzynski, Tim Raines, Mike Squires" His DUI was in 2012. I don't recall Sox fans clamoring for his termination. And in retrospect I probably shouldn't have mentioned the cocaine thing, that was a cheap shot. That was before Raines played for the Sox. Also Fisk was at Soxfest this January.

Wonder why Masur is only a "candidate to return". Thought he was the chosen replacement for Ed Farmer long term when he filled in during his illness and was full time last year. Who could the other candidates be?

Fisk was an active employee of the White Sox when he committed his DUI. His hiring was not a "second chance". He was absolutely an active case and not punished by the Sox, and remains an employee with a statue to this day. He has a public facing job representing the White Sox to the community. If they didn't fire Fisk, they won't fire LaRussa.

The White Sox employ a former player with a DUI and another former player who has admitted possessing and using cocaine during MLB games both as "Team Ambassadors". The player convicted of DUI has his name on the wall and a statue on the concourse. Ethics and pro sports don't mix.

The fact that he agreed to a breathalyzer test on the spot, despite having prior experience in this area, would indicate to me that he did not believe he was drunk at the time. I don't believe an education program would have prevented what was probably more of a really bad lapse in judgement than an intentional decision to drive drunk. If he thought he was drunk, he would have delayed the test as long as possible. If I were him, and thank god I'm not, I would give up my driver's license and use my probably high paycheck to Uber it everywhere forever.

And actually, I believe he was out with Angels employees. So if anyone deserves a fine, it would be them, particularly if TLR was obviously messed up at that dinner.

Jose should just answer "Why are you asking me, I don't hire the manager. Next question please."

He also recently had hip replacement surgery. May have been an interaction with drugs that caused the excessive issues at .09. And NO, I am not encouraging or endorsing mixing alcohol and pain pills. That is stupid. Just being very clear.

Backman was a bigger mess than LaRussa.

Assuming the Sox cut clean on LaRussa and don't have him hanging around in the background I don't see how this job is now less desirable that it was a month ago. JR has been around 40 years, everyone knows the pros and cons of working for him by now. While what he did is surprising, it really isn't.

The line of thinking I said was dangerous was that people were saying you need to drink a full bottle of wine to get drunk (.09), because an online BAC calculator says so. Older people don't need to, they can get drunk on a couple of glasses. Therefore older people need to be more careful. TLR apparently hasn't figured that out. It appears that TLR was drunk, both from the BAC readings and damage to his car. It is however, also possible, that he only had a couple of glasses of wine. The two are not mutually exclusive. Based on a BAC calculator he would be OK. But obviously he wasn't.

Hell no. I'm saying its easier for an older person to hit .08 than a younger person. I figured that out when I got older, and now don't drive if I've had more than one drink, period. I'm saying those who claim he had to have downed a bottle of wine to hit the legal limit are wrong, and that line of thinking is damn dangerous. Older people can be legally drunk way quicker than young people, and therefore need to be MORE cautious. And definitely not follow on line BAC calculators based on 30 year old bodies.

One of my general rules in life is I try to avoid criticizing (or demanding the firing of) people for doing dumb things that I have done myself. Not a big fan of hypocrites. I don't know you, if you drink, or if you have ever driven after drinking. If you haven't, I salute you. But I'd be willing to bet a lot of the other stone throwers live in glass houses.

Online blood alcohol calculators can be highly inaccurate for older people. Older people process alcohol more slowly, have less water in their bodies, and more fat tissue than when younger. Its is possible someone in their 70's or 80's could hit .09 on two or three glasses of wine.

I would be willing to bet that 75% or more of Sox fans who drink have operated a car around. 09 . The first half or so of my driving years it was perfectly legal to do so. Based on the fact that charges weren't filed until his name came back up in the news, and considering his rather public political leanings, I wonder if there isn't more to this story. Bochy was my first choice and I'd be fine with that outcome, but Stone is 100% correct. Sometimes the entire story takes a while to leak out.

True, but 8 months had passed. It's not unreasonable to think it wasn't being pursued at that point. And for a long time .09 was actually legal in most states (.10 was the limit), so this may have been something they didn't want to spend resources prosecuting.

If he wasn't completely upfront about what happened I would imagine they could get out of it. Its possible TLR said he was arrested, but wasn't drunk, and expected it to get thrown out.

If Fegan's most recent story in The Athletic is accurate it is pretty damning. He is reporting TLR blew .09, and witnesses had called in reporting he was swerving all over the road before he hit the cutb. Couldn't produce his ID even though the officer saw him pass it in his wallet twice. If Fegan was involved in the supposed press embargo he definitely ignored it, to his credit.

No, one of his employee's was. And he owned and ran the facility in which I was served. And he profited off that service. Jerry wasn't the one who served TLR in Arizona either, I assume.

Bartenders can and have been held liable for overserving customers. My local liquor store doesn't let me slam a six pack in the building and drive a car. They may not be endorsing it, but they are reaping the financial benefits of it, as is JR. And every other sports owner. They know damn well 40000 people aren't all taking cabs and public transportation, but they do little to nothing to avoid overserving.

I kind of do....I bought a lot of beer while underage at old Comiskey during TLR's first run with JR. Wasn't carded once.