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QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 9, 2007 -> 03:54 PM) which is evident by his 6 SV's in 19 career opportunities Don't cite stats if you don't know how they're tabulated. A blown hold is technically a blown save. But you don't get credit for the save unless you finish the game, allowing numbskulls to make statement like he has only 6 saves in 19 opportunities... According to baseball-reference Qualls has entered a game in what would be considered a save (or hold) opportunity 93 times. He has blown 12 of those opportunites, which works out to an 87% save percentage. By comparison, Bobby Jenks has a career save percentage of 88%.

I want to squeeze Lou Holtz and see what comes out of him.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 05:15 PM) It's evidenced by his 16 HR given up in 66 IP. Supposedly Slowey threw close to 90% fastball in the minors, according to BA. According to pitch data available through MLB, it looks like he threw less than 2/3rds fastballs.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) Could we really have not match Detroit's offer for Renteria? We probably could, but it would mean us taking on Renteria's contracts and lord knows we can't afford an extra 6 million or something for Renteria. There's little doubt that we offered Garland or Contreras for Renteria. Instead of 1-2 years of a 3-5 starter (depending on who we included), the Braves got a very good pitching prospect, projected to be their #5 and a #3 in the future. They have him under control for 6 years. And While Gio and DLS both rank as better pitching prospects than Jurrjens, neither can be as readily counted on as Jurrjens who had a decent initial taste of big league action. On top of that they got a CF prospect with a ceiling unlike any position prospect in the White Sox organization. Oh and they saved the difference in salary too. Our package of Garland or Contreras didn't stand a chance from the Braves perspective.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 09:09 PM) What would be a realistic package? They're asking for a young CFer and two young pitchers.... I saw speculation that it would cost the Yankees Melky and two of Hughes/Chamberlain/Kennedy... I'm sure they'd take Anderson/Broadway/McCulloch... 3 FIRST ROUNDERS, BABY!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:16 PM) I honestly dont like Youk getting one. Who's he beating out? Kotchman? Minkalphabitz? Gload?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 01:27 PM) I'm not condoning trading Jenks. I'm thinking of it from Tampa's perspective. They'd get three more pre-free agency years out of Jenks (I think three -- Kalapse?). They have some money to spend with new ownership, and as such could look to extend Jenks when the time comes. I don't think Jenks and Danks gets it done, BTW, but I'd say that's a pretty interesting offer. I've got Jenks down for 4. I don't think he's a Super Two. He came up in July '05. Played two full seasons. Shouldn't be arb eligible until after this season.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 09:00 PM) Yeah, Burrell and his fantastic OBP would just be disasterous. and he'd probably be a Type A at the end of next season... So assuming you're trading Crede for Burrell straight up, you're getting burrell for a year plus 2 pick sin the following season for one season of Joe Crede. Sounds good to me.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 05:36 PM) If that doesn't get Weis fired, I don't know what will. A dramatic change in skin pigment?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 10:06 PM) Giving up draft picks for any of those guys would be terrible. In Bonds case you wont' give up a draft pick because the Giants won't offer Bonds arbitration. But geeze, if the Sox sign Hunter or Rowand & Eckstein the club will have little draft picks. Not only will those two signings help cripple the franchises future, but they will also cripple the system with a loss of early picks. You don't lose any draft picks for Type B now

Some other craziness/newsworthiness... Andruw Jones and Mike Cameron are B's while Rowand and Hunter are A's.... Furcal is the top B, meaning he'd likely need a better than '06 season, though it's crazy how elias defines this, to reach type A status

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 07:37 PM) They are trying to win. Draft picks are fine, but those guys, if they pan out are usually at least 4 or 5 years down the line. The White Sox would then again be looking for a SS, so the $7 million you supposedly saved over the second year will be eaten up. Bill James is coming out with the top 25 players 29 and under. Not surprisingly, no White Sox will be mentioned. Considering I just read were Silva may get between $10 million and $12 million a year, Contreras contract with a little bounce back is probably not so bad. $13 million for Furcal is a lot. Your $2 million in relief sets up a rotation that could be the worst in baseball. The White Sox need Contreras to bounce back. Maybe not to where he was from mid 2005 to mid 2006, but a guy who can win 12-15 with an ERA around 4.25. I think that's more probable than Gavin Floyd being lights out, or John Danks pitching 200 innings, or Gio Gonzalez, my favorite prospect, having a lot of success his first season. If 2 of those 3 are in the rotation, the White Sox will be battling KC for the cellar, just like this year. They're trying to win. So how is a plan of Uribe, Contreras, and pray for a rebound a better plan than getting rid of the deadweight and bringing in a better option at short? All I know is Furcal is FAR more likely to return to his former self (previous 4 years of 285/350/425) than a 36(?) year-old Contreras who's seen his strikeout rate fall in every season. A rotation that's the worst in baseball yet contains Buehrle, Vazquez, and Garland? Let's leave out the hyperbole shall we? Those three could have competed with any single rotation in the post-season. Or if we're going to play the "could be" card, let's at least acknowledge that Danks could turn around like Carmona and Floyd's final 7 starts could be the sign that he's finally figured things out. Then the Sox have what might be the best rotation in baseball... you know, if we're gonna play that game. I know we don't have any great under-30 players, shouldn't that be a reason we should want more draft picks, quickly? Shouldn't that be a reason to get rid of the rapidly aging, and probably eldest member of the roster?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 05:46 PM) That leaves Gavin Floyd, John Danks, and Gio Gonzalez battling for 40% of the starting rotation. That isn't going to win. Neither is sticking with Contreras and Uribe... QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 06:23 PM) If the Sox trade Contreras, they must get salary relief. Not get back a huge question mark like Furcal who makes even more and has 1 season on his contract. I don't understand how Furcal is a bigger question mark than Contreras... And when combined with removing Uribe, he provides about $2M in salary relief in '08. Since we've both concluded that the Sox aren't going to win in '08 (actually, I think they can be a .500 or above team. Just not one which can compete for the division crown). Furcal's more quickly expiring contract, $7M less salary overall, and the ability to possibly bring in extra '09 draft picks with a rebound season, should make him more desirable to a team looking to turn around quickly. If you want to languish as a 4th place team, you keep Contreras around along with all the other slow, (soon-to-be) breaking down over-30 crowd. If you want to get back to being a top team in the Central, you make the necessary moves to get more athletic at the major and minor league level as quickly as possible.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 05:10 PM) I really don't know why everyone wants Furcal. He's coming off a fairly poor season, makes $13 million a year, pretty overpriced in myopinion and is a free agent at the end of the season. So even if he played well, he'd be looking for a raise. I I think the only reason people want Furcal is if it comes by unloading deadweight.... The Sox could pay him $13M and still shed $ if they are able to swing a deal with Contreras($10M) and dump Uribe ($5M). That (theoretically) makes the Sox a better team while spending less money.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 29, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Jurrjens upside is said to be a 3rd starter at best. Its pretty easy, find out spects that top out at third starter potential. Couple that his already balky shoulder in his early 20's and he is not exactly the best spec. He is a good one, ill give you that, but not nearly worth Renteria's production. ATL gave up too much for what they got in return looking at their lineup and what they lost. Now if that extra money allows them to sign someone else, then it wont be such a bad trade. If you like, I can cite actual experts opinions on it as it comes out as well. Maybe that will at least give some better insight than "your ignorance is showing." Maybe you stopped reading after the first line. I explained how those prospects were better than almost all of our system. Insight isn't just a bowl game. ATL gave up Marte for two years of Renteria and two very good prospects... Sounds like they didn't get raped to me.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 29, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Really? A young unproven pitcher with a bad rotator cuff and a 3rd starter upside and a "toolsy" Of'er for a proven MLB SS who had a great year isnt getting raped? They certainly didnt win the deal. Construct a package of White Sox prospects better than what the Tigers gave up and get back to me... Here's how I would rate the two players they gave up were they in our system... Gio DLS Jurrjens Carter Poreda Hernandez Sweeney Eggy Shelby

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 29, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) wow, ATL got raped QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 29, 2007 -> 03:34 PM) How again, wasn't Kenny in on something like this. Your ignance is showing.... Jurrjens is very good prospect, comparable to Gio in that some would like him more than gio thanks to a Fastball that sits at about 93-94 and a bit larger frame. He's got a nice tight slider... In fact, his stuff is very similar to DLS, but he's a better prospect thanks to his success at AA and the show...He doesn't have the K-rate of Gio, but thanks to more than a handful of starts at the big leagues, he'll probably slide right into the Braves rotation next year. Hernandez is not just some throw-in either... He's a big upside CFer unlike anything we have in our system... In other words, if Kenny were to offer Gio and Jose Martinez to ATL for Renteria, they would have likely said no-thanks since they couldn't count on Gio (our top prospect) to step in right away and Martinez isn't yet the prospect that Hernandez is....

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 28, 2007 -> 12:31 PM) Since I'm not in the Chicago area and can't listen to sports radio or read the papers, are people calling for Turner's head yet? 2nd and short isn't a time to run your short yardage offense.. It's a swing for the fences down. Twice we've had 2nd and 2 or less today, once at midfield, once at our own 28... the midfield down was a CB run for 2 yards, the second was inclomplete 2-yard pass the the fullback.. The f***ing fullback On a team with Devin Hester and Bernard Berrian, our 2nd and short calls are going to Benson and McKie. Brilliant!

Put hester back... We've had 108 yard returns in these uni's each of the last two years

Good thing we took that timeout

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 28, 2007 -> 12:58 PM) Can Azumah come out of retirement? I'm sure he could, but his neck injury would probably mean we'd see one of those pesky Coroner On The Field delays... Another bad route by a Manning, this time Ricky...

Danielle manning couldn't follow a trail of breadcrumbs to a ballcarrier. I don't think I've ever seen him take a proper route.

Bradley didn't know what route he was supposed to run on that.... It looked like he chose the right one, but Griese made Grossman blush with that pass... Surprisingly the Lions' safeties seem unconcerned with the Bears rushing juggernaut.

3rd and 21, I'm sure the lions safeties will bail the Bears out

can we kill the Toss play already? It obviously doesn't work with Benson, and we just lost 6 yards trying to run it with Hester.