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Washington with 4 chances to send this to OT.. Stupid first down call. Gotta burn the TO. :12 left, hopefully enough for three plays (maybe not)

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 03:02 AM) Had to know there was no way Hawaii would lose this game They got a little help on that third down call. No penalty, and Washington was in FG range and could start running time off the clock.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 02:50 AM) As a huge Illini fan who goes to Mizzou, it will truly be a travesty when Illinois and Kansas go to BCS bowl games over Mizzou who beat both of those teams on neutral fields and is the superior team. It just is not fair and the BCS needs to go. 8-team playoff, there is no way that you can tell me that LSU is a better two loss team than Mizzou, Georgia, Oklahoma, or better than a one loss Kansas for that matter. I'm in favor of a playoff, but an 8 team playoff this year would still have Mizzou on the outside looking in.... It doesn't fix the problem you're complaining about.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 01:49 AM) I was working on the assumption they were going to lose tonight. Might still happen that way, but Hawaii isn't going away quietly. So if Hawaii wins, who loses out? Illinois? Arizona State? ASU. (but it all depends on KU's status) You have to figure the top 6 to be OSU, LSU, UGa, VT, KU, OU. The teams that are in for sure are OSU, LSU, VT, WVU, OU, and USC. The first picks of the other eligibles are going to be Rose and Sugar. Rose would take a traditional power, or big draw over ILL if they had one. It's not really there in a pool that includes, Hawaii (presumably), Kansas, ASU, and ILL -- MICH is ineligible with less than 9 wins. FLA would be ineligible with two other SEC schools in gaining essentially automatic bids by being in the top 4. So the Rose take ILL to pair with USC. Sugar then takes the top available team (LSU or UGa)... Orange picks next, filling it's game by picking WVU to pair with VT. Fiesta goes, picking from ASU, KU, Hawii to pair with OU... ASU makes the most sense, but if KU gets an auto bid by being high enough. ASU will be on the outside looking in ... because... The Sugar is forced to take Hawaii with the last pick...

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 01:38 AM) aren't all the whitesox scrub farm hands Soxtalk icons? They all blow. Wasn't Brian Andersen a top 50 prospect in the past. John Danks was as high as 11 (as ranked by MiLB.com) :masturbatingsmilie

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 12:53 AM) Here is my breakdown based solely on guessing, not having read anything about what specific bowls may do: BCS Championship - OSU vs. LSU Rose - USC vs. Illinois or Georgia Sugar - Georgia or Illinois vs. Missouri or Kansas (Illinois/Missouri rematch?) Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arizona State Orange - VA Tech vs. West Virginia Somebody tell me where I am off, please. I'll be really interested to see the movement in the polls. There's going to be a strong sentiment for LSU to be in as the SEC champ over Georgia. I think you might even see a number of people who want an OSU-LSU matchup to put LSU 1 in the polls to offset the Georgia factor. OSU is in for sure. Right now, without having heard any of the pundits sound off, I would think that UGA will be #2... Either way, it will be a big clusterf*** which will produce lots of complaining. I'm just not quite sure which coach/boosters are going to be making the most noise.... I'd bet on Hawaii coming back by the end of the night. Let's call this a doomsday scenario.... NC = OSU vs UGA Rose = USC vs. ILL (Their only other choices are KU, Hawaii, or ASU) Fiesta = OU vs. KU (a big 12 game is better than a matchup with Hawaii -- Actually, no. They'll take Hawaii. They got a great game last year with OU and an exciting at-large. They'll look for that again.) Orange = WVU vs. VT Sugar = LSU vs. KU If you're right rex, and LSU jumps to #2, with pollsters really thinking about the impact of their votes... I would predict the top 5 to be OSU, LSU, UGA, VT, KU (I think KU then misses out on a BCS game because they're not in the top 4 -- Or did they change that to top 6?) Anyway, if KU misses out, and LSU is in the title game. ASU will play in the fiesta vs. OU with UGA vs. Hawaii in the Sugar.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 01:06 AM) Well it would have to be U of I in the Rose Bowl wouldnt it? The Rose Bowl is under no obligation to take a Big 10/Pac 10 team if they lose them to the NC.

I'm fast but inaccurate. The problem being, I instinctively hit the backspace button so often that it f***s me on something like this. I can't crack 350, but I'm almost always at 0 incorrect. Also, I would do better if the words were longer an in coherent sentences. I don't type like that, so this test is kickin my ass.

QUOTE(bighurt4life @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 11:27 PM) It's really no surprise that only one sox player has made this list so far, our farm system doesn't really get many props from the rest of baseball. I wouldn't be surprised to see DLS somewhere in the 15-20 range though, he's pretty nasty. I would've thought that Carter would've made the top 50 though I can come up with about 10 other young hitters in A ball, equal or better than Carter, who didn't make the list.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 09:01 PM) Real quick opinion, not like anyone cares. David Riske is a reliever who doesn't handle tough outs well. His stuff has deteriorated over the last few years, and I have no problem with them not tendering him last season. They didn't non-tender him. He was a FA. They declined to offer him arbitration, which would have resulted in either 2 extra top 75 picks (about $2M in signing bonuses), or 1-year of Riske at about $2.5MM.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 11:43 PM) So, what do you think Jim? Roto seems to think adding Morlan for Rincon makes the deal a lot better for the Rays. I'm not very familiar, so I'm kinda going off that. Morlan went to the same HS as Valido, graduating a year later... Big strikeout numbers over his entire minor league career, but the Twins moved him to the pen this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rays flip him back to the rotation, where his numbers were just as good. It probably is better for the Rays since they're still not going to win anything next year. Morlan would contribute in '09 at the earliest, which figures to be the first Rays team to finally compete in the AL East.

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 12:07 AM) Anyone surprised they traded young and kept Dukes? or will Dukes be on his way out as well? Sounds like the Nats were the only team in baseball with any interest in Dukes at all.

QUOTE(scenario @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 12:01 AM) And.... what does this have to do with David Riske? Do you really think he is a 'talent' who is underappreciated on the market? Really? If so, I hear he's looking for a new agent. He just fired the last one who was struggling to find him better deals. Maybe that's it... Linebrink just had a much better agent, eh? I tried to relate to you in terms you could understand. You seemed to be in agreement that Riske's numbers didn't matter. And that it was his salary, or the number of teams erroneously courting him, which determine his overall effectiveness. I presented a similar case, one where a player got zero interest on the open market despite being arguably best player available at his position, to refute your claim. I see that's a no go as well. Of course Riske is underappreciated. The White Sox didn't see fit to offer him arbitration last year when doing so would have either resulted in 2 extra draft picks or another year of steady middle relief at $2.5MM. The White Sox were stupid, nay retarded, for failing to exploit this scenario. Here's another for instance, using your argument.... Danys Baez signed a ridiculous deal last off-season, while Riske was only able to garner a 1-year deal. Is Baez a better pitcher than Riske? Why?

QUOTE(scenario @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 11:32 PM) I agree with 29andPoplar. If you even have to ask that question then you can't have watched the games. And the market very clearly spoke up about Riske's value after the '06 season (in which Cleveland, Boston, and the WhiteSox - three teams that all needed relief help last year - all dumped him)... the only team interested in offering him a deal was the Royals with a 1 year contract. On the other hand, if the Sox hadn't ponied up for Linebrink, there were several other teams that would have made him offers. So please don't delude yourself into thinking these two guys are equal talents. I can use this argument.... After 2004, the White Sox, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cardinals all needed a second baseman. The Red Sox elected against signing Iguchi, and stuck with their incumbent. The Yankees took the Cards 2B, TONY F'N WOMACK. The Cards took Grudz. The Sox settled on Iguchi (as the only major league bidder) instead of a Harris/Valdez platoon. The prize of the 2B free agent class, Placido Polanco, couldn't get anyone to give him a second look. (He was drafted by the White Sox and Cards, they had to know who he was). The Yanks, Cards, White Sox, and Red Sox were all looking for top of the order hitters to play 2B, and none of them thought Polanco was worth a look. That doesn't mean Polanco is less talented than Tony Womack, or Mark Bellhorn, or Tadahito Iguchi, or Grudzwhathisname. It just means his talent was underappreciated on the market. Don't delude yourself and equate a paycheck with baseball talent.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) The reason is they think Armstrong is a strong catch and throw guy who took a big step up this year, they feel he can handle a pitching staff and might make a good back up catcher. As for F. Hernandez, he tops out high 80's, getting strikeouts with his curveball, and the White Sox don't think he'll last long in the majors, if in fact he makes it. Especially the American League. We'll see if they're right or not. The first player sounds like Gustavo Molina. The second player sounds like Lance Broadway.

QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 06:28 PM) Addition by subtraction...no more pods/cintron...can't get worse than watching Cintron... Unless it's Gonzalez

Wheeler came over in the Wiggington deal last year. Cuz the Stros really needed Wiggington.

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) I liked Brendan Harris a lot. Came out of nowhere last year. Tampa must be set with Zobrist. He couldn't field! The only positive thing you could say about his defense at SS was "at least he's better than Upton"... And the Rays just got a much better SS than Zobrist in the deal.

I thought Percival would have been a better signing than Linebrink, but I thought he could be had for only a 1-year deal. 2-years is a non-starter for me.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:46 PM) Thanks. Any idea on Wing? No need. He's a 6 year free agent

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:45 PM) Just curious... could the Sox decide to spend the $50k or whatever it costs to buy someone back in the Rule 5 that they already had, if they decide they have the roster room at that time? Not that I think its likely, but, you never know. And if they don't get drafted, does the "home" team get a chance to re-sign them? Theoretically, sure... It would have to be more than $50K, and Bud wouldn't approve. Hernandez is pretty much gone. There's nothing we can do now but beat off to Cole Armstrong box scores.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:40 PM) Or, if the Sox plan on trading for one or making another move or two, adding Fernando Hernandez to the 40. doesn't matter. Deadline was last Wednesday to be protected for the Rule 5

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Roster stands at 39 now, so we have room for our CF. No. It's 40. Pods name came off when he was DFA'd -- He was just in limbo for 10 days -- Today was a 1-for-1 swap

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:26 PM) I've tried to do some reading up on Hernandez lately. I think the team is making a mistake not protecting him. What is the deadline again? Is there a chance they still make some moves and protect some folks? last week. No

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2007 -> 03:19 PM) Playing in Montreal all of those years did more to kill his and Andre Dawson's chances at the HOF than anything. If they had played in even a mediocre US city, they would have been first ballot guys. Playing in the shadow of Rickey hurts too... He's the second best leadoff-type guy in baseball history. It would be a crime not to include him in the hall because his numbers pale in comparison to one of the single best players in history... He's a HOFer.