What say you non-Baines biased people?

 

Edited November 27, 200718 yr by knightni

I think after 24 hours, I'll pare the list down to the "top 10" guys in a new poll.

Just saying, but I would have rather voted "none" in the last box.

Raines has some pretty impressive career stats. .294 career average, 808 SBs, .385 career OBP. He walked a lot for a non power hitter.

Rock is the best choice in the last box. Unfortunately, he played at the same time as Rickey, and that comparison will detract from his chances, since leadoff men often get short shrift from the voters.

 

Blyleven is by far the best choice in the middle, and Gossage, Morris and Mattingly are the best of the top bunch. I don't see any of those guys getting the nod this year, though. Maybe Blyleven -- or maybe East Coast Bias puts Donny Ballgame over the top.

 

Could we be looking at a year where no one gets elected?

Rock is the best choice in the last box.

 

Better than a 288 game winner (John) or a 580 hr guy (Mac)?

 

McGwire; Congress aside, has never been proven of steroid use.

 

 

 

Better than a 288 game winner (John) or a 580 hr guy (Mac)?

 

McGwire; Congress aside, has never been proven of steroid use.

 

Even so, his numbers outside of HRs are FAR from HOF worthy.

McGwire "hasn't been proven" as a steroid user -- well, what is the proof people speak of? Canseco's testimony, an FBI investigation that netted his supplier/trainer, your own eyes? And yeah, his numbers besides HRs are far from HOF-worthy.

McGwire "hasn't been proven" as a steroid user -- well, what is the proof people speak of? Canseco's testimony, an FBI investigation that netted his supplier/trainer, your own eyes? And yeah, his numbers besides HRs are far from HOF-worthy.

And his use of the 5th amendment.

Slightly OT, but what hat does Tommy John wear in the hall of fame if he makes it? Or does he go the Gaylord Perry route?

 

Cleveland Indians (1963-1964)

Chicago White Sox (1965-1971)

Los Angeles Dodgers (1972-1974, 1976-1978)

New York Yankees (1979-1982, 1986-1989)

California Angels (1982-1985)

Oakland Athletics (1985)

Slightly OT, but what hat does Tommy John wear in the hall of fame if he makes it? Or does he go the Gaylord Perry route?

 

Cleveland Indians (1963-1964)

Chicago White Sox (1965-1971)

Los Angeles Dodgers (1972-1974, 1976-1978)

New York Yankees (1979-1982, 1986-1989)

California Angels (1982-1985)

Oakland Athletics (1985)

I think he should wear like, scrubs, or whatever you put a patient in when they go in for surgery. Because 99% of the references to him any more have to do with replacing parts of people's elbows.

Voted 5. In order of most deserving:

 

Bert Blyleven

Tim Raines

Andre Dawson

Jim Rice

Harold Baines

 

I also almost voted for:

 

Tommy John

Don Mattingly

Dale Murphy

 

I was amazed how hard it was to decide between the various outfielders - Dawson, Baines, Rice and Murphy. I think their overall values were very similar.

 

I think he should wear like, scrubs, or whatever you put a patient in when they go in for surgery. Because 99% of the references to him any more have to do with replacing parts of people's elbows.

 

 

Grade: A+

Voted 5. In order of most deserving:

 

Bert Blyleven

Tim Raines

Andre Dawson

Jim Rice

Harold Baines

 

I also almost voted for:

 

Tommy John

Don Mattingly

Dale Murphy

 

I was amazed how hard it was to decide between the various outfielders - Dawson, Baines, Rice and Murphy. I think their overall values were very similar.

 

You don't believe Jack Morris belongs? (You're not alone. A lot of people don't.)

I happen to, but I'm curious.

 

I don't think he belongs in the first ballot class but I think he belongs.

I thought Jim Rice was already in, same for Dave Parker.

You don't believe Jack Morris belongs? (You're not alone. A lot of people don't.)

I happen to, but I'm curious.

 

I don't think he belongs in the first ballot class but I think he belongs.

I think Morris is a bit below John. If I had to make a list, he's after those three "maybe" guys I listed.

 

OK, who voted for Shawon Dunston?

 

OK, who voted for Shawon Dunston?

 

I cannot fathom anyone voting for him.

 

Tommy John? NYY, no doubt. Most seasons, most wins, best seasons, you name it.

Lee Smith and Goose Gossage deserve some love. Recognize the closers!

 

I also put Blyleven and Tommy John down, along with Tim Raines.

Lee Smith and Goose Gossage deserve some love. Recognize the closers!

 

I also put Blyleven and Tommy John down, along with Tim Raines.

 

Plenty of great players on this list. All the pitchers you mention deserve. I never really thought of Raines as a HoF player, but now that you mention it, it wouldn't be the worse pick ever.

If Raines were playing today he'd be the best leadoff hitter in baseball. His numbers are just insane. Very high OBP, tons of SB, incredibly high SB% and a little pop. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter. I'd vote for him.

If Raines were playing today he'd be the best leadoff hitter in baseball. His numbers are just insane. Very high OBP, tons of SB, incredibly high SB% and a little pop. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter. I'd vote for him.

 

Playing in Montreal all of those years did more to kill his and Andre Dawson's chances at the HOF than anything. If they had played in even a mediocre US city, they would have been first ballot guys.

Playing in Montreal all of those years did more to kill his and Andre Dawson's chances at the HOF than anything. If they had played in even a mediocre US city, they would have been first ballot guys.

Playing in the shadow of Rickey hurts too... He's the second best leadoff-type guy in baseball history. It would be a crime not to include him in the hall because his numbers pale in comparison to one of the single best players in history... He's a HOFer.

We have a tie for 10th.

 

I'd like to see that broken before I do the second poll.

I've always been a Raines supporter. Kalapse pretty much gave his case.

 

I also voted for Blyleven and Gossage.

 

I don't get the love for Morris or John.