South Side Hit Men

Looks like a bad Summer in store on both sides of town, as both Chicago teams are now 9 games under .500. 2014 was the last season both teams finished under .500, both with a 73-89 .451 record. 1906 and 2008 were the only two seasons both Chicago teams finished their respective regular seasons in First Place. 1906 World Series: Chicago White Sox (93-58 .616) 4 over Chicago Cubs (116-36 .763) 2 2008 ALDS: Tampa Bay (97-65 .599) 3 over White Sox (89-74 .546) 1 NLDS: Los Angeles (84-78 .519) 3 over Cubs (97-64 .602) 0 Chicago Baseball 21 Futility Seasons: 2014: White Sox 73-89 .451; Cubs 73-89 .451 2013: Cubs 66-96 .407; White Sox 63-99 .389 2011: White Sox 79-83 .488; Cubs 71-91 .438 1999: White Sox 75-86 .466; Cubs 67-95 .414 1997: White Sox 80-81 .497; Cubs 68-94 .420 1988: Cubs 77-85 .475; White Sox 71-90 .441 1987: White Sox 77-85 .475; Cubs 76-85 .472 1986: White Sox 72-90 .444; Cubs 70-90 .438 1980: White Sox 70-90 .438; Cubs 64-98 .395 1979: Cubs 80-82 .494; White Sox 73-87 .456 1978: Cubs 79-83 .488; White Sox 71-90 .441 1976: Cubs 75-87 .463; White Sox 64-97 .398 1975: White Sox 75-86 .466; Cubs 75-87 .463 1973: Cubs 77-84 .478; White Sox 77-85 .475 1950: Cubs 64-89 .418; White Sox 60-94 .390 1949: White Sox 63-91 .409; Cubs 61-93 .396 1948: Cubs 64-90 .416; White Sox 51-101 .336 1947: White Sox 70-84 .455; Cubs 69-85 .448 1944: Cubs 75-79 .487; White Sox 71-83 .461 1942: White Sox 66-82 .446; Cubs 68-86 .442 1921: Cubs 64-89 .418; White Sox 62-92 .403 Seasons a Chicago Team finished with the worst record across The MLB: 2000: Cubs (tied with Philadelphia) 65-97 .401 1970: White Sox 56-106 .346 1966: Cubs 59-103 .364 1948: White Sox 51-101 .336 1931: White Sox 56-97 .366

Don't agree with the hot takes regarding "guarding the line". There were two outs, a single gives up a lead, an out ends the game. If there were less than two outs, I'd be with folks, because you don't want to give up a big inning. After 2 outs, you just want to end the inning.

Rick Hahn's upcoming Summer parade schedule: June 25 - Gay Pride (Broadway / Halsted) August 5 - India Independence Day (Devon) August 12 - Bud Billiken (Martin Luther King Jr) August 13 - Pakistan Independence Day (Devon) August 18 - Ecuadorian Parade (Montrose) September 9 - Von Steuben German Day Parade (Lincoln) September 9 - Mexican Independence Day Parade (19th Street) September 16 - Mexican Independence Day Parade (26th Street) September 17 - Mexican Patriotic Parade (Commercial Ave) September - Guatemalan Independence Parade (Montrose)

Yes, there are examples in and outside of baseball even more egregious than a lock Top 10 all time worst Jerry Reinsdorf. Would say John Fischer, James Dolan, Terry Pegula and Rocky Wirtz are in the current four scummiest owners. Today: MLB: Peter Angelos, Bob Castellini, John Fischer, Jerry Reinsdorf, John Stanton. NBA: James Dolan, Dan Gilbert NFL: Mike Bidwell, Mike Brown, Shelia Ford Hamp, Jimmy Haslam, Woody Johnson, McCaskey Family, Terry Pegula NHL: Terry Pegula, Rocky Wirtz Yesterday MLB: Jeff Loria, Marge Schott, Bud Selig, Wilpon Family NBA: Robert Sarver, Ted Stepien, Donald Sterling NFL: Al Davis, Bob Irsay, Art Modell, Jerry Richardson, Dan Snyder NHL: Harold Ballard, Bill Wirtz.

They planned for this with the ten years of deferred payments. Jerry is like “If I die, someone else pays.” Same with the backloaded Benintendi deals which handcuff a future FO. If I’m Jerry, I’d command Hahn to throw in what needs to go to the Dodgers to have them eat Benintendi, Moncada, Jimenez deals in their entirety. Give Hahn a $50M-$60M annual player budget, collect MLB $100M + TV and Welfare checks every year and pocket the difference. There is absolutely zero difference in on field results, whether Rick Hahn is tanking or trying. Give a new owner and FO a clean slate to build a legitimate MLB franchise for the first time since Larry Himes was shitcanned for the first of three Jerry Lackeys.

Fell asleep early in the game and just woke up now and watched the highlights. My eyes hurt with those fucking 1983 uniforms. Bullpen looks deflated after losing Liam the past two days. Elvis is worse than Seby batting. I don’t see why the Sox not sit Moncada vs. LH starters, Burger playing really helps. That is if an IL stint can’t cure Yoan’s back issues. Im sitting out the Dodgers series between scumbag Stan Kasten and his repulsive bigotry, with a Clevinger start mixed in. I am happy for Kim Ng. Miami has really improved after the Yankees braintrust of Mattingly and Jeter were flushed down the toilet. Should give hope to Sox fans the same can happen here once Jerry’s in a box and the FO is fumigated. Miami: $92M (23rd) 37-29 White Sox: $181M (13th) 29-38

In 2023, anything is possible.

A ball away from an immaculate inning.

I'd platoon Burger with Moncada at 3B vs. LHP until Moncada can show life against LH relievers and when it appears he is actually healthy. Grandal can DH with Eloy dead again and Sheets unplayable vs. LHP.

Most people who read my posts know I am critical when warranted. Most also enjoy celebrating when the occasion arises. Again, most of your drivel are points against topics I did not raise in my posts, and are not Germaine about my posts or the posts I addressed. Best to utilize the ignore function for the first time since I ignored a Mod after I first joined.

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Carlos’ projections are for 111 Games played, so ZIPS more relevant for established players, less or not relevant beyond theoretical contributions for AAA prospects or year long reserve players. Smart teams don’t burn money on the bullpen. I believe the Sox are top 3 this year in bullpen spending, including DFA Diekman.

The White Sox are 125 games under .500 during the Hahn Era, which will continue in some capacity as long as Jerry does. The White Sox are in danger of dropping below .500 (currently 94 games over .500) if Jerry lives into the 2030s. Cell Jerry Cell!!! MLB All Time Standings: (Place in standings among the Original 16 MLB Franchises in 1901) 9. .503 Atlanta +119 (9) 10. .503 Detroit + 95 (10) 11. .502 Chicago A. L. + 94 (11) 12. .501 Houston +20 13. .501 Pittsburgh +43 (12) 14. .498 Toronto -23 15. .498 Los Angeles A. L. -38 16. .488 Tampa Bay -85 17. .487 Oakland -478 (13) 22. .481 Minnesota -709 (14) 26. .473 Baltimore -1,008 (15) 27. .473 Philadelphia -1,167 (16)

For Colas, the power at his age is not as important as the pitch recognition and having quality ML at bats. Can he make the adjustments to ML pitching and lay off the down and away pitches that he flailed at and struck out constantly? Then, can he adjust again when pitchers change their approach again? Also, Colas should be a much better fielder than what he showed in April. If he can have a .700 OPS with average defense the final four months, and improve his walk and K rates, this would be a big help to the team and his development. Colas needs to play everyday vs. RHS if he is promoted, with selective games vs. LHS.

Yep. Heck of a job Hahny. Actual vs. Expected (40% (65/162 through Friday) of "3 Year Projections 2023 ZIPS Projection"): (fWAR first; ZIPS Projections listed second). Players with a 0.0 or negative projected ZIPS and players DFA'd are excluded. No Salary indicates $720K-$760K 2023 salary. 0.9 Luis Robert (2.3; 1.4) $9.5M 0.8 Jake Burger (1.1; 0.3) 0.4 Joe Kelly (0.5; 0.1) $9.0M 0.2 Aaron Bummer (0.4; 0.2) $3.8M 0.1 Mike Clevinger (0.5; 0.4) $12.0M 0.0 Kendall Graveman (0.2; 0.2) $8.0M -0.1 Lucas Giolito (1.0; 1.1) $10.4M -0.2 Jessie Scholtens (0.1; 0.3) -0.2 Tanner Banks (0.0; 0.2) -0.3 Gavin Sheets (0.0; 0.3) -0.3 Garrett Crochet (-0.2; 0.1) -0.4 Dylan Cease (1.0; 1.4) $5.7M -0.4 Michael Kopech (0.1; 0.5) $2.0M -0.4 Seby Zavala (0.0; 0.4) -0.5 Eloy Jimenez (0.2; 0.7) $10.3M -0.5 Romy Gonzalez (-0.1; 0.4) -0.5 Adam Haseley (-0.1; 0.4) -0.5 Liam Hendriks (-0.1; 0.4) $14.3M -0.6 Lance Lynn (0.2; 0.8) $19.5M -0.7 Elvis Andrus (-0.1; 0.6) $3.0M -0.7 Reynaldo Lopez (-0.1; 0.6) $3.6M -0.8 Yoan Moncada (0.4; 1.2) $17.8M -0.8 Andrew Benintendi (0.4; 1.2) $8.6M -0.8 Tim Anderson (0.2; 1.0) $13.5M -0.9 Yasmani Grandal (0.5; 1.4) $18.3M -0.9 Carlos Perez (-0.1; 0.8) -1.0 Andrew Vaughn (0.1; 1.1) -1.0 Lenyn Sosa (-0.4; 0.6) -1.0 Oscar Colas (-0.5; 0.5)

The Sox actually have a losing record when Eloy plays and a winning record when he does not during his career. The Sox winning percentage is 84 points higher without Eloy in 2023, and 31 points higher throughout his time with the White Sox. #DefenseMatters White Sox Results When Eloy Plays: .492 175-181 2019: .426 52-70 2020: .618 34-21 2021: .564 31-24 2022: .512 43-41 2023: .400 14-21 Postseason: .200 1-4 (Game 3 2020 & All Four Games in 2021) White Sox Results When Eloy Does Not Play: .523 137-125 2019: .513 20-19 (72-89) 2020: .200 1-4 (35-25) 2021: .579 62-45 (93-69) 2022: .487 38-40 (81-81) 2023: .484 15-16 (29-37) Postseason: .500 1-1 (2020 Games 1 & 2)

Both of the posts I addressed in this thread were ludicrous. I pointed out he went 2 for 5 and added Grifol's quote about Tim's outstanding defensive play. My post is accurate. First of all, Tim was credited with zero errors last night. The entire team had a nine game errorless streak through last night. Your post has more errors than Tim or the entire team from May 30th through this walk-off winner game. My other point is winning game threads should be a positive posting experience. Recapping the joy of watching or listening to a White Sox victory. That is why most of us are here. Here is a list of your entire first win thread posts for their fun 6-1 stretch, including a series win in New York: 6/9 White Sox 2 Miami 1: "Anytime the offense wants to show up and make things easier for the pitchers is fine by me." 6/8 White Sox 6 New York A. L. 5: Did not post. 6/7 White Sox 3 New York A. L. 2: "Offense is still horrible. Giving the pitching staff little to no room for error." 6/4 White Sox 6 Detroit 2: "They have some momentum going into New York. We'll see what happens, even with all their injuries the Yankees are still damn good. " 6/3 White Sox 2 Detroit 1: "This offense is terrible, just plain brutal." 6/2 White Sox 3 Detroit 0: "You can in the sense that they were held hitless by a rookie pitcher making his big league debut. Who wasn't lightening up the minor leagues." The 6/4 game was the one where you had a semblance of positive comments in a win celebration thread. This is what I am getting at. Most Sox fans like to celebrate and post in a victory / win thread their enjoyment of the White Sox victory they just watched, listened to or followed online. Most here were appreciative of their efforts and genuinely happy. Also, I try to celebrate the careers of White Sox who played well throughout their careers. Rather than hate and trash their best players, if the only time you enjoy the all time greats in White Sox history or reminiscing abut something that happened decades, a half century or further back, than it's not a rewarding fan experience. White Sox Shortstop fWAR per season career leaders - Legitimate MLB seasons (1947-2023), minimum 5 White Sox Seasons & 5 total fWAR: 3.4 Jose Valentin (17.3 fWAR / 5.0 White Sox Seasons) 3.2 Luis Aparicio (32 / 10.0) 3.0 Tim Anderson (19.4 / 6.4) 2.9 Ron Hansen (18.4 / 6.3) 2.8 Chico Carrasquel (16.8 / 6.0) 2.5 Alexei Ramirez (19.6 / 8.0) 1.6 Jose Uribe (7.8 / 5.0) 1.5 Craig Grebeck (8.3 / 5.6) 1.5 Scott Fletcher (8.0 / 5.4) 1.0 Ozzie Guillen (12.5 / 12.6) White Sox Third Base fWAR per season career leaders - Legitimate MLB seasons (1947-2023), minimum 5 White Sox Seasons & 5 total fWAR: 4.5 Robin Ventura (39.2 / 8.7) 3.0 Pete Ward (20.7 / 7.0) 2.8 Bill Melton (19.8 / 7.2) 2.7 Yoan Moncada (14.9 / 5.2) 1.7 Joe Crede (11.3 / 6.5) 1.5 Floyd Baker (7.5 / 5.0) Pro-rated seasons: Full season for each year in the major leagues. Pro-rated for 2023 (0.4), 2020 (0.4), 1995 (0.9), 1994 (0.7), 1981 (0.6). Also pro-rated for initial / final season when a player was called up, traded for/to, or released. fWAR includes all White Sox fWAR, even if earned at other positions.

Tim fucked up, but Joe Kelly's four baserunners and a lack of offense beyond Vaughn's home run cost them the game.

Wow, glad that one worked out. Nice catch.

These takes are sad, though consistent with your MO over the decades here and WSI. Tim has played well the past month after recovering from injury, and well to excellent throughout his White Sox career.

2 for 5.

Sox are in a pickle tomorrow, because Eloy is still dead and they won't IL him, and Sheets cannot play because .375 OPS vs. LHP. Probably wise to sit Moncada to rest so he can play all three in LA, and because he doesn't look healthy batting RH. Perhaps he can be inserted late for defense or to hit vs. RH if the game is close. OPS vs. LH 2023 SS Anderson (.872) LF Benintendi (.751) L CF Robert Jr. (1.201) 3B Burger (1.008) 1B Vaughn (.771) DH Grandal (.723) S RF Frazier (.670) C Zavala (.536) 2B Gonzalez (.500) Reserves: Andrus (.423); Moncada (.604); Sheets (.000). Dead: Eloy (XXX)