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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2016 -> 04:13 AM) This will be the 4th loss on Albers, I think all of them since the Orioles' series. Is baseball the only sport you can go from a potential all-star to a total bum in the span of a couple weeks? Right now he needs to be released or go on the DL a month after being dominant for a month. That one year Humber pitched a no hitter I believe and ended up getting released that season.

Well that was unpleasant. Only one thing you were sure of. No way in hell were Navarro and Avi and Rollins getting a hit off Davis. That was three guys ridiculously overmatched.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 27, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) I actually get frustrated trying to explain this to my wife. When things dont go her/our way she tends to let it affect her more than it should. She is not alone but I tend to still be happy during these times and she mistakenly recognizes it as if I dont care. I just know that the truly important things are all good so I am going to still be happy. Thanks for the kind thoughts all. Shipps I do think we have to daily remind our significant others to not sweat the little stuff and even tell them stories like the one I reported here. You just have to realize how fortunate you are. I mean we all think we are so busy, which we are. But in a minute, you get cancer and your daughter catches some stomach ailment and next thing you know she'll never function as an adult again ... now you have problems. It's so sad. I don't understand. I told my friend that I realize she wasn't given cancer to be an example to others, but I do "use" her as a reminder that things I consider hassles are not real problems. SHE has real problems. We know each other well so she understood what I was trying to say. Now with this happening to her daughter, there are no words. It's too horrifying to consider saying anything like that. Not that the cancer isn't horrifying enough.

QUOTE (South Sider @ May 27, 2016 -> 04:37 PM) I am one of those kids who are still stuck at home. I suppose that first I'll explain how my individual situation went down, and then explain why I believe this is occurring and what my final thoughts are on the subject from my millenial point-of-view. My parents split up while I was in middle school. After high school, I could live with my mom rent-free if I went to college. If not, I had to pay some kind of rent. I was pretty much an idiot at those times, and didn't care a lick for school so I dropped out of community college. My father was going through some rough times. I won't go into details but I was able to live there rent-free until I was 20, which I'm sure my mom wasn't very pleased with. Luckily for me I didn't blow off all of high school; only most of it. I had two internships and had classes that built computer repair and networking skills. The second internship turned into a full time job for a little bit after high school until the owner sold the company. I was able to keep my job for awhile, but the writing was on the wall. Around the age of 19, I was laid off. Without a job to speak of, I was pretty much lost into my 20th year. My buddy who was also laid off ended up moving back with his folks a few states away and landed a similar job. He told me they had room for another technician, and I was ready for a change of scenery so I got out on my own! Things were good. Business was booming and after a short adjustment phase at my buddies folks house, we rented a house with our boss and his new wife. This lasted for about a year until things deteriorated rapidly and we had to move back into my buddies parents house. I lived there longer than I had liked, but the job was going south as well and income was becoming tighter and tighter. The hope was to get an apartment, but when I realized the job wasn't going anywhere, I decided to move back to Illinois. Shortly after moving back I landed a retail job with a lot of promise. I started getting full time hours and consistent pay checks so I worked out a rent agreement with my father. This is the point where I could have moved out. I could have paid a bunch more in rent and lived paycheck to paycheck. I could have moved into a big rented party animal house down the street and hated every sober moment of it. But my father had an unused room. I buy my own food. I contribute to household chores and tasks. Finally, I suspect my father would be lonely without me around. The big plus is that I was able to save some money. About a year ago, I started gunning for a managerial position at my job. It would change everything. I would be making considerably more money, and definitely be able to afford an apartment without having to resort to incredible frugality. I'll be honest. I don't indulge myself a lot with material items, but I also want to be able to enjoy some of the money that I slave for. Trips to places like Cedar Point with my girlfriend and visits to my mother (who now lives in Arizona). Nice dinner dates every now and then, Sox games, craft beer, steaks etc. However, I had a realization about the managerial position that completely changed my plan. The first is that the managers in a store work hours that are incredibly demanding physically and mentally. If you've heard of a waterfall schedule, it's kind of like that. An example would be: Tuesday 1PM-11PM Wednesday Noon-10PM Thursday 8AM-6PM Friday 6AM-4PM Saturday 5AM-3PM Sunday Monday Off There are some areas of this schedule that are less than ideal for families, and I am a firm believer that your family is the #1 thing in your life, not work. I don't want my relationship with my girlfriend or my future kids to suffer because I work such a demanding schedule. The second realization was that to become a store manager (the head honcho of the store, who makes much more money and can work whatever schedule they like so long as it is 50 hours per week) was close to an insurmountable task for most managers. The first problem is that almost every manager wants to be a store manager. Competition is all well and good here, but the second problem is that there are simply not enough locations in this company. They only open a couple of locations a year, and it's not like current store managers are in a hurry to retire. I've seen firsthand many amazing regular managers toiling away for 10+ years hoping that their name would be called soon for store manager. However, only one location opened in this region alone last year with none that I know of set to open this year. I realized I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to toil away for 10+ years working my ass off, and I didn't want to put my girlfriend (fiance soon) and future kids through that. Call me a lazy millenial if you wish, but I simply do not view it that way. My girlfriend is finishing up her bachelors and is in the process of deciding whether or not to go for a masters. She will be working some kind of 9-5 job Monday through Friday. My weird managerial schedule just would not jive with hers. So I made the decision to go back to school and continue working part-time at my retail job. I wish I had decided to go back to school earlier; I am 28 years old now. It is what it is, though. The retail job for store employees is actually fantastic. In 5 years I went from $10.50/hour to $17.35/hour. They offer retirement packages so I opted into one awhile ago and have been building it up. These benefits kept me chugging along as a store employee without giving a thought to schooling. Boredom has started to creep in, though, as well as a revitalized urge to continue bettering myself. With some of my savings, I am able to finance my schooling at community college for the time being. Subsidized loans and the American Opportunity Tax Credit help immensly. I also hope to qualify for a Pell Grant next year. I still live at my dads, and I wanted it to be clear and okay with him that while I am going back to school, I will be working less (which should help me qualify for a Pell Grant). We arranged a new rent agreement, and he supports me in my quest for an education. It is certain that after I get my bachelors or maybe even my associates that I will be moving out and getting a place with my girlfriend, and finally stop bothering my father by living with him for so long. Greg, I heard that statistic that you mentioned as well on a newsflash from WDCB 90.9. Despite who or what you may listen to, the statistic is real. I think that a lot of parents are recognizing that the economic landscape of today is not as good as when they were our age, so they give their young adults more leash. Both of my parents never completed college and they were able to buy a house and other nice things. This is just not possible today. In my composition class, I wrote a paper about how I believe many Americans are overworked and in my paper I discuss how the cost of living has risen, productivity has risen and at the same time wages have remained relatively stagnant. At the same time, the rich keep getting richer and wealth inequality continues to worsen, which is another contributing factor. There's a lot of good information here if you care to look: http://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/ If anyone is interested in reading my paper, I'm rather proud of it and would love to share it with you. Just send me a PM and I'll e-mail you a copy. I can't speak for all millenials, just myself, but I am not going to perpetuate society down that path. I place real value on my free time and I will fight for a society that accepts free time as part of our culture. I surmise that a lot of what is perceived to be "lazy millenials", like those who expect inflated vacation time simply have a different way of viewing life in general, perhaps similar to mine. For sure, as things are now, employers now who are old school are going to hire those who don't want vacation time or inflated free time. That's just how it is right now. If I am correct, and many millenials view things as I do, then eventually society will shift as the millenials become the dominant generation. I think this is a really good thing as I believe that America is trending towards being overworked. Somethings going to have to give, and if it is a generation that all the super hard workers view as lazy, entitled brats that shifts America from overworking themselves to something better for future generations, then I think that is great. I don't want my children to grow up in a country where it is expected to basically live to work. I want them to be able to work hard, get what they deserve for it, and also have enough time for their families and to grow themselves individually. I appreciate this post and your heartfelt commentary. I do have a question. You are right about Millenials wanting to balance work life and home life and they don't want to work 60-70-80 hours a week like we do. My question is ... how do you handle this now? It's going to be a while before Millenials are in charge of all the companies and can make sure their employees have a lot of free time/vacation time. How do you survive in the interim. I hear law offices are making the Millenials work just as much as the older folks are used to. Are Millenials quitting their jobs once they realize the jobs control their lives completely? This mixing and matching of generations would appear to hurt the Millenials because they will quit or be fired when the old codgers put amzing demands on their time.

If you are mad that you are stuck in traffic ... or have to spend the weekend helping your sister move to a new apartment or have to cut the grass or have to go to some neighborhood block party you don't want to go to ... or have to take your wife to some wedding where you'll know nobody and don't want to go ... please consider the case of my good friend in suburbia and realize the small stuff should not be sweat. I'll make it quick. ... A good friend of mine has been battling breast cancer for more than a year. Complications galore. Not an early stage cancer. Radiation f***ed her up pretty badly causing nerve damage that may be irreversable. Chemo hit her hard. Once she gets done with chemo in July will need to rest up for 2 surgeries this fall or winter. If all goes well she will finally be free of cancer and on the mend after a year and a half of living hell with her only physical concern how to deal with the nerve damage/horrible pain. This person who has 2 adult kids living with her (not to help her necessarily, but her to help them have a place to live as in the thread I started before) and one high schooler last week found her perfectly healthy 26 year old daughter seizing and unconscious at her apartment after she went over to check on her. She had epilepsy as a teen but medications were controlling it. An ambulance took her to hospital where she had to go to ICU. She has irreversable brain damage and right now is functioning as a 6 year old. Prognosis is she may get "a little" bit of her short and long term memory back after intense and incredible rehab, etc. Remember, this young bright 26 year old paralegal was functioning normally one week ago and now her life is at best as a severely disabled person. My friend said she "feels as if she is going through the motions of living" and is "devastated" and "paralyzed with fear but trying to act positive on the outside." Daughter is to move into her house tomorrow. I remain a believer in God but do not understand why this has been placed on her and her daughter. Perfectly normal healthy daughter one day ... BOOM. My question to you is ... what the hell do you say to your friend? I told her no words could describe how I feel and asked her to stay strong please. Try to remember the real life struggles people are going through if you are the type to freak out about/be concerned with little things like I am. The old saying is true. If you have your health and a roof over your head and your loved ones are healthy and happy that is all that matters. DONT SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF PLEASE. If this thread bores you merge it into some other file or kill it. I don't mean to bore or be controversial.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ May 27, 2016 -> 04:56 AM) This is definitely an interesting thread. Thanks. Somebody was accusing Greg of trolling. Just discussing stuff here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) If they really are that bad, who made them that way? I thought I made it clear I blame parents. My "participation trophy" rambles are directed at parents. I also despise parents who storm in to see teachers to complain about Johnny's grades. Now if you want to know what Johnny can do to avoid getting a C- or D in the future, fine, but don't blame the teacher if Johnny sucks at Math or can't write a sentence please. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 27, 2016 -> 01:21 AM) Don't you listen to right wing talk radio like Limbaugh? Not exactly a reliable source of accurate information. And Meghan McCain. I'd watch the cable TV shows but they anger me with what I perceive as bias. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 27, 2016 -> 04:07 AM) I never said I was anything special. I get tired of the loudest voices coming from those who expect to have things handed to them. I don't think studying for interviews is a unique or novel idea. I feel like it's a requirement. I am shocked at how many people don't do that. My point also remains that these kids just keep staying in college longer with no real purpose and act like the people graduating the last 15 years didn't also have student loan debt. It's very confusing. Kids that go to college 6 1/2 to 7 years for a degree in English or History or other liberal arts should be criticized fully. Get it done in 4 to 4.5 especially if daddy is paying.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2016 -> 11:32 PM) https://internationalschoolsreviewdiscuss.w...teven-e-hudson/ Thought Greg would enjoy this one, although it's on "entitled" students from all around the world, moreso than Americans. The problem is everywhere, not just the US. I think it's fair to say the default belief from most American parents is that they would like to pay for at least half...and maybe they believe that summer jobs and part-time work (weekends, mostly) will meet that gap, along with student loans to supplement. I'm kind of in the middle of this. Pretty spoiled only child, my two best friends went to Northwestern and I went to Iowa because 1) I was studying English/History/Political Science and 2) I thought I was doing my parents a favor saving them money and didn't feel justified spending the money it took for a school like NU or ND. After my father died and I realized that it wouldn't have been unreasonable financially, I still felt it was the right decision, because I never had any student debts and have been a teacher/non-profit worker for most of my life now, so why burden myself or family with debt that's harder to pay off at a lower salary? I do think that when you don't have to work (except for summertime in university) at all in fast food or retail, you miss out on an important (and humbling experience). Being allowed to travel, to play sports year-round, I just assumed it was that way for all kids...but I was actually very privileged to have all those opportunities in life and appreciate them more now than I did back then. And having the financial ability to help, it seems cruel not to do so...at least 50%. Don't have to worry about it now, though, as son is only 15 months old. (For now, the biggest debate is how long to stay in China and improve his Chinese/math/science skills vs. the allure of free and high-level education back in the US in Iowa). Thanks, great article. I can only imagine what grade school teachers go through if they are "hard graders."

That storm that passed through Lawrence to the west of Kauffman was mighty bad and scary. Still got a lot of lightning going on. NCAA track meet is here and they are f***ed considering it's supposed to keep storming 4-5 days. These pop up storms are nasty.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 26, 2016 -> 11:59 PM) They are the defending champs. If I were them, with the goodwill of a world series, I'd be potentially buying. No one is running away with this division. Good god...sell off cause of some injuries. I agree. Really all they need is a Shields/Cueto type of No. 1 guy they can trade for at the break. The bullpen thing they have going is still good as long as they get the good Soria, not the bad one. That potentially will keep them mediocre. Soria can screw up their whole bullpen thing.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 26, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) I went to a pretty wealthy high school(shut up Brian) and almost none of the people I knew had their college paid for by their parents and this was a decade ago. That shocks me. Mom and dad just sent you packing to a good college and said, "Deal with the costs?" For me, growing up in Chicago, later suburbia, any of my friends whose parents had a lot of cold, hard, cash definitely paid for their kids' college. In my case I had summer jobs and stuff and paid for all my incidentals, but yes I was spoiled by daddy in that regard. Free room, board, tuition, books and even made sure I had some money in the bank.Like chisox said I think he felt it was his responsibility to get me through and yes hoped I could pass it down. Now being a successful businessman and kind of a mean guy, not a patsy, he monitored what was going on with my grades, etc. And he made it clear no five year plan for me. Four years baby. I think as long as he felt he wasn't taken advantage of, five, six year plan, he'd dish out the costs of college.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) greg with yet another silly troll post... Parents paying for college? Some sure but it's getting too expensive even for them! I hear stuff on the radio (haven't watched much TV the last year or so except sports) in the car and it intrigues me. Heard the item about all those kids living at home and it strikes me as very interesting. So I post bout it. It's life, not trolling.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) Greg - Who is getting taken advantage of. All of these parents who are allowing it to happen, have control, and they are allowing it to happen. This isn't them doing it against their will. Maybe some of them are upset, but lets face the realities of today's environment. Be realistic. Everyone always wants to blame everyone else or feel better about what they've done vs. recognizing that things can be different and that is okay (and not a negative against new generations). What young people today can accomplish can be pretty incredible given technological advances, etc. How many 20 year old were bagillionaires back in the 50's or 70's or even 80's? Think of the Zuckerberg's and whomever else who are self made trillionaires at such incredibly young ages. The ability to invent and come up with revolutionary technology or processes (Airbnb / Uber), etc, is incredible. Oh and a degree isn't a differentiator in today's day and age, it is a necessity and a bare minimum. People need to figure that out first and foremost, it is the equivalent of what a high school degree was when you graduated. So for you, having a college degree differentiated you....it doesn't differentiate the typical college grad today. I am near certain that overall employment rates for college grades are probably far lower now than they were back when there were fewer college grads, etc. Bottom line, I actually think it is worse for the people who just want to spend time belitting everyone else (which is just an indirect way of telling everyone how amazing they are) should do a 180 and take an ego check. You think a lot of these people don't want to live on their own and be independent. It is there own ego check given the state of the economy and the difference in value of a college education today vs. a generation or two generations ago (along with the fact that the inflation adjusted costs differ greatly as well). Great post. I shouldn't have assumed they are all lazy bums who don't want to be independent. I think Steve's post got me headed more in that direction. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) Well Greg...I think it is my responsibility to save up and get them through college. And didn't your dad think it was important to as well (certainly seems like it). So yes, when I had kids, I thought it was part of my responsibility to do everything I could to best prepare them for life and in my opinion exiting school with a giant pile of debt is something I'd like to be able to prevent my kids from having (and I'd like them to pass it on to future generations of "Chisoxfn's"). I can recognize the difficulties in life and try to best position them so that they can have a head start. I certainly don't want to raise my kids, not share my perspectives with them, and just go spend all the money on myself and say f*** it, you deal with this s***? And I'd think it would be pretty rotten, if you took a similar treatment with your own kids (given that your dad did all that for you). Wouldn't you like to pass it forward. Isn't part of the goal of any parent to try and put the next generation in a better spot than where you are (who wants worse for their kids). Now their are absolutely different ways of going about it. Please note, nowhere did I say shower them with fancy cars, buy them fancy apartments, etc., but the facts are the facts, and I'd like to give them head starts that I think would put them in a far better position to be financially independent (life isn't easy so if I can do things to increase probabilities of long-term success for my kids, I'll do all I can...send them to good schools, have them partake in activities, etc, actually be there for them and teach them lessons and talk to them and listen to them). I have no idea what I'll get myself into and no idea what my kids will ultimately turn into, but I'll do what I do out of love for them and my wanting them to be in a position to where they succeed in life. Note: Again, this isn't talking about buying them fancy things or ignoring their responsibility. I'm a huge believer in independence and them learning their own lessons and working and going through all those aspects because it makes them stronger. And yes, I actually do think their are extremely valid arguments to be made for why education should extend to a higher level now (I don't know how to pay for it, but given that college is the new norm and given the skillsets we expect out of our economy, I do think there are real reasons to say after high school you go to a trade school or you go to college and at least to some extend their are ways to make it more inclusive / part of our education program or better incentivized). This of course is all presuming I can afford it and doing what I can (I'm not going to travel the world and give my kids the short end of the stick...but if all I can do was put food on the table than well, that is all I can do). Oh and of course I'd be pushing state tuition, etc. Yes sir. Great post.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Why do you think this is true? Because it's not. I know a lot of a.) rich kids. Parents are paying and buying them cars and luxury apartments. Basically rich kid syndrome. B.) I know some dads and moms who considered it part of their duty as parents to pay for their kids' education. If they were gonna bring 'em into the world, they'd save up and get them through college. A lot also are prepared to pay for their daughter's wedding, too, per the old tradition of doing that.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) The people that tend to scream at how hard they work tend to be those incredibly out of touch with the efforts of those around them. Not surprised you are drawn to that. I didn't think Steve was bragging; he was uh, responding to a thread on a message board. I don't think he's out of touch either. He hired the 6 prepared Millenials, not the ones who came in unprepared and overwhelmed. QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) And I do realize that my situation was unique. I paid off my college loans within 2 years, mostly because I worked my ass off every summer, every break and 2 nights a week in a factory to cover school costs NOT covered by my small scholarship. I was able to live at home, albeit paying rent, for about 9 months before I got a real job, and mover out a month after that. i realize not everyone could find and work a job like I did to pay for school. Doesn't mean they can't work at McDonalds or Kohls. Hmmm .. Hard work, sweat, working one's "ass off during summers" seems to still pay off. Alpha Dog worked hard and paid rent to mom and pops. Good for you, Dog. QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) Alpha - cost of education is significantly higher now than it was even a decade ago. When I was in law school (and tuition was a lot less than it is now), I worked at law firms in Champaign during the school year (and in the summer), had a scholarship that covered half my tuition, lived in crappy houses with a bunch of other dudes paying minimal rent, and still exited school with an amount of debt that I will call a "crapload." I was fortunate enough to not have any undergrad debt, but my law school debt is basically a second mortgage, and it's a second mortgage because of the astronomic cost of education - an issue that my parent's generation didn't have to deal with... Fair post. Good post. Kids are facing higher costs, but a lot of mamas and daddys are paying for college. They have to. They've raised their toddlers in such a safe, entitled (hey look at my kids, world, they won this trophy!) environment they have to make sure they go to college. Make sure they stay on the right course of being perfect little boys and girls. I thank my dad for paying for my college. I am privileged and fortunate in that regard. Think of all he saved me, the worry and stress and hardship trying to pay my own way. In that regard I am a spoiled brat, too. But he would have stopped dishing me money once I got my degree. He wasn't going to get taken advantage of, which I think is what is happening in many cases. It's pretty easy to go back home to live while waiting for some employer to see your resume online and decide you are so special the company has to have you, instead of busting your ass like Steve and Alpha to get your first job and 'work' your way up the ladder.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) So you're telling me you don't agree that the Sox underachieved in 2011 despite spending a ton of money and that Ozzie didn't already have the Miami job lined up before the 2011 season was over? I can't take the bait for my sanity and the board's. Check the old threads. I worship Ozzie. Then and now.

QUOTE (Dunt @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) There is no excuse for not taking 3 of 4 this series against a team missing Moose and Gordon. Are u serious. KC will smoke us 3 minimum; we got to try to avoid sweep. Weather is horrendous as we speak. Damn this state can be scary: wind, tornadoes, hail, total rain during rush hour.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 26, 2016 -> 08:11 PM) I moved out at 19. I'm kinda tired of hearing about the crippling debt of college. The big issue here is that all these kids are staying past 4 years. All four of my cousins are in their 5th to 7th year of college, and they aren't becoming f***ing doctors or lawyers. Two of them are doing political science and the other psychology. The student loans are paid off rather easily by making the minimum payment - I paid mine off last year. The rates are low. These same idiots complaining about their student loans are the ones who just had to get a shiny new car, too, and then they struggle. Shocker. Also, I don't think finding a job today is any easier or harder than it was in 2006 when I went out after it. This isn't 2009 and 2010. I worked an unpaid internship (with the Blackhawks) that opened doors to get interviews, in my eyes. Then I applied for like 200 suburban entry level marketing jobs and studied my ass off and prepared like no other for said interviews so I could get a job. I took the time to know about the company, what they wanted, prepare custom presentations given on a laptop, just to blow them away. And I still got rejected for a bunch because it WAS F*CKING COMPETITIVE THEN, TOO. I wound up taking an entry level job as a marketing coordinator at a f***ing stenography company. Your first job out of college is never going to be your dream job. These kids these days (and trust me, I interview plenty of them) show up for interviews and have no idea what the hell they're even doing there. It's a sense of entitlement that f***s them, and those clowns don't deserve the jobs they're going after. Then they complain about not being able to get a job, live with their parents forever, age themselves out of the jobs they should have gotten years ago, and then cry that Bernie Sanders isn't going to be president. Lazy little b****es. All of them. I have 6 millennials working in my department from tons interviewed. These were the few that actually did what I did and prepared, and they got the jobs. I really appreciate this post. Makes me think times haven't changed that much. Those who go after it with great zeal and energy and belief, ones who don't even consider relying on mommy and daddy for help, well they make it. You could go out and give speeches I'm sure. You are an achiever; not a blind dreamer in winning the lottery or hoping somebody will see your resume online and give you a call because you are a special kid. Just wanted to say congratulations on your life so far. I like your attitude.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 26, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) I work harder than everyone else so everyone else should be PUNISHED! Everyone else probably had it EASY to get where they were, unlike me. The person that wrote that on here did work harder than everybody else. And he hired six millenials who were prepared for their interviews and also WORKED HARD. Maybe the participation trophies aren't so smart after all. Why write a post like this? If you work hard you SHOULD be rewarded more than those freeloading.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ May 26, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) However, I have no issue with kids who want to move home and save money. One of my good buddies at work lived with his parents that first year, and he saved a boat load of money because of it. Yeah but my thread was about the parents. Not many on here are thinking maybe ol mom and pop want a break from the $$$ it takes to raise kids and Johnny and Julie are letting them down moving in. QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ May 26, 2016 -> 06:15 PM) Most of the twenty-somethings I know who live with their parents get defensive when someone brings this up. They WANT to have a job where they can afford their own car, their own place, and so on, they're trying to, but they can't. They're all either in college (because they're working while taking classes) or college graduates and they're trying not to be bitter about it, but they're tired of older generations s***ting on them all the time, too. Honestly though can you blame them? Their whole lives they were told "work hard in school so you can go to college and you'll find a job" cuz that's how it was for Boomers and Gen X. But it's not. Why listen to them anyway? Hmmmm. This is an interesting post. They are wasting some time whining? My point is my dad made it clear me moving back home was not moving back home. I think I even kept a lot of my stuff in the car. I basically was there for a month while putting all my efforts into using my degree and finding my first job. With the expectation, "you are not moving back in here" I got my butt in gear and found a job and moved out within a month. I never really moved back in. Once you get that first job and apartment then you can reassess what's going on and try to improve. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 26, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) I moved out at 19. I'm kinda tired of hearing about the crippling debt of college. The big issue here is that all these kids are staying past 4 years. All four of my cousins are in their 5th to 7th year of college, and they aren't becoming f***ing doctors or lawyers. Two of them are doing political science and the other psychology. The student loans are paid off rather easily by making the minimum payment - I paid mine off last year. The rates are low. These same idiots complaining about their student loans are the ones who just had to get a shiny new car, too, and then they struggle. Shocker. Also, I don't think finding a job today is any easier or harder than it was in 2006 when I went out after it. This isn't 2009 and 2010. I worked an unpaid internship (with the Blackhawks) that opened doors to get interviews, in my eyes. Then I applied for like 200 suburban entry level marketing jobs and studied my ass off and prepared like no other for said interviews so I could get a job. I took the time to know about the company, what they wanted, prepare custom presentations given on a laptop, just to blow them away. And I still got rejected for a bunch because it WAS F*CKING COMPETITIVE THEN, TOO. I wound up taking an entry level job as a marketing coordinator at a f***ing stenography company. Your first job out of college is never going to be your dream job. These kids these days (and trust me, I interview plenty of them) show up for interviews and have no idea what the hell they're even doing there. It's a sense of entitlement that f***s them, and those clowns don't deserve the jobs they're going after. Then they complain about not being able to get a job, live with their parents forever, age themselves out of the jobs they should have gotten years ago, and then cry that Bernie Sanders isn't going to be president. Lazy little b****es. All of them. I have 6 millennials working in my department from tons interviewed. These were the few that actually did what I did and prepared, and they got the jobs. This is an interesting post. This one mentions the sense of entitlement I was talking about with the participation trophies. Some parents get what they deserve though. If you raise Johnny and Julie to be "special" and get everything they want at all times, don't push them to be winners you might wind up with kids that want to live with you until they are 40. I did notice a lot of the posters were saying, "I know guys and girls who lived at home in their 20s and they liked it. They saved money. It was good for them." Again ... what about the parents? I could see some parents supporting their kids their entire lives as long as they stay single.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 26, 2016 -> 07:28 AM) Ozzie didn't get fired because of what he said. He got fired because of what he did. Which is underachieve in 2011 and walk out on the club before the season was even over. I won't comment on what you said because my opinions are well known on the matter and my love of Ozzie got me suspended before because of my behavior in threads about Ozzie. Let's just say I disagree.

One of my good friends has a son who just finished college. He has no job offers yet and wants to take his time looking. Graduation is over and he's already moved back home. Coincidentally, today I heard on the radio that kids moving back home is VERY common and getting more common. Something like 50 percent of kids between the ages of 24 and 32 are living with their parents and the survey says they actually like it. So my couple of questions to you is ... • Why are parents allowing this? Is this what parents sign up for? • Is this a byproduct of the pussification of raising kids? Participation trophies? Always making sure your kids were feeling "special" every day of their lives growing up? Is this the curse of that? I mean I would think at some point parents would rather their kids live on their own and the $$$ mill stops churning. Adult kids eat a lot of food and how long should the parents have to pay? Is little Johnny or Julie looking for the perfect job cause of how they were raised again, to feel special every moment of their lives? Sometimes it takes a less than perfect job to get experience and to motivate one to keep applying to land something even better. Life is kind of a process. • Do any parents you know actually enjoy this? Are they glad adult Johnny and Julie have moved back home so they can continue telling them they are great and don't let anybody else tell them otherwise? After hearing that on the radio I wondered if any of you have adult kids living at home or any of your buddies do? What is your take on this new aspect of America. When I graduated college it was understood I was to get a job very very soon and indeed I moved out within a month of graduating. My dad never SAID it, but the implication was clear: Son I paid for your college tuition books and room and board and what did you do with that cash? Did you parlay it into a degree that can get you working ... NOW?? He didn't want to kick me out but I think he would have. It only seems natural: You Live with parents; graduate; get taken off all your parents insurance policies; get a job/move out. Please comment on this issue. Is it right for adult kids to move back in???? Is it no big deal? Should kids just blame the economy while looking for the perfect first job and continuing to eat Daddy's Doritos? I actually say NO ... GET A JOB; START YOUR ADULT LIVES.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 25, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) Relevant to previous conversation, but long distance relationships take their toll. Smart phones help immensely, but I just got in I've such relationship and the critical things we've hit on include... 1) Making sure we talk almost every day on the phone 2) Have a date for it to end, so once I'm done with school. 3) Plan out the visits. We just scheduled a visit every month for the next year last night. 4) Intent. She and I agreed you don't get in these relationships without the endgame being marriage. Her sister got mad and said we're moving too fast, but we've been good friends for quite some time it helps. Quin, you are a very intense guy it seems. Way too organized. Why are you mapping this out so every detail is covered? It's either meant to be or it isn't. I wish you the best but from what I have learned if she meets some guy she is fiercely attracted to, you may be out of luck during the long distance relationship. If she doesn't meet anybody, you are still in. Now if you are incredibly good looking and built, which you may very well be, and you are hotter to women than 95 percent of anybody they come into contact with, you are safe.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ May 25, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) She is staying over for the whole weekend, this upcoming weekend. She wanted to buy us tickets for the Cubs/Phillies game Saturday, but decided against it once I told her I had a party to go to afterwards (She's apparently coming to that now as well). Damn. The way u made her sound she was not that appealing. You must like her. I really would not want to take a woman to a Cubs game. I'd insist on the Sox part of it. If she doesn't know any players in baseball cept Cubs like you said, she's not THAT big of a fan. I'd rather take her to a library than a Cubs game. So are you into this girl or not?

I totally worship Ozzie but he's done because of P.C. He'll never get a GM/owner to hire him. Too risky cause of the bulls*** political correctness era we are in.