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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 26, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Why do you think this is true? Because it's not. I know a lot of a.) rich kids. Parents are paying and buying them cars and luxury apartments. Basically rich kid syndrome. B.) I know some dads and moms who considered it part of their duty as parents to pay for their kids' education. If they were gonna bring 'em into the world, they'd save up and get them through college. A lot also are prepared to pay for their daughter's wedding, too, per the old tradition of doing that.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) The people that tend to scream at how hard they work tend to be those incredibly out of touch with the efforts of those around them. Not surprised you are drawn to that. I didn't think Steve was bragging; he was uh, responding to a thread on a message board. I don't think he's out of touch either. He hired the 6 prepared Millenials, not the ones who came in unprepared and overwhelmed. QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) And I do realize that my situation was unique. I paid off my college loans within 2 years, mostly because I worked my ass off every summer, every break and 2 nights a week in a factory to cover school costs NOT covered by my small scholarship. I was able to live at home, albeit paying rent, for about 9 months before I got a real job, and mover out a month after that. i realize not everyone could find and work a job like I did to pay for school. Doesn't mean they can't work at McDonalds or Kohls. Hmmm .. Hard work, sweat, working one's "ass off during summers" seems to still pay off. Alpha Dog worked hard and paid rent to mom and pops. Good for you, Dog. QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) Alpha - cost of education is significantly higher now than it was even a decade ago. When I was in law school (and tuition was a lot less than it is now), I worked at law firms in Champaign during the school year (and in the summer), had a scholarship that covered half my tuition, lived in crappy houses with a bunch of other dudes paying minimal rent, and still exited school with an amount of debt that I will call a "crapload." I was fortunate enough to not have any undergrad debt, but my law school debt is basically a second mortgage, and it's a second mortgage because of the astronomic cost of education - an issue that my parent's generation didn't have to deal with... Fair post. Good post. Kids are facing higher costs, but a lot of mamas and daddys are paying for college. They have to. They've raised their toddlers in such a safe, entitled (hey look at my kids, world, they won this trophy!) environment they have to make sure they go to college. Make sure they stay on the right course of being perfect little boys and girls. I thank my dad for paying for my college. I am privileged and fortunate in that regard. Think of all he saved me, the worry and stress and hardship trying to pay my own way. In that regard I am a spoiled brat, too. But he would have stopped dishing me money once I got my degree. He wasn't going to get taken advantage of, which I think is what is happening in many cases. It's pretty easy to go back home to live while waiting for some employer to see your resume online and decide you are so special the company has to have you, instead of busting your ass like Steve and Alpha to get your first job and 'work' your way up the ladder.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) So you're telling me you don't agree that the Sox underachieved in 2011 despite spending a ton of money and that Ozzie didn't already have the Miami job lined up before the 2011 season was over? I can't take the bait for my sanity and the board's. Check the old threads. I worship Ozzie. Then and now.

QUOTE (Dunt @ May 26, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) There is no excuse for not taking 3 of 4 this series against a team missing Moose and Gordon. Are u serious. KC will smoke us 3 minimum; we got to try to avoid sweep. Weather is horrendous as we speak. Damn this state can be scary: wind, tornadoes, hail, total rain during rush hour.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 26, 2016 -> 08:11 PM) I moved out at 19. I'm kinda tired of hearing about the crippling debt of college. The big issue here is that all these kids are staying past 4 years. All four of my cousins are in their 5th to 7th year of college, and they aren't becoming f***ing doctors or lawyers. Two of them are doing political science and the other psychology. The student loans are paid off rather easily by making the minimum payment - I paid mine off last year. The rates are low. These same idiots complaining about their student loans are the ones who just had to get a shiny new car, too, and then they struggle. Shocker. Also, I don't think finding a job today is any easier or harder than it was in 2006 when I went out after it. This isn't 2009 and 2010. I worked an unpaid internship (with the Blackhawks) that opened doors to get interviews, in my eyes. Then I applied for like 200 suburban entry level marketing jobs and studied my ass off and prepared like no other for said interviews so I could get a job. I took the time to know about the company, what they wanted, prepare custom presentations given on a laptop, just to blow them away. And I still got rejected for a bunch because it WAS F*CKING COMPETITIVE THEN, TOO. I wound up taking an entry level job as a marketing coordinator at a f***ing stenography company. Your first job out of college is never going to be your dream job. These kids these days (and trust me, I interview plenty of them) show up for interviews and have no idea what the hell they're even doing there. It's a sense of entitlement that f***s them, and those clowns don't deserve the jobs they're going after. Then they complain about not being able to get a job, live with their parents forever, age themselves out of the jobs they should have gotten years ago, and then cry that Bernie Sanders isn't going to be president. Lazy little b****es. All of them. I have 6 millennials working in my department from tons interviewed. These were the few that actually did what I did and prepared, and they got the jobs. I really appreciate this post. Makes me think times haven't changed that much. Those who go after it with great zeal and energy and belief, ones who don't even consider relying on mommy and daddy for help, well they make it. You could go out and give speeches I'm sure. You are an achiever; not a blind dreamer in winning the lottery or hoping somebody will see your resume online and give you a call because you are a special kid. Just wanted to say congratulations on your life so far. I like your attitude.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 26, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) I work harder than everyone else so everyone else should be PUNISHED! Everyone else probably had it EASY to get where they were, unlike me. The person that wrote that on here did work harder than everybody else. And he hired six millenials who were prepared for their interviews and also WORKED HARD. Maybe the participation trophies aren't so smart after all. Why write a post like this? If you work hard you SHOULD be rewarded more than those freeloading.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ May 26, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) However, I have no issue with kids who want to move home and save money. One of my good buddies at work lived with his parents that first year, and he saved a boat load of money because of it. Yeah but my thread was about the parents. Not many on here are thinking maybe ol mom and pop want a break from the $$$ it takes to raise kids and Johnny and Julie are letting them down moving in. QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ May 26, 2016 -> 06:15 PM) Most of the twenty-somethings I know who live with their parents get defensive when someone brings this up. They WANT to have a job where they can afford their own car, their own place, and so on, they're trying to, but they can't. They're all either in college (because they're working while taking classes) or college graduates and they're trying not to be bitter about it, but they're tired of older generations s***ting on them all the time, too. Honestly though can you blame them? Their whole lives they were told "work hard in school so you can go to college and you'll find a job" cuz that's how it was for Boomers and Gen X. But it's not. Why listen to them anyway? Hmmmm. This is an interesting post. They are wasting some time whining? My point is my dad made it clear me moving back home was not moving back home. I think I even kept a lot of my stuff in the car. I basically was there for a month while putting all my efforts into using my degree and finding my first job. With the expectation, "you are not moving back in here" I got my butt in gear and found a job and moved out within a month. I never really moved back in. Once you get that first job and apartment then you can reassess what's going on and try to improve. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 26, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) I moved out at 19. I'm kinda tired of hearing about the crippling debt of college. The big issue here is that all these kids are staying past 4 years. All four of my cousins are in their 5th to 7th year of college, and they aren't becoming f***ing doctors or lawyers. Two of them are doing political science and the other psychology. The student loans are paid off rather easily by making the minimum payment - I paid mine off last year. The rates are low. These same idiots complaining about their student loans are the ones who just had to get a shiny new car, too, and then they struggle. Shocker. Also, I don't think finding a job today is any easier or harder than it was in 2006 when I went out after it. This isn't 2009 and 2010. I worked an unpaid internship (with the Blackhawks) that opened doors to get interviews, in my eyes. Then I applied for like 200 suburban entry level marketing jobs and studied my ass off and prepared like no other for said interviews so I could get a job. I took the time to know about the company, what they wanted, prepare custom presentations given on a laptop, just to blow them away. And I still got rejected for a bunch because it WAS F*CKING COMPETITIVE THEN, TOO. I wound up taking an entry level job as a marketing coordinator at a f***ing stenography company. Your first job out of college is never going to be your dream job. These kids these days (and trust me, I interview plenty of them) show up for interviews and have no idea what the hell they're even doing there. It's a sense of entitlement that f***s them, and those clowns don't deserve the jobs they're going after. Then they complain about not being able to get a job, live with their parents forever, age themselves out of the jobs they should have gotten years ago, and then cry that Bernie Sanders isn't going to be president. Lazy little b****es. All of them. I have 6 millennials working in my department from tons interviewed. These were the few that actually did what I did and prepared, and they got the jobs. This is an interesting post. This one mentions the sense of entitlement I was talking about with the participation trophies. Some parents get what they deserve though. If you raise Johnny and Julie to be "special" and get everything they want at all times, don't push them to be winners you might wind up with kids that want to live with you until they are 40. I did notice a lot of the posters were saying, "I know guys and girls who lived at home in their 20s and they liked it. They saved money. It was good for them." Again ... what about the parents? I could see some parents supporting their kids their entire lives as long as they stay single.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 26, 2016 -> 07:28 AM) Ozzie didn't get fired because of what he said. He got fired because of what he did. Which is underachieve in 2011 and walk out on the club before the season was even over. I won't comment on what you said because my opinions are well known on the matter and my love of Ozzie got me suspended before because of my behavior in threads about Ozzie. Let's just say I disagree.

One of my good friends has a son who just finished college. He has no job offers yet and wants to take his time looking. Graduation is over and he's already moved back home. Coincidentally, today I heard on the radio that kids moving back home is VERY common and getting more common. Something like 50 percent of kids between the ages of 24 and 32 are living with their parents and the survey says they actually like it. So my couple of questions to you is ... • Why are parents allowing this? Is this what parents sign up for? • Is this a byproduct of the pussification of raising kids? Participation trophies? Always making sure your kids were feeling "special" every day of their lives growing up? Is this the curse of that? I mean I would think at some point parents would rather their kids live on their own and the $$$ mill stops churning. Adult kids eat a lot of food and how long should the parents have to pay? Is little Johnny or Julie looking for the perfect job cause of how they were raised again, to feel special every moment of their lives? Sometimes it takes a less than perfect job to get experience and to motivate one to keep applying to land something even better. Life is kind of a process. • Do any parents you know actually enjoy this? Are they glad adult Johnny and Julie have moved back home so they can continue telling them they are great and don't let anybody else tell them otherwise? After hearing that on the radio I wondered if any of you have adult kids living at home or any of your buddies do? What is your take on this new aspect of America. When I graduated college it was understood I was to get a job very very soon and indeed I moved out within a month of graduating. My dad never SAID it, but the implication was clear: Son I paid for your college tuition books and room and board and what did you do with that cash? Did you parlay it into a degree that can get you working ... NOW?? He didn't want to kick me out but I think he would have. It only seems natural: You Live with parents; graduate; get taken off all your parents insurance policies; get a job/move out. Please comment on this issue. Is it right for adult kids to move back in???? Is it no big deal? Should kids just blame the economy while looking for the perfect first job and continuing to eat Daddy's Doritos? I actually say NO ... GET A JOB; START YOUR ADULT LIVES.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 25, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) Relevant to previous conversation, but long distance relationships take their toll. Smart phones help immensely, but I just got in I've such relationship and the critical things we've hit on include... 1) Making sure we talk almost every day on the phone 2) Have a date for it to end, so once I'm done with school. 3) Plan out the visits. We just scheduled a visit every month for the next year last night. 4) Intent. She and I agreed you don't get in these relationships without the endgame being marriage. Her sister got mad and said we're moving too fast, but we've been good friends for quite some time it helps. Quin, you are a very intense guy it seems. Way too organized. Why are you mapping this out so every detail is covered? It's either meant to be or it isn't. I wish you the best but from what I have learned if she meets some guy she is fiercely attracted to, you may be out of luck during the long distance relationship. If she doesn't meet anybody, you are still in. Now if you are incredibly good looking and built, which you may very well be, and you are hotter to women than 95 percent of anybody they come into contact with, you are safe.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ May 25, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) She is staying over for the whole weekend, this upcoming weekend. She wanted to buy us tickets for the Cubs/Phillies game Saturday, but decided against it once I told her I had a party to go to afterwards (She's apparently coming to that now as well). Damn. The way u made her sound she was not that appealing. You must like her. I really would not want to take a woman to a Cubs game. I'd insist on the Sox part of it. If she doesn't know any players in baseball cept Cubs like you said, she's not THAT big of a fan. I'd rather take her to a library than a Cubs game. So are you into this girl or not?

I totally worship Ozzie but he's done because of P.C. He'll never get a GM/owner to hire him. Too risky cause of the bulls*** political correctness era we are in.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:11 PM) The Tigers must have had 5 or 6 disastrous defeats alone in the first 6 weeks and it didn't seem to affect them, even when their own hometown newspaper was calling for the team to be dismantled and Ausmus canned. Ugh. QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) This is the problem with hiring someone with no prior managerial experience. You just don't know if he can properly handle situations like the Carroll game and the aftermath of it so the season doesn't spiral out of control. I wonder how good managers vs. bad managers deal with those losses in which the team chokes away a game that's in the bag. My guess is baseball's rule of clubhouse etiquette is to ignore it, act like you won the game. I'm thinking if I were a manager I would address the choke job in some form or fashion, whether by humor or by challenging the guys. I think we sent Carroll down right away so it's not like the manager would be embarrassing the main culprit in such a discussion. ... Again, I'd bet the book says "when your highly paid, mega millionaire baseball players inexplicably blow a game that everybody thought was in the bag, show no emotion. Act the same as if you had won the game. This is the best way to combat a huge choke job; pretend it never happened." Throw away that volume of "the book." Address it in some way when it happens before you go 4-11.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:24 PM) Yes, we've heard this before. Tony LaRussa, Jim Leyland in Colorado, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre all "looked" like bad managers before when they had crappy talent. Ozzie said this over and over and over again. Joe Girardi in Florida, etc. I still would argue that sabremetrics doesn't have a clue yet how to measure the intangible/s of what separate a good manager from a great one, anymore than it can measure clubhouse chemistry/cliques. Say what you want about the Twins from 2001-2010, the Tigers from 2011-2014 or the Royals really the last three seasons, they all share/d that trust/conviction/belief that they're the best team and will end up winning in the end...or simply apply constant pressure on other teams and make their opponents beat themselves, in the case of the Twins and Royals. Sox were looking like they had "it" at 23-10. Team was rolling and rattling off win after win and winning series after series. It seems like the Sox do more "weird" stuff than most franchises. Like play 23-10 ball and start to look somewhat special then turn to complete crap. Yes it happens, but what's with the 23-10? True at that point we hadn't started playing division teams cept for the Twins. Wait til Detroit starts beating us like a drum to go with Cleveland and KC. Will interest ever be lower in a first place team than after KC kicks our ass 3 of 4 or all 4 this weekend?

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 25, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) I want Ozzie back. Robin is the perfect corpseball manager. Too laid back to take charge of a team. Robin blew it. At 23-10 he was playing with the house's money. He didn't go for the jugular right then and make this team believe it was an elite team. He knows better than to give away games in which you have a five-run lead for gosh sakes. And once it happened he needed to do something. Thing is ... he's old school where you do the exact same things every day, never show any emotion, never point out to the team to step it up after pissing away a game like that. Hahn/Coop/Kenny share in the blame, calling up a guy like Carroll.

He turns 23 on June 23. He had experience playing in college. Why isn't he "ready?" I'd bring him up on June 23.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 25, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) "We had our big guys going. It didn't go well for us" -Robin I can't stand this guy and stupid glasses. He isn't a manager, please get a real one ASAP QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 25, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) We had 2 relievers in the DL which created the Scott Carroll debacle though Maybe some year this team won't have one game you just KNOW has ended the season. It must be against baseball's clubhouse rulebook for a player to show emotion anymore. Cause we never have any leadership when we go through these funks. Konerko never did anything; just as the LaRoche haters aren't doing anything.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:27 PM) Sox have played 48 games this season; have scored three runs or less in 24 of them (50%) Same s*** as last year and the year before...nothing has really changed. Mark Our hitting coach must be fired ... now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:26 PM) 82 wins after this start and the only ones they can sell progress to will be Merkin's and Boyer's children... White Sox have had close to perfect health. Again. The Indians have been without Brantley and Carrasco. Royals w/o Gordon, Moustakas, Medlen and Young. Tigers without Maybin and Daniel Norris. We deserve what we get. Any team that thinks Rollins is a productive shortstop and Avila/Navarro are the answer at catcher deserve the .500 record they are going to get.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) Not much you can say. 5th starter hasn't won a game yet and we are almost at Memorial Day and the hitting has disappeared plus even more alarming to me, they have started to make more errors and made base running blunders again. This club will probably be out of first place by the end of the week. Now in a real free fall 4-11 since they blew that game in Texas. 3-7 on a very important home stand. It's all gone south and given the recent history and inability to consistently beat teams in the division (which continues save for Minnesota) the future doesn't look great. We'll see. Win 82 game at least and you can say progress is being made with a straight face. Mark You won't catch me within 50 miles of Kauffman Stadium this weekend. Hate to go or not go based on how I feel the team is going to do ... but I can't take going with my Royals friends who offered me a freebie for Thursday night in the club level seats. They will be in gloating mode and their fans are ready to erupt and start re-living their WS year volume of cheers. Pop up storms supposed to continue all four days, probably too intermittent to rain out any of the 4 games. I'll give Sox benefit of doubt and say we go 1-3, though don't be surprised at the 0-4 sombrero. Could I make a humble request of Robin? Coop? Have Rodon hit Escobar or Hosmer their first at bat in retaliation for the Lawrie hitting and show we've come to compete? Just hit them on the meaty part of the shoulder so nobody gets hurt.

QUOTE (Green Line @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Dont even know what to say anymore. I mean COME ON baseball gods, can we White Sox fans have just a bit of happiness? It's been so freaking long since this team was respectable, and right when things finally seem to be looking up they rip our hearts out. Need to take a week off from the Sox and cool off. Can't beg to the baseball gods when Chicago has had as much success as it has had. WS title 11 years ago; Bulls dynasty; BlackHawks dynasty. Cleveland is the city to pity; no title since the 60s in anything and hearts to be broken badly vs. OKC again.

LOL. For weeks the toast of baseball. A 3-7 homestand follows that pathetic road trip. This team is severely flawed. Fire or demote somebody, please! Oh wait, team is still in first place. No need to panic.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2016 -> 10:05 PM) Minn 0-6 against Sox, 1-5 vs KC and 3-3 vs. Indians. If Sox lose, only 3 games over .500 in AL Central, Indians would be 7 games over. Sox finally returning to the spot they are most comfortable. 2-3 games above or below .500 After the KC series we'll be likely one over. Way to blow the big margin over .500 guys.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 25, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) Gonna win back your houses? My OKC predictions/bets have funded many houses. It's OKC's year.

Rodon, Latos and our No. 5 guy open the Royals series in Kauffman? Yikes. Hate to tell ya to run to your bookie but this screams 0-3 before we try to salvage with Sale on Sunday. I do like Rodon but he's not quite ready for prime time. He'll allow one run in six innings then all hell will break loose with our pen Thursday.