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QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) If the events of the "last week" are closed in reference to Guillen, should not those events of that same week be closed for Cooper as well? You love to drag Coopers name in that week but completely exonerate Guillen as if it never happened. You can't have it both ways Pal. Sure. I just bring it up in defense of Ozzie when people say he quit. QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 09:23 PM) His act is old and tired. His new boss likely has buyer's remorse already. I'll eat Adam Dunn if that becomes true. Swallow him whole, like an anaconda. His act will be fine when they start winning again. If for some reason Loria thinks he can do better and axes Ozzie, he'll get hired the ensuing offseason. He's not at the point where this will be his last team. Francona will get a job this offseason if he wants one despite his clubhouse falling apart last year with all that weird stuff going on.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 11:42 PM) The Sox have needed a guy like this since Carl Everett's been gone. Like the article says, though, he is going to get hurt. Bank on that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) It just disproves your previous point that Ozzie bleeds White Sox red, thats all. You are just talking in circles. Ozzie is a selfish prick that has no team in his heart but Team Guillen, you just wont admit it because he did the most amazing thing ever and was part of a world series team. Pablo Ozuna is possibly the greatest bench player in the history of bench players for this very same reason. I would disagree in your assertion that he is a "selfish prick." As far as the WS, I look at ozzie's whole body of work. Name one other Sox manager who comes close to rivaling what Ozzie did with the Sox? Chuck Tanner? People forget his overall body of work (uh, his RECORD) is pretty impressive with the White Sox, a team with an abysmal past. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) The Marlins had to give up players to make it all go away. Then Sox fans everywhere should be thrilled the way it worked out. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) And the Sox wanted Ozzie out. If they really wanted to keep him, he wouldn't be in Miami now or they would have made Miami give up better players. That is 100 percent true. This quit on the team stuff is all TOTAL BS. If the Sox wanted ozzie he'd be in Chicago. Case closed. Who cares about the last-week semantics of his leaving and "quitting" on the team. If that makes you all feel better to hate on Ozzie for that, go for it. Like Dick Allen said, the Sox didn't want him. Case closed. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) If you think I am a troll, you are crazy. I'm as good a White Sox fan as anybody on here. Longevity, memories of past teams, and everything else. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) COOPER HAD BEEN THERE A LOT LONGER THAN OZZIE, and many more years with the SOX as a coach OZZIE WAS DELIBERATELY LEAVING HIS COACHING STAFF OUT OUT TO DRY..."LET THEM SWEAT IT OUT" i remember was his quote COOPER WANTED TO STAY WITH THE SOX, AND EVEN BE THE MANAGER (perhaps) OZZIE WANTED TO DITCH THE SOX Is Ozzie taking care of Jeff Cox now? Paying his bills or mortgage? I think not. SOMEONE had to stick their foot on the line and say "who's with me, who's staying, who's loyal to JR, to their OTHER boss KW, to Jerry Reinsdorf?" Wait and see a couple of years from now. I bet Buehrle will be back in a Sox uniform. Guillen will be a 3rd base coach somewhere, or bench coach. Or maybe on TV, since that's what he is really best suited for now, until he says something that's impossible for even him to walk back. Ozzie will be a manager until the day he decides he does not want to be a manager. At some point will he be silenced and be another plastic mummy in the dugout and with the press? Perhaps. But he'll be a manager somewhere the next 25 years.

I think Lilly has some ability, but frankly doesn't have a clue. He played so little this year I don't know what he was doing at the plate. I assume he was trying to hit home runs as he did virtually every at bat last year when he whacked more than Adam Dunn. It's a shame, but Lilly's ship has sailed. We'll never know if he coulda been a productive major leaguer. His approach is horrific. somebody has to send that clip of the kid to all the morning talk shows and Yahoo. I'm sure it'd be yahoo's lead story on a slow day and I could see the talk shows feasting on this cute kid.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) And 142-110 is a VERY significant disparity that translates to 91 victories for the average AL team, were they to play a full NL schedule. And that total will win divisions many times. In other words, a perfectly average AL team is a legit contender in the NL, if interleague sample size is sufficient. The last two WS champs would say the AL isn't all that special.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 06:59 PM) I miss the Metrodome and Hawk's constant blaming the stadium for the Sox playing poorly against the Twins. It actually was one of the reasons. The Sox sucked in that dome.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) Actually Manny was given credit on Soxtalk for a couple of HRs other players hit. As far as Youkilis, its pretty rare a guy who is being paid more by a team that he doesn't play for than by the team he plays for, contributes much. He obviously doesn't have to do much to be an upgrade, but anyone thinking Youkilis hopped in a time machine and its 2008 again, will probably be dissappointed. Manny getting credit for that was annoying. He was one of the biggest White Sox busts of all time. Good comment about what to expect out of Youk. I'm thinking if Youk wants to play in the postseason, he'll help our White Sox get there. It's worth a gamble, cause Lilly and Zach suck. QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:36 PM) So reading through the thread I see a few people that seem sure he's still not healthy...what makes you think that? He's already been to the DL and has came off, is it because back problems are always a lingering problem?? What are the chances its not fluff when he says he feels great?? He is 5 for 11 over the last week so maybe its true. We're just a little concerned cause of Crede/Morel. The dirt in the 3B area at the Cell is kinda hard apparently.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 06:49 AM) 1) BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO NEGOTIATE WITH A SEPARATE TEAM WHEN CURRENTLY EMPLOYED If it is illegal, then why didn't baseball reprimand Ozzie. Is there proof? 2) COOP NEGOTIATED WITH HIS OWN BOSS Coop did it all behind his other boss' back. ozzie.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 07:26 PM) Inconsistent is not the same thing as dysfunctional. And if Ozzie bled White Sox red, he wouldn't have negotiated with Marlins green during the season. Who cares if he negotiated at the end of a horrific season? Coop also negotiated behind Ozzie's back. Why is Ozzie the one villain on a team full of villains last year. KW is no saint. Coop was a snake. So what if Ozzie was talking to Miami. Most of you wanted him gone, he sped up that process. It's not like our team was doing anything. QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 12:18 AM) Nah, f*** that guy. Wow. A WS winning manager. OUR WS winning manager and you can't tip your cap and wish him well. Man.

Good trade. We get a name player in Youk and the Sox tell the baseball world and their fanbase they are trying to win. We give up nobodies in Stewart and Lilly. Stewart is absolutely dreadful and even if he gets hot for a couple starts for some reason, he will not sustain it. Lilly has been a White Sox a long time now and simply hasn't looked like an everyday player. If he becomes a star, good for him but he's shown no signs of that. Hudson now becomes our seldom used sub. I would think he will hate that role. Wonder if we'll try to deal him. Reading about Youk's back issues ... wouldn't that be wild if he's yet another third baseman to have back troubles with the White Sox? If Youk sucks, he's no worse than Hudson/Morel. If he does well, he could help us win this lousy division. KW will not be crucified for this deal no matter what happens.

Very smart to bring Reed in. He's our only truly reliable reliever. Gives Sox a prayer of winning it in the ninth before extra innings.

Sox at home ... blah. Can't see a W coming out of this. That'd mean two walkoff wins in the same season. We already got our one.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) i hope we didn't give up anything of value for Youk.. ugh. I guarantee you KW will grossly overpay for the guy if we get him. His track record says OVERPAY.

No squeeze bunt here. Please no.

DeAza is so fast. He made it to second easily on that? Wow.

That sucked big time. Need a gapper or we lose.

A walk would be special here.

Good pick by Dunn! Huge. Oops I thought it bounced.

That Geiko commercial with the possum is kinda creepy in this day and age. The dad messing with his kids like that is a no no.

I don't think we are gonna score today. Damn.

AJ shoulda sprayed that one to left.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) HE GAWN. Hawk is not bad in small doses. Hawk is great in all doses.

If Q gets out of this inning can we assume he is a helluva pitcher? He's been pretty good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 08:49 PM) For as clutch as Konerko was to start the year, he's been equally as bad in the clutch of late. He really needs a few days off to have his wrist recover. It's why guys don't hit .375. He had to come back to earth and he has thudded.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 07:18 PM) Again our starter pitches a shut out and again our offense can't capitalize. This is getting old. Quintana deserves a win. Our offense blows. Are we gonna lose another home series? Cmon Adam.