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Could this thread be closed or moved? I think it's disrespectful and petty of the Sox fan base to be critical of a legend like Hawk. I mean WTF? This would be like Cub fans blasting Harry or Sox fans blasting Harry since he was with the Sox so long as well. We're not talking about Steve Physioc here or some unknown. I repeat ... WTF?

QUOTE (MAX @ May 24, 2012 -> 05:48 AM) He put his ego ahead of the team's performance. He betrayed the white sox. If he apologized for doing that, I might have an ounce of respect for him. Until then, I hope he continues to perform poorly, act foolish, and underachieve. You really believe what you type? How the hell did he "betray" the White Sox? By winning a WS? You think KW doesn't have a big "ego" as well? And Jerry? If you guys want to make Ozzie the bad guy ... I say "for what?" For winning consistently here? For bringing us a WS? Yes it ended badly. Big deal. I happen to blame the players for the team's effort the last couple years. Some of you who get on him had to watch lousy Kotsay and Pierre and Wise and Pods and that former Nebraska player, I forget his name. Oh yes Erstad. They were such bad players. You poor poor fans. Well you still are watching bad players. Lillibridge, Escobar, Rios, some hack pitchers. There always will be some bad players.

Hmmm...I wonder how that would be. Could the manager have anything to do with it?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 24, 2012 -> 05:34 AM) Greg, remember this game from 2010? Just realize that Jenks only got the loss in that game. (what's totally awesome is that there are going to be several people who know, without clicking the link, the exact game I'm talking about, because it was by far the worst baseball experience of my entire life) Oh he blew some games that final year, but hey, it's a big stretch to say Oz gave up on the team by pitching Jenks. That's ludicrous.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 23, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) Wait, so Red Sox are playing Pods in CF? Wow Pods with a HR! Jayson Nix, Wise playing for the Yankees and Juan Pierre for somebody! Ex Sox live forever!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:34 PM) I like how your statement that Jenks dominated the whole summer was completely destroyed, so you fell back on a less reliable metric without acknowledging anything. Jenks having 27 saves despite his continually terrible, unreliable performance might also suggest that...Ozzie was stubbornly keeping him in the closer role despite the fact that he was regularly giving up runs and blowing important games. QUOTE (knightni @ May 23, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) Not to get off topic, but if you or anyone had seen any games in 2010 in person, you would have seen how much Jenks actually struggled and how hard batters were hitting him. His stats were improved by the defense he had behind him. Yes but how do we get the conclusion that Ozzie is giving away games and purposely blowing games by pitching a guy who had 27 saves??? I couldn't find a game by game of that year but as I recall he had a nice hot streak; maybe it was all of June. The Marlins are going to make the playoffs and Ozzie is going to manage there a long time. I just hope we continue to win on the southside as well.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 23, 2012 -> 11:16 PM) My dad used to live on one of the Fox chain lakes(Pistakee), and there was a massive change in the approach to lake DUI's. The thing that really sucks is cops can board your boat and search, no questions asked. They basically have free reign to board and bust, so you better hope that you don't catch their eye and that you are doing everything right while driving or anchored. We have seen plenty of people busted for being loud and rowdy, yet at Blarneys island every thursday there are boat races and wet t-shirt contests and you could probably have a 95 percent breathalyzer fail rate from everyone involved. It is a very uneven enforcement of the law Good god. They allow the boat races with drunk boaters and bust the normal Joes who had a couple beers. Cmon. Drunken boating? If you get a lake DUI can it affect your driving privileges on land, too?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 23, 2012 -> 10:56 PM) Yeah that sounds wrong on all sorts of levels. You'd think they could tell he was not hammered and treat him a little better than that. Human dignity and all that. And on a lake and boating? I mean cops are experienced. There has to be a way to notice a guy is not that drunk.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 23, 2012 -> 09:45 PM) Pontoon boat, not even moving, bunch of 30 year olds not really making much noise at all. I've been on my lake driving boats since i was 8 legally since I was 12. Never seen anything like that EVER. They handcuffed me to their boat, took me in without a shirt or shoes on, strapped me down to a bed and took blood then handcuffed me to the floor of the jail for 14 hours without being able to get a drink or piss. All for sitting on my pontoon celebrating someones bday and unfortunately being the only boat out there at 5pm. OM fricking gawd. This is almost barbaric. WTF? Did your lawyer say you could sue? Not to be gross but did you just piss on the floor? I'd think you could sue. If you got to go, you got to go. Were you found guilty? Or plead down?

QUOTE (Jake @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:40 PM) Nothing I know about OH reminds me of Rios. But I'm interested in exactly what the people that don't like him don't like. All I've heard is "talks too much" -- is there something wrong with what he's saying? and "gets thrown out 8 times a week making dumb hustle plays" -- what? It's hard for me to evaluate based on this non-specificity. Maybe it'll be easier for us to like him since this may very well be his first gig with next to 0 expectations. I didn't like the line in the story that said he was not any help or not interested in being a help to young players.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:23 PM) 4-5, but my wifey drives me home QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:37 PM) I got arrested for drunken boating on a lake where I have been driving a boat legally since I was 12. I was anchored and roughly 50 feet from my dock. I blew a .2. It cost me almost 10k to get a slap on the wrist (rightly so) and I have to wait a few more years for the OWI (now) to get off my record. If the jail time/suspension doesnt scare people, its at least 10k per DUI out of your pocket not to mention the horrible alcohol classes and the horrific night in jail. Happy hour is actual illegal in Chicago, and this is one of the main reasons. QUOTE (Jake @ May 23, 2012 -> 09:01 PM) I can't come to a conclusion as far as the "badness" of DUI. Where does it rank among other things we consider crimes -- theft, assault, rape/sexual assault, murder? I don't know. While on one hand there may be less malicious intent, there is a serious lack of security thinking about people operating a car in such a manner that may result in seemingly random, unmotivated deaths. We enjoy a certain amount of security because we feel generally certain that we have to give someone motivation to murder us or steal from us (having nice things available) or rape us (even if it is just being a woman that motivates). The generally systematic choice of victims in these crimes is in that way comforting. There are things about me and my life that make me not fear certain crimes...but every time we get on the road, there is reason to fear a drunk driver. So you have random victims yet very much non-random offenders. People are doing something that they know may result in random death when they do it. This is the part that makes me understand why they should be dealt with harshly. The lack of malicious intent (I would classify this as careless) makes me more okay with less jail time. Instead they get parts of their lifestyle taken away -- money, ability to drive, and by extension oftentimes employment. I think oftentimes folks are required to have their drinking habits/psychological state scrutinized, but I'm not sure of this. 1.) I was thinking 4-5 beers a normal 9 inning game for a person who likes beer is about right. So my question to those who are so appalled by DUI ... have you ever had 4 beers at a Sox game and driven home?? You likely would get a DUI. You are not necessarily a horrific person, are you?? 2.) Drunking boating and you were anchored?? You must have been FURIOUS at the cop. 3.) Very nice post, but again, what about 4-5 beers? Likely you can drive fine. So is the perpetrator a person who should be thrown in jail 2 years?? I tell you, the campaigns worked on me. I just don't drink and drive. I won't have ANY beers at a friend's party or a game or anything if I'm driving. And I like a cold beer. If it's cold and not named "Bud" I love beer.

Jenks had 27 saves in 2010. Not half bad. Sergio blew some last year as well and Santiago blew some this year.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:16 PM) Have you watched a sporting event in the last 20 years? Most of the ads are for alcohol, and most are showing a group of people at one place enjoying said alcohol. Advertising is absolutely part of the problem here. Drinking is now a requirement to having a good time apparently. How many beers do you generally have if you are at a game at the Cell? If you leave right after the game and drive, would you be over the limit?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) Like when Bobby Jenks was doing whatever the Hell he was doing in 2010 that led him to be practically unable to pitch, would come in and get shelled, Ozzie would say that's it he's lost the closer's job, and then the next time there was need for a Closer after the Kotsay/Pierre led lineup squeaked out a lead, Jenks would be back out trying to blow it again? That was throwing away a season too. QUOTE (fathom @ May 23, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) WHAT?? Buehrle is 32nd in the NL in ERA and only has 4 wins on the season, all while pitching home games at a gigantic pitcher's park. 1.) My recollection is Jenks was closer about as long as the other guys who have been demoted were closers. He'd blow a couple then it'd be closer by committee and he'd return. It's not like Jenks was getting shelled every time. In fact, Jenks battled back that one year and uh, DOMINATED all summer after blowing several. 2.) Playing Kotsay and Pierre is not tanking a season. Pierre is still in baseball as is Wise. I'm amazed at the Ozzie hate, amazed. We won a WS. I guess some people still think that's easy to do despite the history of the Chicago White Sox.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 23, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) People using resources should be paying for the resources. First, there are plenty of court impose rehabs. There really isn't much else the government can do. Second, getting a cab is perfectly possible for almost everyone. I've lived in places were cabs are hard to get, and those that are around aren't regulated. But they exist and I've used them for weddings, parties, etc. and so did everyone else that attended. Oh, and if you live in a place with no cabs, how many cops do you think are waiting to pull people over? Probably none. Third, and probably most important to your point, is that our society is one of the few that revolves around drinking at home more so than in public. I drink a lot. More than most people in this country, but I primarily do it at home. If I want to go out, I don't drink much. Fourth, a .08 isn't as easy to hit as you think. It would probably take 3-4 glasses of wine for an average male to hit the limit. The government is plenty lenient in allowing you to go out and partake and get home safely. How many beers, though? Two? If you go watch a game and have four beers in a 2.5 hour span you'll get nailed and four beers isn't really a lot. I just don't have any if I'm driving. Can't risk it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2012 -> 07:37 PM) No. This guy quit on my team and threw away more than a season so that he could get a nice payday. Him succeeding with that payday won't make me forget that, any more than him failing to win the NL would make you suddenly have issue with anything he ever did. How did he throw away more than one season? I thought he quit the last week of last season? If he threw games purposely, then he should be banned from baseball like Pete Rose. If the Sox players had been playing worth a s*** and we'd been winning, he wouldn't have gone to Miami to begin with cause he'd remain the King of Chicago if we kept winning. His ego would have never let him consider leaving if we were WS bound again.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 23, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) All I know is my brother got a DUI (BAC .18 blood test) in CO and it will not be fun on first offense. He's already lost $10k paying for random BS related to the case. Before he is allowed to have permit to drive to work, he has to be completely driving-free for at least 30 days. I am going to move in with him to drive him to work so he doesn't lose his job. Also has to have a breathalyzer in the car for 3 years (not free!) He isn't even out of the woods yet for jail time. I can't even imagine how much a pain in the ass 3 would be. Might as well just quit and reevaluate your life. I know my brother keeps thinking about how many thousands each beer he drank that night cost him...I can't imagine someone who isn't dealing with a serious addiction could repeat offend. My favorite thing that my brother has had to pay for is for the paramedic they dispatched when he was pulled over. Since he blew a high number on breathalyzer, they decided to take him to a hospital. Paramedic may not have even left the garage, but still $1200 bill for that. 1.) Man, what a story. Ten thousand bucks already? That's amazing. 2.) Having DUI checkpoints and seeing what friends have gone through a long time ago made me not even have one drink on nights I'm driving. Just not worth it. I have driven with people who probaly woulda got a DUI if pulled over, however. Can they throw you in jail as well for being a passenger with somebody who gets pulled over for obvious DUI? Pretty stupid of me to drive with somebody drinking. I haven't done that in at least 5 years, however. I'm thinking my friend got off pretty light the other times and this one could be the hammer on his head.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ May 23, 2012 -> 06:14 AM) Marlins the best team in baseball since May 1st and by a wide margin too. You can't deny his record. For a franchise as bad as the White Sox franchise historically, his W/L record was stellar. He kept the clubhouse loose. The fact a guy like Mark would play for him AGAIN does say something. You can't tell me he'd have gone there ($$$$) only for the cash if he despised Ozzie. If Miami wins the NL this year and it is possible, will you guys melt down or be just a tiny bit happy for Ozzeroo? p.s. I won't be surprised to see Buehrle in the all star game.

QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ May 23, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) Being a Dodgers fan as well as a Sox fan... I can tell you that Dodgers fans called O-Dog 'SloDog" and couldn't wait for him to leave. *shrug* Sounds like a Rios type of guy. Hope he stays just this one season unless he re-learns how to hit.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 22, 2012 -> 11:14 PM) Is this your imaginary friend, Ben Sanderson (Nick Cage from Leaving Las Vegas)? That line made me laugh. That movie made my cry. What a movie!

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 22, 2012 -> 11:08 PM) Jesus, it's tough to get a DUI in this city...I guess falling asleep at a light would do it though. I'm assuming he's plead guilty on both DUIs thus far. The first one he probably got supervision for, the second he most likely took a hard conviction for. The issue with DUIs is that even though you can usually get supervision or probation for the first one, it still counts as a conviction. Most states now treat a third DUI in less than 10 years as a felony and suspend your license for up to 10 years. I'm not sure how they tally them up though if they are in different states. As for his driving privileges, all states use a nationwide database now so that he can't get a DL unless he fulfills the conditions of his plea in every state he got a DUI in. So if he has a suspended DL in Nevada, he can't get one in Missouri until his license is reinstated in Nevada. As Badger says, we would need to know the particulars, but he is really, really f***ed. Lucky he isn't in Illinois, as it is one of the most punitive states in the nation when it comes to DUIs. I agree on the harsh comments, but don't direct them at me. I'm just trying to save his life. I realize he's a moron. I'm not the type to say, "You just got a third DUI. Lose this phone number!!" Thanks for the help and the links BTW. For now, I'm assuming Nevada will treat this as a second DUI since they treated his last DUI in Vegas as his first. Maybe it got negotiated out during his first Vegas DUI case. Although he did say he had no idea why the Vegas judge didn't know about the Kansas DUI during his Vegas DUI hearing. Like I said, Mr. Attorneys, if this was your client and he had committed his second DUI offense in Illinois, with let's say his first (undetected) DUI in Vegas four years ago, what kind of settlement do you think you could get for him in Illinois? Is this guy gonna serve hard time behind bars in Vegas?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 23, 2012 -> 04:40 AM) Is there a player on the sox you don't think is underrated? Anyways, this is Gavin Floyd, streaky as all hell, I'm sure in a couple of months, he'll have a 6 week stretch where he's one of the 2-3 best starters in baseball. ELrockin is like Will Rogers.

Anybody think Okie City has a chance vs. the Spurs? I say San Antonio in four or five. I don't think OKC is ready for prime time still. The Heat apparently got their wake up call when the Pacers went up 2-1 and everybody was saying Eric would be fired after the season ends and people were getting down on Wade. Right now the Heat are looking to be locks to make the Finals. No way Miami is going to lose to Boston or Philly. Overreaction galore.

The Cubs have a really really bad baseball team. I just can't imagine how they will fill that ballpark all summer. I know people go to Cubs games for reasons other than baseball, but still. It's a pathetic team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 23, 2012 -> 12:08 AM) I love Hawk and hope he realizes his dream and announces White Sox games until he dies. I love the catch phrases, I love he wants the White Sox to win as much as I do and even more during spring training. Every poster has been influenced as to how they watch the game by the Hawkeroo. I could do without his umpire bashing. I could do without the Jerry Manuel bashing that is still occurring, but for my money, I don't know how you would want to replace a guy that understands the game as much or more than anyone else you would bring in, and who would be more happy if the Sox won or as upset if they lose. QUOTE (ROC Sox Fan @ May 23, 2012 -> 12:39 AM) Maybe it's because I watch out of market, but I don't want Hawk gone until he gone. It's like getting to watch every Sox game with a fellow fan. Hawk makes me smile, he makes me laugh, he makes me angry, he's made me cry. It's going to being strange one day to have White Sox baseball without the Hawk. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 23, 2012 -> 01:24 AM) The problem with Hawk is that he dominates the broadcast and constantly cuts off Stone. I get really pissed off at times because I think Stone has a ton of insight to offer but his talent is limited with Hawk as his partner. I'm no Hawk hater but part of me is ready for a new PBP guy to team with Stone. Also, does anyone think Farmer would be an option? He's been a loyal solider for a while now and wouldn't be completely shocked if Reinsdorf pushed such an option. I just never want to see DJ in the TV booth again. 1.) Amen brotha. Great post. 2.) See 1. 3.) Fair criticism IMO. Sometimes it seems like Hawk is in a bad mood (not so much this year yet) and says some weird s*** to Stone or barks at him. I think they are both great, though. Or Stoney will say something and Hawk barks out something like "obviously." Overall I think they are the best. If I'm listening to a game at work and somebody hears the Hawk home run call, people inevitably start laughing and saying, 'put it on the board ... yes.' He's great.