The Beast

I didn’t realize the sky was falling. Who do you want to see coaching this team? How are 1 through 6 Nagy’s problem? The dude was signed to a five year deal. Why not get rid of the asshole who made the wrong moves, bring in another GM and have that GM evaluate what to do with Nagy? Remember how cash strapped teams will be and how they would be paying Nagy to go away. I’m just thinking of this more than one way rather than just firing Nagy. If I remember correctly, they have all but their fourth round pick next year. If they did a fire sale does the cap matter or do they have dead money?

I agree with you on Trubisky’s fumble and the massive face mask not called, I can’t necessarily fault him for that turnover. The offensive line is garbage and I don’t think Trubisky is as bad as Bears fans make him to be. I don’t know what they expect from their quarterback, it seems like some of them expect Mahomes or Manning in his prime out there. I thought some foolish Bears fans thought this was an elite and championship level defense. Where the hell were they last night? I am talking about firing Pace and giving Nagy one year, something that Angelo did with Jauron, Emery did with Smith and other teams have done per Danny Parkins. There is no question that they will have cap issues (what team won’t after this year?) but they will have draft capital. I wonder if it is possible for them to fire Pace and have the new GM consult with Nagy, who could be someone that could run his offense with capable players. I don’t think Andy Reid could win with the team as it is constructed. Rodgers is good but it is embarrassing how bad the defense was last night. They were already down two scores before the first interception. Quinn and Trevathan are on Pace, no doubt. Someone noted that but I still think Jackson’s production is way down this year. He and Mack don’t look like themselves out there. You have to keep Foles and draft a quarterback because you are stuck with Foles’ contract. I hope the reverse happens and they keep Nagy and fire Pace, but maybe it hinges on if they win out or not. The ownership group just can’t get out of their own way either with how bad the scouting and general managers have been.

Why is employer based insurance not sustainable? Sure it kind of sucks that people have to stay at their jobs for insurance and benefits to have them, but I don’t understand how health insurance as it is now isn’t sustainable. What I don’t understand is how some concessions on policy and a move toward the middle doesn’t deliver some ideas that progressives want. I always thought of Obamacare as that kind of compromise. What do people from those wings of the party want to see though? The progressives I know have been really quiet lately unlike they were in the primaries.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-10-thoughts-brad-biggs-20201130-k4qril2s6bdlnkwb4gvuybxpsm-story.html #3 and #5 in Biggs’ column are very good suggestions and questions to consider. These are questions for Pace. The other suggestion is keeping Nagy and letting Pace go and it is a discussion between Brad Biggs and Ross Tucker. I’m on my phone or I would quote it all like how it should be sourced properly. ”1. Do you feel you gave the coaching staff enough to work with on offense to play winning football this season or were there some parts you maybe couldn’t get because of a shortage of draft picks, certainly high ones, and perhaps budget or cap issues? 2. How do you account for the performance of Nick Foles? As the fallback plan for Mitch Trubisky and for a guy that was a Super Bowl MVP, has his play been perhaps the greatest surprise? 3. Your primary moves on the offensive line were signing two veterans to minimum, one-year deals, replacing the position coach and drafting two guys in the seventh round. In retrospect, and I realize there have been some injuries, why hasn’t that worked? 4. What struggles on offense this season did you envision being possible? It can’t be a complete surprise based off of what happened in 2019. 5. What are contributing factors to the precipitous decline of the offense from 2018 that perhaps you could have caught beforehand?“

Sounds awful. I’d rather see continuity for one more season than see a carousel and working on getting a top five pick only to get dicey with a high pick and picking a quarterback.

Sure, but the kind of play fans saw from the defense in 2018 isn’t there anymore. A lot of that has to do with players not performing and forcing turnovers.

Right and the democratic members of Congress mostly would want to do things like ban chokeholds or create more jobs with social workers or psychologists, not defund police forces. That kind of policy is horse shit that will never pass Congress.

He has looked awful in coverage and the ball hawking has been minimal.

Trevathan is slow and Kwiatkowski would have been better. Hicks not playing is a weak excuse for the defense performing like they have. Trubisky with bad throws. Horrible offensive line. Jackson is a ghost of his former self. Pace left the cupboard bare for Nagy with the Mitch and Mack trades. Where’s Mack? Does the defense really need Eddie Goldman to be good? Where’s a back to back up Montgomery? Misses on Skrine and Quinn. I just don’t buy that the bulk of the losing is on Nagy as much as it is Pace. “They didn’t look prepared for this game, so it is Nagy’s fault” is a poor excuse too. Who the hell are they going to bring in if they fire Pace and Nagy? Because I have a feeling there will be yet another carousel even after Pace and Nagy are gone.

It makes me wonder where never Trump conservatives go after the Trump rust goes away. Do they become blue dog Democrats or hope that the electorate votes for bread and butter moderates (the kind I like to vote for on the Republican side). I wish I knew who they wanted. She works for a liberal think tank and Wikipedia mentions her being a progressive (I know, Wikipedia). Short of Sanders, AOC, Tlaib and Omar being added to the cabinet I don’t know what will satisfy them.

What does it look like? I thought the one for Republicans for Biden was cool. I wonder if this guy will take his down or if he will leave it up for four more years while he waits for Trump to get another shot. I would also note that the Republican Congress is starting to get more diverse with some of the candidates they ran this time, but we will see if that trend continues, how their current policies go over with those constituents and how those policies will need to evolve to keep those constituencies. Is it just fear based like mentioning socialism in Miami Dade County or something more substantial in terms of policy?

Brock Osweiler is available.?

A family who lives down the road had Trump 2020 painted on their garage and after the election, painted over it although you can still see it if you look closely. A neighbor that lives across the street had all republican signs up (Rick Laib, Lori Hois, vote against the Illinois Fair Tax Amendment and Trump Pence) and then took them down. After Biden won, he put the Trump Pence sign back out there. He has a family with college kids and I am not sure what he and his wife do for work and I don’t have a rapport with him. But I would love to know his reason for keeping the sign up and how long it will stay up.

There is no question that his son has issues. Drug issues, marital issues and potentially shady business dealings. But like Biden, if my son had issues, I’d just say I love him and am proud of him. Thinking anything more about Hunter Biden or the crap Trump tried pulling just seems like a waste of time. I thought Hunter or Joe’s perceived mental acuity deficiencies would sink him at the polls and he would lose but that did not happen. People looked past the crap Trump was peddling and sent Biden to the office, no matter what the incumbent says about Biden outperforming Obama in swing states.

Worth reading: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/27/blame-game-erupts-over-trumps-decline-in-youth-vote-440811 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/26/trump-conspiracies-georgia-senate-440776

What do you guys think should be done to immigration laws, especially if the congress goes 50/50? Are any reforms from previous legislation relevant or helpful towards a new bill? I’m not looking for an “enforcing the laws” answer because there is much more nuance than that.

What of NWINFan’s post did you disagree with though? Let’s test the Cruz statement. Number one, Biden is not the president yet and they are due for a recess soon so there’s no shot something would get passed before they reconvene. Second, how are you sure they will win the two races in GA? Number three, the last I checked Mitch McConnell was the senate majority leader and directed legislation, not Joe Biden. A good question to consider is, what will senate Republicans consider a fair counter to the $2.2 trillion bill in the house.

What, shit? With what, specifically?

Sure, let the source who said it look like an idiot and give Cedric Richmond a chance to respond, which he did. You should also note that other senators have declined to come on and comment, something Chuck did say earlier in the segment.

I watch Meet the Press religiously, I think Chuck might have been referring to more lawsuits and certified states. He can’t control what his guests say and he always has lawmakers from both parties on. And he did push back throughout the interview, listeners should know how ridiculous Cramer sounded. I sat there shaking my head at Cramer.

I think in general, people believe things that cause them fear to be worse than they actually are. I do not like any far left or far right organizations and do not think movement is that widespread. You’re right, we will never meet any of these people. And when the protests happened and the looting happened, there were definitely opportunists that participated. But I don’t live my life in fear over it. Was the couple in St. Louis actually meeting antifa outside or just protestors? I lived in two high rises in Chicago. While there may be one security guard at the desks, good luck trying to get beyond them with the security systems in place. The looting is unlikely to resurface in Chicago like we saw this summer, that was more concentrated on the Michigan Avenue storefronts rather than residences. I live in the Chicagoland suburbs and have for most of my life. There is no way that kind of crap is coming to the suburbs like the president said it was going to. Either way Greg, it’s kind of silly to watch all of this stuff and live in fear. It’s unlikely that what you see will be replicated in your area to the extent of what you see in Portland. I’d have to see what their beef truly is to see if their threat is growing.

Is this your primary concern Greg? How big do you feel this movement is?

I also feel for the secret service agents who were put at risk when he held his rallies or had to drive him around during his hospital stay.

Can you guys explain what is meant by Biden or the democrats being practically republicans by some? What do you both think about how progressives and moderates interact in the electoral sense? What should moderates and progressives do to bring something home to their constituents that appeases both of them? Please provide the links you watch or have been watching in the thread so we can all see them.

I am of the opinion that there is no progress without centrist votes in Congress unless bills are just shoved down the other party’s throat. Centrists most certainly stand for something, for me I am for a public option for health care and am for pension reform in Illinois, which wouldn’t make me be a democrat in some people’s eyes. You also mention getting something in return, well, that is what horse trading under regular order and compromise is for. Each side can walk away and get something and if instead there is just gridlock and no deal to be had, that is when government is at its worst. I hope that doesn’t happen in the next Congress but who knows what will.