NO!!MARY!!!

Well, Bill Veeck himself called Comiskey Park “the world’s largest outdoor saloon” and there were drunken brawls in the stands. So I honestly can’t blame them for wanting to clean the place up. As for Harry, they made him an offer. He took less to go to the Cubs. I don’t hold them responsible for that. Caray didn’t want to work for them. Period. Einhorn was also a TV executive, he thought he could come in and be a loudmouth and bully everyone like he was used to doing in the world of television. It got so bad a PR firm they hired eventually told him to take a low profile. I did not forget any of that. I just think it’s only a matter of time before the new ownership says or does something to piss people off and make them vow never to go to the park again. It happened with Beck and the Allyns too.

I remember when new owners came in 1981 and changed the way the organization operated. They were greeted with anger, hostility, vows to never go near the park again, etc.

At least they tried. Ok. I’m sure if that happened here fans would say “at least they tried.”

Which annoys me to no end. f*** those so-called “fans.”

I don’t buy that at all. They won only one World Series, then broke up that team by letting the two biggest stars leave via free agency and starting a rebuild. You would be happy with that? Come on.

I see them moving in a few years. Ishbia and his brother own the Nashville Soccer club. He is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and sits on its board. There has been no talk of a stadium situation in a while. I think this deal was done to facilitate a move.

“Reportedly.”

Bill Veeck was still the owner in April, 1980. E&R did not take over until 1981.

If it is true that Ishbia is threatening the move, then they’re as good as gone. Nashville was first floated in 2023, before he was part of the equation, so he was either behind the scenes much earlier, or he’s jumping on the threat bandwagon. I find it hilarious and infuriating at the same time when fans who live a thousand miles outside of Chicago say “good riddance, I hope they move.”

My feeling is if the area around it hasn’t been developed by now, it never will be.

Downer post, but true. Also recall that in 2012 they were in 1st place most of the season and didn’t even crack 2 million in attendance. I don’t see that ever changing, especially now.

I wouldn’t call 42 years ago “recently.”

No, I am not.

To me it’s a funny thing that it’s 35 years old and still gets referred to as the “new” park.

Then that’s something they won’t be able to correct until they get a new stadium, because they’ll never be able to build up a “Comiskeyville” where they are now, because from my understanding the neighborhood won’t allow it. Even if they do, I still worry that it would flop because they’re the White Sox and they don’t have a large fan base.

It’s just that telescopic camera views of downtown have fooled people into thinking that downtown would be practically on top of the place.

I say this out of die hard cynicism, of course. Earlier in the thread I pointed out that old Comiskey never got the “Sacred Cathedral of the Holy Game” treatment during its lifetime and was trashed when it wasn’t being ignored. Also “new” Comiskey wasn’t trashed until Camden Yards came around, at least that’s my memory. I admit I could be wrong. The park was designed with Royals Stadium in mind, yet somehow that park escaped the constant criticisms of the second Comiskey. Also, there is the shadow of Wrigley Field looming large. They’ll never escape that. They could build the retro-iest ballpark in history and I truly believe we will hear, in Chicago and elsewhere “the White Sox *sneer* offer the phony retro atmosphere that Wrigley actually has (if you ignore the towering scoreboards and mostly-new bricks).”

Sure. Far off in the distance

If they ever build a retro style park in the footprint of Old Comiskey, the immediate reaction of pretty much everyone will be “retro parks are dead. The White Sox goof it up once again. Why did they abandon a perfectly good and serviceable park across the street for this outdated white elephant?”

OK.

NOT my point.

Exactly my point. The next time a sports radio guy Cubbie fan gushes about the 2016 Cubs, call in and tell him that the 2005 Sox’ 11-1 run and World Series sweep was more “impressive.” See what happens.

Let us not forget that after he threw his perfect game, Dave Bleephead immediately said that Kerry Wood’s 20 strikeout game was more “impressive.” Media idiots like Dan Bernstein glommed onto it and we were treated to “discussions” of what feat was more “impressive.” The enraging part for me is imagining if a Cub pitcher threw a perfect game and a Sox fan told a radio host that something a Sox pitcher did was more “impressive.” He would be dismissed as a jealous lowlife and laughed off the air.

No, he wouldn’t

1994 was an incomplete season.