NO!!MARY!!!

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) Here's something interesting.... Dan McNeil just said that he (McNeil) turned down the color commentator positition this week. I don't believe that, either.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) We all want to kick the Dybber, just a lot less after the 2005 season. Here's another name. George Foster. I don't want to kick the Dybber, never did. It wasn't his fault. Greg Fatassinski contributed his fair share of whiffs, though I don't want to kick his fat ass either. I'll leave that psycho bulls*** to Cardinal, Cub and Red Sox fans. George Foster was hardly obscure, but I remember him homering in his first White Sox at-bat, then doing nothing after. Hey, let's go kick his ass, man! Anybody remember Johnny Jeter, Rich Coggins or Luis Alvarado?

Mike North was never under consideration by the White Sox, despite anything that slobbering ape may say. He is making it sound like he is voluntarily stepping aside.

Amazing, isn't it? A rumor flys around about an "AL playoff outfielder" testing positive, and fans on other boards are giddy with hope that it is a White Sox and will lead to "another Black Sox scandal." Meanwhile a practically admitted user is a candidate for Sportsman of the Year? Is this someone's idea of a sick joke? If SI does this....well, nothing will happen. They're a mega-conglomerate and nothing I do will dent them. But this is outrageous. But oh, well. Consider the source. The Sox aren't marketable enough to be Sportsmen of the Year, so don't think about it.

Then let ESPN run a "computer series" between the Yankees and Red Sox like USA Today did two years ago for the Red Sox and Cubs. They could hype it as the Rubber Match That Should Have Been! and Chris Berman could do the play-by-play along with Tony Reali. I could see the commercial: "And on the seventh day, God rested." "And on the eighth day, God created the Yankees and the Red Sox." "And God said, go forth. Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth with Mickey, Joe, Ted, Carl, Manny, Derek, Pedro, Whitey, Yogi and Babe. And Thou shalt play in the American League Championship Series every year." "Then came the serpent into the garden of Fenway...." [picture of Ozzie Guillen celebrating] cue: Chris Berman's "Graff Error" voice: "Ohhhhhh, NOOOOOO!" The voiceover can finish with "Yankees. Red Sox. The ALCS that was ordained."

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:27 AM) Dybber was a backup infielder (about equal to Greg Norton in modern stadards), that over ran the base in the 83 ALCS. Many argue that in cost us the series. Ok, Lester. Do you want to kill Dybzinski with your bare hands too, Lester? Are you sure the three runs scored, anemic offense and pathetic performance by Greg Luzinski didn't contribute to the loss in some way, Lester?

My mother and grandfather attended game 1 of the series, sitting in the right field lower deck.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) What? No giant red letters? Giant red letters are special, and only used only for those who get under my skin and provoke a special kind of rage. eg, meida idiots who constantly bring up the Black Sox scandal as if it happened yesterday; and any posts I see which invoke the the name of that goof moron idiot doofus jackass dumbass idiot clueless ding dong brainless dumbstupid idiot moron Terry BEVINGTON!!!!! Now look what you've done.

Anybody on this board remember Mike Stanton with the 1985 White Sox? His stay was brief, but memorable. He was picked up on waivers after Seattle dumped him and his 6.00 ERA. He came into a game against Baltimore in the 9th inning with two out, no one on, and the Sox winning 6-3. He had to be pressed into service because Bob James injured his knee throwing a pitch. Anyway, Stanton didn't get one batter out, and topped off the stellar performance by giving up a game-winning, 3-run home run to Fred Lynn. A couple of weeks later he came into a game against the Yankees (the Fisk double play game, in fact) with two outs in the 9th and the Sox up 5-3. He promply gave up a two-run, game-tying home run to Dave Winfield. I was happy when he was gone. I never warmed up to Bobby Thigpen, either. Every 9th inning was an adventure with him, at least it seemed that way.

Which of the following never played for the White Sox? Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Jimmy Stewart Eddie Fisher Michael Jackson Gary Cooper

QUOTE(TLAK @ May 8, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) Tommy John How did the White Sox acquire Tommy John? Three way trade with Kansas City and Cleveland. They acquired Rocky Colavito from the A's (for Jim Landis I believe) then sent him to Cleveland for John Romano, Tommie Agee and Tommy John.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ May 8, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Carlos May - May 17 What famous rock star had a namesake White Sox infielder? Easy. Jim Morrison.

My faves from White Sox history are Fielder Jones, manager of the 1906 Hitless Wonders; Al Lopez, love him or hate him he was a brilliant manager who got the most out of players; Eddie Stanky, who shot off his mouth and took guff from no one, although it may have ultimately done the team more harm than good, especially in 1967. Special props to Lena Blackburne, who had his own special way of dealing with problem players like Art Shires- he beat them up. Well, at least he and Shires tangoed a couple of times. Gotta love any manager who isn't afraid to throw down when his player steps out of line. And you thought Ozzie was bad. The WORSTmanager ever in the history of the Chicago White Sox, in fact in the history of baseball and the whole entire HISTORY OF HISTORYwas that dumb, stupid, goofy, moronic, dumbass dips*** jackass idiot moron asswipe brainless stupid assclown BEVINGTON!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, okay. Maybe Bevington wasn't the worst manager in the history of history. Maybe Spiros, manager of the Spartan Olympic Discus Team, circa 355 B.C., was a worse manager than Bevington. But I doubt it!!!!! :fyou :fyou :fyou

BEVINGTON!!!! Who the hell brought that clown up? BEVINGTON!! BEVINGTON!!!!!!! :fyou :banghead

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Apr 19, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) From: Ottawa_Sox To: Moronotti, Jay Subject: YOU You are a hack paper seller, in the esteemed tradition of Freddie Lounds. As such, you repressent a very poor example of 'credible': 1. Capable of being believed; plausible. 2. Worthy of confidence; reliable. Your bias and low brow pot-stirring is best described by the word 'unbelievable'. A Red Dragon reference. Cool.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 8, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) The basis for the claim is the absense of starts from 9-5 to 9-19. There is no mention of Eddie being hurt after winning 9-1 & therefore there are at least two start opportunitites there for Eddie to earn that bonus. If you can find a reference to his being hurt then I will accept your claim. Otherwise it seems as if Comiskey purposefully skipped his starts. Some links for your perusal: http://www.baseball1.com/carney/index.php?storyid=223 http://www.baseball1.com/carney/index.php?storyid=232 http://www.thediamondangle.com/marasco/hist/cicotte.html

The Cicotte benching story is a complete and total myth and a slanderous lie tossed into "Eight Men Out" by Eliot Asinof. According to Rich Lindberg, Cicotte was in on the fix by the time the White Sox clinched the pennant in September. Cicotte started the last game of the season and had 29 wins then, but the Sox lost that last game. John Sayles bent the facts for the movie version, which sympathized with the poor, underpaid wretches. Lindberg exhaustively researched it and found no evidence to suggest that the benching story is true. It is mentioned in only one sentence in "Eight Men Out": "...it was said that Comiskey had him benched." That's it. One sentence, and one that offers only speculation; not disturbing, inconvenient details like facts or evidence.

I now read in Phil Rogers that it might be Magglio Ordonez. He says that they are going to meet with him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 22, 2005 -> 01:07 AM) I don't know if TLJ is a Sox fan, but I do know he's a big time jerk. He amde a movie down here ... U. S. Marshalls, I believe. He was a rude, arrogant, pompous ass. I've heard that, too.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 20, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) Tommy Lee Jones is a Sox fan. He is? Isn't he from Texas? I'm surprised to see that. And while everyone is on the subject of Al Capone, Eliot Ness mentions in the book The Untouchables going to Comiskey Park to see the White Sox play the Yankees, and Ted Lyons striking out Babe Ruth twice. One of his fellow agents cheered "like a kid" according to Ness. Colonel Donald P. Conroy, the real-life "Great Santini" was indeed a White Sox fan. In fact, the book mentions the Sox a few times. Robert Duvall mentions them once in the movie. Two great Chicago writers were also White Sox fans: Nelson Algren and James T. Farrell. They mention the Sox several times in their books. As for living White Sox fans, other posters pretty much covered them. Most, if not all, A-list celebs from Chicago are *sneer* Cub fans. One famous White Sox fan that no one had mentioned is former Vice-President Dan Quayle. Take that for what it's worth.

First of all, let me say that when it comes to the White Sox, I am the worst pessimist in the world. That being said, here is what I think will happen, and I will take it to the bank: Magglio will sign with the Cubs. Chicago media has extended orgasm. The Cubs will win the National League pennant, and I'd bet they'll win the World Series. At the very least, they'll win the division. Ordonez will be a key contributor. As for the White Sox, get ready for another year of mediocrity, abuse, low attendance, and Thomas on the DL, to be joined by the banged-up Jermaine Dye. Sorry, but when it comes to the White Sox, that is as optimistic as I am going to get.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I think most of it is tongue-in-cheek. I do object to number 2, for reasons I have stated elsewhere.WE deserve it because of what happened in 1919? Those f***ing jagoff bastard mother bleep bleep bleep bleepity bleeps need to get serious. I hate s*** like that. I truly hate it.

The Hitless Wonder factor lives! A couple of years ago, I got tired of all the blahblahblah about the infernally stupid "ex-Cub" factor, so I did a little research on my own and found an "ex-Sox" factor. That is, a team having three or more ex-Sox has pulled off a tremendous comeback to win the pennant, pulled off an upset to win the World Series, or both. I call it the "Hitless Wonder" factor, after the 1906 White Sox, who came back from 9 games down to win the AL pennant and beat the winningest single season team in baseball history (the Cubs, 116-36) in a World Series upset. Sometimes, the ex-Sox contribute mightily, as only they can. So the teams are: 1968 Detroit Tigers: Norm Cash, Don McMahon, Denny McLain. I'm fudging on McLain, because he never played a league game with the White Sox, but he did play with them in spring training and wore the uniform, so the magical Sockie pixie dust rubbed off on him. The Tigers won the AL pennant going away (thanks to McLain's 31 wins) then fell behind 3 to 1 to a superior Cardinal team. They came back to win the series, getting a must-win Game 6 win from McLain. Norm Cash's .385 average also contributed. I don't know if the Cardinals were favored or not, they were a faster team and had Bob Gibson. I'll say they were. Now that I am a serious baseball writer, I am allowed to make stuff up as I go along. 1969 New York Mets: Tommie Agee, Al Weis, J.C. Martin. Everyone knows their story. Down 10.5 games to the Cubs, they roared back to win the NL East, win the NL and beat the mighty Baltimore Orioles in a tremendous upset. Agee, Martin and Weis ALL made significant World Series contributions. Agee with his spectacular catches, Martin with his famous sacrifice bunt, and Weis with his game 5 home run. Where all these bunts, bops and breathtaking catches were in 1967 when the White Sox needed them is a mystery. 1978 New York Yankees: Bucky Dent, Goose Gossage, Jim Spencer, Bob Lemon. The mother of them all!!! Down by 14.5 games to the eternally woeful, suffering, suffering Boston Red Sox, the Yankees roared back to tie them for the AL East. The one game playoff went down in history of course, with Bucky Dent hitting a historic home run that would help beat the Red Sox and give the Boston media, Doris Kearns Goodwin, John Updike and Dan Shaugnessy reams and reams of useful material. Goose Gossage closed out the Red Sox in the 9th. Dent was also the World Series MVP. 1997 Florida Marlins: Bobby Bonilla, John Cangelosi, Alex Fernandez, Don Pall, Russ Morman, Jim Leyland. First wildcard team to win the World Series. Sur- prised the Atlanta Braves in the playoffs (who the hell hasn't?) and beat the Indians in the World Series, which I believe is considered an upset. They were also down to their last three outs in Game 7 before tying it and winning in extra innings. Donn Pall and Russ Morman didn't play in the postseason, but like McLain they spread the magical Sockie pixie dust around Joe Robbie Stadium. 2004 Boston Red Sox: Alan Embree, Keith Foulke, Ron Jackson (hitting coach) Ellis Burks. Now Burks only played for them briefly, and Jackson was only a hitting coach, but again, it's all about the dust. They pulled off the most astonishing historical comeback in baseball postseason history, being down 0-3 and down to their final three outs. They roared back, as only a team with the Hitless Wonder factor on their side could, beat the Yankees and pushed aside the 105 win Cardinals. Keith Foulke was a major contributor in both the ALCS and the World Series. Of course! I was a bit unsure about this one, because the Yankees have 4 ex-Sox on their roster; Kenny Lofton, Tanyon Sturtze, Esteban Loiaza and Tom Gordon. So it would reason that the "ex-Sox" factor is baseless, right? WRONG! I did a little research, and the 2004 Yankees have six ex-Cubs (Lofton, Sturtze, Gordon, Jon Lieber, Miguel Cairo, Donovan Osborne). So since they had more ex-Cubs than ex-Sox, the ex-Cub factor trumps the ex-Sox factor. Likewise, Boston had fewer ex-Cubs than the Yankees (four: Bellhorn, Mueller, Ricky Guiterrez and Terry Francona), hence their victory. They had the same number of ex-Cubs as the Cardinals (four: King, Tavarez, Womack, LaRussa) but the Cardinals have fewer ex-Sox (two, Eldred and LaRussa) so in this case the ex-Sox factor trumped the ex-Cub factor. Dumb? Stupid? A pile of dung? Maybe. But the ex-Cub factor is legendary, so why not an ex-Sox factor? EDIT: This, by the way, applies to teams since 1960, the year after the White Sox' last pennant. If anyone has any examples I missed, I'd love to hear of them.

I do a very slow BURN when I read s*** like this. OK, blame the players, blame Comiskey. Whatever. Doesn't matter to me. All of the players who threw that series are DEAD!! THEY'RE FREAKING DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GONE! DUST! DIRT! VAMOOSE!! GOODBYE!!! Comiskey is dead as well. So the current players and fans deserve mediocrity, deserve to be "punished" for something that happened 90 Frickin' frackin' years ago?????? OK! The series was thrown. Get the HELL over it!! I mean, do I have to recite a list of all baseball teams' crimes against humanity? Starting with the "Black Skin" Scandal? You know that one. Any ballplayer being caught in posession of black skin was banned from baseball permanently. The Boston Red Sox were a long- time perpetrator of this, and even turned down a chance to sign Jackie Robinson in 1944. And look, it only took them 60 years to recover. This one reason I hate sportswriters and others of their ilk. Well, I can't say I HATEthem, just all of the bulls*** that they foist onto the sporting public. Ridiculous. Jerks. :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou EDIT: knightni, In reading this, it seems as if my venom is aimed at you. It is not. It is aimed at the utter jackass you cited in your post. Just don't want a misunderstanding.