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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) So you're telling me that you don't see any drop off at all in him from AAA to MLB? i hope it is true. i really want to see you succeed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) lol. OK. I have read the Sox Forbes page for years, and I don't remember seeing anything like the warning you are talking about. If there is something out there I don't know about, I'd like to see it. You can stop the personal attacks anytime now. so do i and i usually get on their web site to research things. esp after the last time the topic of the sox income and other things were mention. i did my research all the way back to 2001 ..... but i didn't want to rehash the subject. it is pretty much as i have always maintain and i will leave it at that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) lol. OK. I have read the Sox Forbes page for years, and I don't remember seeing anything like the warning you are talking about. If there is something out there I don't know about, I'd like to see it. You can stop the personal attacks anytime now. that wasn't an attack. do you think i would be dumb to verbally attack a mod / admin. i don't think so. anyway i have nothing but the highest respect for yous guys. btw, a couple of days ago, someone else mention this exact same thing, yet you did not say anything to that poster. very inconsistent.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) Sox haven't had someone capable of his electric defensive plays in the outfield since...well I don't know...I suppose Brian Anderson. Rowand obviously was capable of the spectacular catch but had nowhere near the defensive tools of Trayce. That catch was incredible. Sox have been such an unathletic team over the years and as the league has shifted to being pitching-centric, athleticism has become so much more critical (defense and baserunning). this is a question, not an argument. did you really think rowand was all that in the defensive side??? i really agree with the brian anderson comment.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) I don't see this. Care to share? i read it somewhere ....when i was looking up other forbe articles on this yearly profit and income. i also remember where they mention that they deal with the actual money that is listed. they also said that they do not count for the accuracy of that, b/c of the lawyer and accounts of the org know what they are doing. so in essence you want to find a little tidbit on the net of this proof .... get real . quit be being or acting like a troll on everything like you know it all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I'd be curious to see how you know this. b/c they have stated as such in their yearly post, with added disclaimer. they do this so they will not be blame for fabricating info to an article.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I am pretty sure that Forbes is smart enough to figure that stuff out. They study companies WAY more complex than the Chicago White Sox on a daily basis. they have a set of parameters they deal with. the profit lost and other resources that affects the profit and lost. they do not delve into the others hidden resources or secondary companies b/c it is not dealing with the actual sox org.. that is why all these big companies spends millions on excellent corporate lawyers and corporate accountants. to find that elusive and legal way of dealing with the money.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) I don't understand how vilifying the fanbase and taking the focus off the real culprits (JR, KW, Hahn, Bell and Ventura) is helpful at all. Obviously, complaining about the obvious shortcomings of that aforementioned group is pointless, but no more so than expecting blind allegiance to a leadership group that hasn't given us much reason to have faith or hope is a course many reasonable/rational consumers will take. Simply a matter of consistently diminishing returns from being a Sox fan. Want to compete in 2017? Either Fulmer emerges as an All-Star to complement Rodon or Hahn risks his career trading Quintana or Sale for someone like Puig. We have a bunch of replacement level or below starters on our roster, other than Abreu and Eaton. Possibly Cabrera, but you can't count on him and certainly not when he's two years older in 2017 (when they will of course hold onto him just like with Danks and Dunn and even Ventura as manager.) Hell, we might as well sign Iwakuma/Latos/Beachy/Fister just to watch that blow up in Hahn's face as well...then we can block Erik Johnson for another year and hold him back for that promised pennant drive in 2017 or 2018. PS. Surely Mike Olt will sell at least 28 season tickets as a member of the Sox caravan. nice post, the needs to really invest into helping rebuild the team where it can compete.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) If you didn't see it, you really should. I am trying to remember a better defensive play this year, and I cannot. The gif doesn't do it justice as he covered some major ground just to get into position for the full extension dive. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/649227806489055232 http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/video/v50913...Id=clubMEGAMENU many thanks for that...... it was indeed a great catch.

QUOTE (shipps @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) God I hope he hits next year. I really want this dude to be star. my god, i just wish he can hit consistently ..... this was a true diving catch. not some of those fake diving catches one would see highlighted on esp. fantastic catch.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) I know at this point the difference between pick 8 and pick 9 (or 11 and 12) is essentially meaningless, but then I go back to the last couple drafts and if we were just one spot higher in both we miss out on both guys we wanted. for me, i think drafting #8 and #11 is being in the top 10 protected list. i just don't want to give a natural excuse to the owners for not signing anyone in the FA list. now draft #8 and #11 is drafting a player who i hope will be there. i have 2 players for now, that i love to see the sox draft in the top 15. but like anything else, it is a long way from draft day.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Looks like this guy is a part time writer, backup guy for CSN. I sent a note to Dan Hayes to at least run it through the editing wash one more time - something I have never done before. But this is pretty bad. way to go.... lots of guts.

is it me or is there definitely of change in shark and his approach or type of quality of pitches he is throwing????

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 01:01 AM) Yeah, I know who they are. And perhaps "historic" was a poor choice of words. But if the Sox are going to trade Quintana, I expect it to be for MLB talent, such as Puig. While these are three solid prospects, I still don't think it's enough for the 7th best pitcher in baseball on such a cheap contract. you make a great point..... expectations of value..... what we expect and what the rest of the league expect are 2 different things. all that fans knows something big needs to happen and i am in that group. however, this is the sox owners and their frugal approach to things. yeah they will go out and spend, and if it fails, do not make a move to correct it. only once did they make such a move, and that was jeff keppinger .... but i doubt it would happen again. i just hope they really don't gut the farm on the key prospects to get the pieces needed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 12:48 AM) I actually laughed out loud at that statement. I am not quite sure what an economist would do with financial statements, but it would be entertaining to watch. Also the idea of demanding that a sports franchise should have to be subject to an audit just for the sake of the fans is laugh out loud funny. I won't even get into the false dichotomy of being worth a lot of money meaning that you automatically have the ability to spend it on something else. he is not saying that.... i think you know that.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 01:14 AM) My point is there is plenty of evidence showing the Sox could actually spend a lot more money if they wanted to both at the major league level and the minor league system. I've heard from two individuals over the years with connections to the Sox Board of Directors. They have told me on separate occasions the Sox haven't lost money in years. But feel free to keep blaming the fans who pays the freight instead of the millionairs with all the financial advantages. That's your choice and I laugh out loud at anyone who takes that approach. Mark my disclaimer ~ i am with you on all this. but i would like to add something . now, the source have stated that the owners haven't lost money, in yrs. now for some clarification. is that from the main company. the sox org or is that from all the secondary companies that they have set up. like the chi sports grill company. which is associated directly with the sox org and is in sox park. they also provide all the vending lease and licenses and supplies for the vendors. i think it is both..... that corp and commercial income is huge and is not considered in the final tally at the end of the day.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Semien is a solid player, but if he's the best you give up in a trade for a possible top pitcher, then it's a deal you have to make. I see no reason why Anderson can't be a better SS than Semien. God knows I'm not the biggest Samardzija fan, but I think all of us were fine with who the Sox gave up at the time. Just too bad Samardzija flopped. i with and admin talked on the pm when the trade went down. we decided not to voice our displeasure of the trade. i hated it b/c i always thought shark was over rated. however, and i will admit i brought into the idea of this team making a run for the playoff and even go longer in the playoff. now, and i am saying that the state of the team, forced this trade. where the whole sentiment would have been different if the sox made the playoff, that is not the case. it was a gamble and it had to be made. pretty much as some of the ideas of trading some promising young prospect, which i would hate to admit, but it will needed to help this team. i can even see this. when there is a trade, it will always be a gamble that it works.... and on this trade with shark and others, it didn't

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) Just checked the thread where we signed LaRoche and only a couple posters were against the move at the time, and even those posters thought the worst case scenario was a 1 WAR type season. But now everyone is coming out of the woodwork saying they knew he was a bum all along. There was risk due to his age of course, but there are still plenty of old guys doing well this year (A-Rod, Beltran, Burnett, etc.), the problem was we were screwed if he didn't perform because of our other holes. The good news is he's only here one more season and his contract is far from top $$. It was a relatively low risk move that didn't work out. He wasn't blocking anyone, and if we hadn't decided to try and compete this year 2016 probably wasn't going to have high expectations either. thanks for doing to leg work, i was too lazy. hindsight really is in play here.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) Pay top $$ for stars, not replaceable bums. Laroche? GMAFB. A decent organization signs guys like that off the street! ok... i like to see you get john smith off the street to do better. but then again what this is called is hind-sight. where was your complaining last yr????

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:11 PM) No its not a bad idea, but I would like to use some of our internal guys and see if there is anything there. If not we can move on from them and if there is we either have a long term piece or a more valuable trade chip than a rental. but all of them may not be ready. i would rather have seen more of johnsons to see if he has regain his form. for me, he is still a question mark. last yr, the sox went with several question marks and failed.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) Wrigley Field is a gross old dump national treasure that renders any comparison pointless. Nobody should be compared to the Cubs. They are an anomaly. No argument comparing Sox and Cubs attendance should go more than ten posts without somebody acknowledging this. So here's the acknowledgement. you do make a valid point, however the sox had a opportunity to really do something and take over the media attentions. if the sox has won division titles and continued to be in the running for the playoff or in the playoff, they would have been a winner and sports news love a winner. look at the yanks, dodgers etc.... the owners didn't want to spend the money and claim poor us, we do not have the resources to compete yet in the 90/s they were bringing in 2.9 mil in attendance.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) how many people in these few threads today have complained that the Sox don't spend enough on players? I don't recall many if any at all. The problem is they are stupid and short-sighted. $40 million in salary down the toilet this year on 4 bums they acquired. Decades of playing cheap with the minor league system. Finally that seems to have been changed a couple years ago, but assuming that problem is solved it will take another 5-10 years to see the full benefit. you are obsessing with the 40 mil..... i think that in itself is subjective .... btw, i have been one of the biggest component of the sox not paying enuf. i think the nice discussion with ss2k5 is proof of this point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) If you are going to live in the past, at least get the details right. The Cubs have existed for a long time before Jed and Theo got here. The passing of the Sox fan base didn't just happen in the last couple of years. That fan loyal fan base gives the franchise the ability to manage their team with a lot more options. Even before Ricketts bought the team, TribCo had one of the worst ownership reputations out there, and guess what... the Cubs still outdrew the Sox. I see many saying that what ownership has done hasn't worked, but how has what the fan base has done worked out? No matter the competence or incompetence level of White Sox management, they will always have a narrower window of opportunity, and fewer tools at their disposal to build a team because of their fan base dynamics. I am not sure why people take such personal offense to that fact, but it is reality, and it should be acknowledged. When you have fewer resources, it is going to be harder to do the same job as someone who has more resources. Any mistakes will be amplified and magnified because they will have less ability to absorb the consequences from that mistake. People who only want to talk about ownership are missing the forest for the trees. This is a question of resources, not being offended because your feelings are hurt by a truth. Now many will only see part of the post and start naming calling again, but what it boils down to is the more resources you can throw at a problem, the most chances you have at solving the problem. It is like wanting to retire, but not funding your 401K, and then wondering why your bank account is so small. Get past the hurt feelings and realize what it means to the franchise. SS2k5, you make a very compelling counter.... really but i will go to the attendance. in the early 80-85 the sox outdrew the other team 86-90 the sox barely made 1.0 and i think that was the sportvision time. i am be wrong on the time. 90-94 the sox kick the other team arse. 2.9 thru 2.5 96 - thru to the other stats, has been dominated by the norht side. i am not offended by this or by as you say the truth according to you. the truth of the matter, the sox have had opportunities to really take over the chi media and yet, the short sightedness of the present owners have prevented it. how many ways does this needs to be explain. now the sox has set up secondary companies to max the profit without running under the umbrella of the sox org. there is the real profits are, the north iside never did this and will after their tv deal ends with CSN. so again, you are saying that the sox do not have the resources and again you are wrong. you choose to believe the stats that the company wants to spew without even giving it a second thought. no offense but are you really that gullible.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) LDF: The fact that the Sox basically were not able to be seen by Chicagoans when they first moved to WFLD (because of the technical issues as well as older TV sets not getting the channel without a converter box) and then SportsVision for the 80's meant generations of kids grew up as Cub fans because that's basically all they could get. It was a major decision that badly impacted the franchise in my opinion. Mark i am with you on that, but i really didn't want to bring up that. but that is a great point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) I didn't say anything, because I was wondering if it was just me... The regular usage of fielding percentages was another messing item that stood out to me. either way, many thanks for getting the info to us.