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nice and great reading. what came to mind was the prospect, and i can't remember his name. he came to camp and they left for a year or two. then he came back this yr. do any remember this story .... who he is??

QUOTE (MEANS @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Do you not follow hip hop that closely? Cause if you do that's a pretty established fact. no i do not follow hip hop. but i thought it was all dre i am wrong in my thinking.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) I don't think they will sign anyone either, but I like for them to be able to give up a second round pick instead of a first if they decided to surprise everyone. oh i want to say more, but i wait till after the season. like you said, they may surprise many and sign a player like heyward or something.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) Yeah, SOC was great. If anything, liking it gives you street cred. i don't know how. but it was a great movie. they could've easily made this movie longer esp in the muz videos section and with tupac section. plus their aversion to being hooked up with any gangs images.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 03:47 AM) And that my friends is what White Sox baseball has come to. (Not blaming the fans...you take solace with what you can get...) Mark i just want, for my selfish reason, to get the protected 10 and show to the rest of the sox fans that they will not sign what is needed ..... instead they MAY go and get another retread.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 03:52 AM) I mean really the friggin' nerve of some people. Actually COMPLAINING about five , count em' FIVE World Series appearances in 155 years! Can you believe them!!!!!!!!!!! (LOL) I mean they won three of them right? All is well in the world!!! Look at the bright side, they are still ahead of the Marlins in World Series titles!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark all the while the owners group have been making money

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 02:52 AM) Congrats to Jose. One of the few players on offense to earn his money. Mark i would also put eaton up there as well. considering how he stated off and where is avg is now....

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 02:51 AM) that is a great poster.

the hawks lost.... darling in the nets. i know this is preseason, but i still don't have confidence in darling. but what in hades do i know compared to coach Q.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 02:51 AM) Why would you get flamed for liking an awesome movie? i don't know, maybe i was being silly at the time. i really enjoyed it and seeing the history. i never knew ice-cube was that talented of a lyricist .... i read up on where are they now on the google. that 1 guy who was always talking of getting laid, he became a pornstar and owned his own adult entertainment movie company. that is way to funny. that suge knight had about 500 mil + when dre left and thru all his legal battles and jail time he is now worth something like 300 K.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) Go Royals, Mariners, Pads and Tigers. This is going to be fun to see who's doing the most obvious tanking. but it won't be the sox.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) all those teams in the early '90s who were kinda good, probably contend for wild card, if it was around then. those teams in the early '00s who were also kinda good, might have had a chance to back in to the 2nd wild card spot. So there's that. very interesting comparison. i really never thought of that in that way. what i saw is, if they had the wild card, the success of those teams would have had a whole different outcome esp in the fan base and attendance. all that was needed was a catalyst to start the ball rolling for a better success story. what could have been ......

ok, i am ready to get flame. i just saw straight outta compton and i like it. no matter what these guys, NWA really deserved a movie like this. not bragging or any of that, but it is a story of how it all started. very nice.

QUOTE (shipps @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 07:19 PM) If I had a nickel for every time I had to tell kyyle and ss2k5 "many thanks" I would be an extremely rich man. that is the great part of these kind of forum, no one is going to be right 100% of the time and some can learn things.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:52 PM) With that philosophy Toews and Kane would be wearing other jerseys this year. if you want to take that out of this whole conversation, then so be it. i can dispute that which is what you derived from this. there is always going to be exceptions to the rule. anyway we are not talking about toews and kane we are discussion seabs and his contract. 2 different subjects. it does not over lap. this time i am done. it was a nice discussion. peace.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) There is one team in the NHL that has made the playoffs for more than 10 years straight. There is one team in the NBA that has made the playoffs for more than 10 years straight. There are 0 MLB teams that have made the playoffs for 10 years straight. Franchises go through down times. It WILL happen to the Hawks. They have already won three cups. Keep this core intact for as long as you can, and you figure out what happens when it ends. Because it will. all true but lets not the team maneuver themselves to where it will happen sooner b/c of salary cap restrictions. let the team have flexibility to continue to improve while winning championships.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) Everyone wants to keep the core together. Until they have to re-sign them. very true to some extents. overpaying is not a case. i keep coming back to the phillies run and how they tried to keep everyone together. then their run is over and they were laden with some unmovable contracts. i like the improvement thru attrition philosophy .....

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) But your "length" argument was based on information you didn't have. What myself and others are trying to do is inform you WHY they made it 8 years. Do you really think they prefer having a player signed until age 39? They did it for a reason. We are explaining why to you, a point you didn't understand in the past. btw, i hope i didn't offend you with my posts... i really meant no offense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Am I the only one who saw how shallow our D core was last year after a couple of injuries to the not top players? nice example. but the key there is experience dman who knows how to play and to play in Q system. it also didn't help trading away key future dmans whether it was a good trade or not. i agree, the hawks needs to draft more dman. and develop them. but how do you get those dman experience??

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) The DiPietro deal was awful. Tampa was lucky enough to use the compliance buyout on LeCavalier. Those aren't very good examples. The long-term deals made much more sense under the old cap, the new CBA is much harder to circumvent. You are actually held responsible for the whole deal, even if they retire early. you make a great point. creatively i can see the pluses of such a deal, esp when it was done for keith, hossa etc.... but the cap is hard.... no wriggle room .

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) But your "length" argument was based on information you didn't have. What myself and others are trying to do is inform you WHY they made it 8 years. Do you really think they prefer having a player signed until age 39? They did it for a reason. We are explaining why to you, a point you didn't understand in the past. i understand your point and explanation. but for me, it comes down to the length of the contract with no outs after 5 yrs. sometimes it is wise to cut bait and walk away. seabs didn't offer any help to the org, let him walk. use the money in a different way. that is if he and his agent did not want to sign a fair contact for a fair amount of yrs (5yrs). if not, after 2015-2016 season he is a free agent. i am sure the hawks could get a nice younger dman in the fa next yr. btw, many posters sure wasn't keen on him before.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) It's really quite simple. When you sign a contract, whatever the total cost of the contract is, they take that total salary and average it out over the length of the contract. So a 5 year deal worth 100 million would see Player X getting paid a 20 million dollar average salary per season that would count against the salary cap. Now, the Blackhawks could pay that player 40 million dollars in cash in year one, and only have to pay 60 million to that player over the next four years, but it would still be 20 million dollar cap hit per season. Using simple logic, the more years you add to a contract, the average salary cap hit decreases because the money is spread out over more years. Don't have an argument with someone if you don't know enough about the topic. i am not arguing about the money but the length, and i believe someone else was doing the same. btw, i was not arguing or ranting, i was in a discussion, and out of this i learned something new....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 07:10 PM) Cap hit is based on a dollar average of all of the years of a deal. The reason these deals go so long is to put low paying years at the end, to balance out the high years at the front. Instead of just paying the guy 9 million a season for the next four years, they included cheaper years at the end, so that the average is lower, and thus the cap hit is lower. It is an 8 year deal in name only. Also the Hawks are FAR from the only team to do that. That is why Rick DiPietro got a 15 year contract. Vincent Lecavalier got an 11 year deal. Sidney Crosby got a 12 year deal. the explanation is fantastic ... many thank for the info. but while it is helpful, it does not provide any wriggle room at the end, unless buying out of the contract is an option.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 07:00 PM) If the entire contract doesn't exist, the cap hit is MUCH higher because the years that bring the average down are not included. you may be right, i can't dispute this. this is much more info than i do know. i will keep it simple. 5yr is a great length of a contract anything more is a waste. only time will tell if i am wrong. but nothing can be done about it. it is a moot point.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 06:39 PM) They don't need to add a 1st round pick. Nikitin from EDM actually has a worse contract than Bickell, it just expires after this year. I could see Bickell and McNeil for Nikitin work. nice hope... but why would any team really want to help the hawks??? think of this, this way. arz had what they thought was a good pkg, Stan B wanted more, it didn't work. Arz went out and got a contract for dead money of 4.9+ mil a yr for 2 more yrs for a player who is basically out of the league due to an injury. this was nothing abut a trade for the creative bookkeeping maneuver that is a loop hole in their cba. the point i am making is arz needed this trade to get them to the cba salary cap floor. they had room to make this kind of trade. i don't know if any other team need this kind of help. but the price for this help with philly was big, a dman and a high draft pick plus philly is to pick up 600K in salary for the dman. as i want to point out. no other team will be willing to help the hawks, esp when they are trying to win #4 SC.