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QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Trading Q for anything short of an Arenado type player would be a mistake. Moving him would leave a big hole in the rotation. here is an honest question, while i agree about the hole in the rotation, are you over valuing Q worth??? be honest. i know you said Arenado type player.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) Being that I've been beating the drum for Heyward for awhile now, I will say that this is kinda what I want. People here are quick to dismiss, but it's our offseason , we were terrible, let me dream. That OF would cover so much ground it would be stupid. No more Hawk saying Kansas City Special. it really is up to the FO and higher ups to dictate the amount to spend and will, i hope fields questions from the gm. i just hope they do it right and esp get a marquee player who will excite the fan base.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) He talked about how he started to swing earlier in counts to make more contact. His walk rate went down with his K rate because he was seeing fewer pitches per plate appearance. i hope he comes back with a vengeance next yr.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:46 PM) 670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 32m32 minutes ago Teuvo Teravainen to join Jonathan Toews, Marian Hossa on #Blackhawks' top line to open season: http://cbsloc.al/1VzA9OA interesting ... i really thought it might be Panarin. to tell you the truth, i wish it was.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) The U.S. and Canada are enough for me being hispanic... i should be happy, but there is a huge undercurrent of mexican mafia and the drug cartell there. or am i being overly paranoid.

has anyone seen the new format of the mlb rumor page???? it sucks.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:19 PM) You accuse me of having a pea size intellect when you write cleaver instead of clever and sentences like "for you major size of your pea size intellect"? What the f*** is that supposed to mean anyways? Is that English? How exactly are you saying keep the Bulls out of the equation when in an earlier post you listed the Bulls as a revenue stream for the owners. If JR solely owned the teams he could take a hit on the Sox because of the Bulls success, but as just one of many owners, some of which are part of both teams but not all, he cannot do that. He has a responsibility to look out for the other owners. Think of it this way, if you and me owned a business together and decided to sell, how would you feel about me wanting to accept a lower offer because I have an additional successful side business that you are not part of? I would bet you wouldn't be very happy. If JR overspends on the White Sox he is basically taking money out of the rest of the ownership groups pockets to fund his pet project. you disappoint me, i thought you weren't going to respond anymore. btw, ref the bold, yes you are right and after someone mention this point to be more precised in my statement, i then change in mid stream and i even said to keep the bulls out of it. several times. you are so determine to concentrate on what was posted before. hence the pea size intellect comment. i will not try to compete in english when i know will loose by a huge margin. many knows that. this is a second language for me.... but i try. so keep your insulting coming, it just show you do not have any major leg to stand on except for a few isolated sentence. the point is, the sox owners can afford to loose for 1 yr and make it up in the following yrs in many ways. and again i stated that coro acct and lawyers and for this fact, business mangers will more than likely protect their interest..... all the while having the owners blame the fans.

many thanks for yours and all who labored at getting this done. can you answer this, i still think the lion share of top prospects are the pitchers but when i see the pitchers category, i see the RP having more, imo top prospects. how do you guys see it.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore but I will say you are dead wrong. The finances of the Bulls have nothing to do with the finances of the Sox. While JR is the majority owner and the face he still has to look out for the other investors. Every time I read one of your posts I think of an old saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". That would be good advice for you to take. cleaver.... and btw, 2 things. get the list of those on the board for both the sox and bulls and compare. and second, for you major size of your pea size intellect, how many times i am saying keep the bulls out of the equation.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) Seriously, after seeing how BAD our defense was this year, I would really be curious to see us just LOAD UP on defensive talents and see how much better our pitching staff really becomes. Acquire someone like Kevin Pillar for CF. Have Eaton-Pillar-Thompson in the OF. Put Saladino at 3B, acquire Hech from the Marlins and have him play SS, or take Simmons from the Braves. Leave Carlos Sanchez at 2B. This team would continue to suck at scoring runs, but our defense and pitching would be other worldly. i like it. snarky......

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) I've got to wonder at what point does the cratering attendance start to bother JR? Or is attendance truly not affected? But yeah, players can get shipped out and many have (many way too late) but you're right--I've never got the sense that KW's job was in jeopardy since 2005, and he seems to know that. Obviously the Cubs had a plan, and it's paying off big-time now. The Hawks had a plan that Rocky didn't waste any time implementing when he took over. And in that case, Savard was the coach and a sentimental favorite (like you could argue Ventura is) but they didn't waste any time showing him the door to hire Q. Where is that urgency here? I guess what I'm saying is it all falls on JR because KW and management aren't going to fire themselves--only he can do that. We can only live off of 2005 for so long. We deserve better as fans--it's a great fanbase, a great park and should be a worthy rival to the Cubs for Chicagoans' attention. I don't get why we think keeping the same people in charge will produce anything different when it hasn't for 10 years. Before anybody mentions 2008 let's not forget that in reality was a battle between us and Minnesota to see who could blow it and lose the central, and sure enough even though the Blackout game was great fun we got smoked in the first round of the playoffs. excellent point. the fans may be really apprehensive on the fluff coat of paint being applied when they still see the main problem of terminates eating away at the foundation.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:27 PM) None of that has anything to do with what I wrote. I made no mention of the 2005 roster. I was explaining one way that the standard for offense in baseball has gone down in the last ten years. I referred to 2006 because that was the year Brian Anderson got his shot, so it was relevant. Don't attack me without first understanding what I'm saying. i did not attack i even wrote that in the post. look see. that is why i wrote what or the way i wrote that, b/c i wasn't sure.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 07:09 PM) The Bulls and Sox do not have the same ownership group. Just because JR is making money off the Bulls doesn't mean that other Sox owners are and would not be too happy with JR overspending just because he is doing good financially. There are a lot more people involved than just JR and he has to look out for their interests too. the list of owners of both the hawks and bulls are extremely close with maybe a few different names. now take JR out of the equation and pls stop making excuses for the owners. we have or at least i have seen them many times over the course of many yrs. i have been fighting this battle a long freaking time. i am saying on looking at the big picture of dollars and cents. the owners of the sox does have to have their profits to make ends meet, nor are they surviving on this as a survival of their family. this is an investment in which they have made money or the course of their intial investment. now lets look at the money, this is by all mean not their only investment and i am sure of that. so any lost will be good in a tax write off. they pay big bucks for, what i am sure of corp tax acct and lawyers to help them. they will make that money back.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:23 PM) The Martian was solidly entertaining. yeah ... my family is going to see it again for the second time. they are catching the matinee showing.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 06:34 PM) Thank you. Wanting Trayce to play doesn't mean assuming he'll put up a .900 OPS again, he doesn't have a very high bar to clear to be one of our three best options for the OF at this point, barring spending a lot of money in FA or giving up assets through a trade. i disagree. it is that the fans are tried of the s***ting defense and wants a better defensive player to help in the games. sometimes it is the case to sacrifice a position for better defense, if the rest of the team can carry it, but this team can't. it is happening all at once, frustration for what the FO has given the fans to swallow.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 06:33 PM) We can sit here all day and say it's the players, it's the players. OK, so if that is the sole reason--who picks the players? We're right back where we started. Insanity as defined by Colbert: changing nothing and then pretending things will change. KW caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and for that we'll always be grateful. He hasn't done it since--not even close--and I'd say 10 years is enough, wouldn't you? The Cubs were able to run that organization around in, what, four years or so? Hawks even less than that. But they made dramatic changes. We won't even fire our manager FFS. and the northsiders have did wonders in their marketing to bring in over 2.5 mil fans a yr since 2005.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 06:25 PM) That's not really what I said at all, but okay. haha this is too funny, at least while i am writing this. this phrase was used the other day on me. compare and contrast. what i took from your statement was you are comparing to the 2005 roster and may be using that as the platform to gage everything. i am inferring that a modern platform or don't use a plat form but to create a new standard to get new players in the system. strive to get and do better... the old ideas of how to look at FA's needs to be thrown out the window.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:51 PM) Houston had two bad teams at the same time, the Rockets and Astros. Yao Ming had just fallen apart. The Astros were at the end of the Killer B's time period and 4-5 years from contention. Bad timing. The problem in LA is/was that the contract was TOO generous and wasn't well thought out in terms of the assumptions being made that fans would "force" their cable and satellite companies to carry the Dodgers. Even the Mariners got nearly $120 million per season in the midst of being a doormat (and without Ichiro) for going on nearly a decade now. A lot of that was also based on the addition of Cano, which turned out not to be an automatic ticket to the playoffs, nor was Nelson Cruz, despite the numbers he put up this year. At any rate, you have the White Sox with arguably the lowest or next to lowest ratings of any franchise in baseball in terms of tv and probably radio as well this year. The Cubs are trending in the exact opposite direction. Unless that organization completely falls apart from 2016-2018, their new contract will be huge...and if the White Sox continue to suck, that will create an even more profitable supply and demand bubble for Epstein and Co. to take advantage of. the point is the owners reliance on the fans needs to come out first, before we spend is plain and simple stupid. they have been making money. they, the owners have to realign themselves from this failed ideology that the owners been working from. it is not working.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Boy they should just put you in charge because you have it all figured out. It's so easy. Now have fun explaining to members of the Sox ownership group why they are making less money because the Bulls are successful. The Bulls and Sox are two separate entities. Their finances have NOTHING to do with each other even if they have some of the same people in their respective ownership groups. exactly and therefore, the sting of loosing money from 1 company should be soften the sting from making money from the second company. let alone all the tax breaks coming from this. lets not forget they do make money from the sub companies. however i do see and understand your point.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Two teams. #1. Nationals. #2 white Sox Teams #1 and #2 played below expectations. Team #1 decimated by injuries, but finishes above .500. Team #2 healthy all year, finishes below .500 #1 and #2 played crappy defense Team #1 fires their manager. #2 retains their manager I'm not saying RV should or shouldn't have been let go. However, the organization loses all credibility when there is no standard for accountability vs performance. The notion that they are trying to do the best they can to put a winner on the field, holds no water typical for the SOP of the white sox ownership ..... i put all the blame on the owners.... the buck starts and ends with them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 06:06 PM) It serves more as a reminder that after a really hot start, he hit about like he hit in his time in the minors. He hasn't "won" anything yet. plus he played a whole season in the majors, one can't look at 1 month and use it to make a point.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Probably, because in theory he'd be struggling. But his 2014 Birmingham season looks a lot like this hypothetical 2016 MLB season. Another thing you mentioned that I'd dispute is that once you get down in the .230 range, there's not much difference between today's offensive game and 2006's, but that's really not the case. In 2006 there was one qualifying hitter in MLB who hit less than .230 and four under .240. In 2015 there were nine and fourteen. That's what you get when the league OPS has dropped almost 50 points. i really don't know how to put this, so here is my attempt to being nice.... you would rather deal in mediocre instead of striving to becoming better. i can't see why.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. ahhh you are talking about human nature.... the sox fans have seen yrs and yrs of poor defense in a trade for the FO exchange for hitting... hitting has been the sop for the sox, b/c that is what they thought will bring out the fans. relying on pitching to shut the opponents offense down. now, the fans are tried and want any sembles of good defense and they are willing to embrace and sacrifice offense from that position.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Or Hahn wanted to make a change, and Kenny and/or Jerry wouldn't let him. We don't know. Look, what's done is done now. He's coming back, they'll make some moves, and they'll try one last time. I wish them luck. But 99% of the time, managers in his position would be gone now. And rightly so. excellent. but the whole thing is, all we, the fans have to look at is last yr's results and failed trade deadline fiasco.... we do not what will be in store when the season to starts to sign fa's and make trades. it is going to be interesting.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) I think the odds are against it, but it's nice to know they still will be selecting high if they do sign a QO guy. Doesn't appear to be much offense on the free agent list. Zobrist seems like a guy who could really help the team, but he's older, and one of the most fascinating free agents IMO. Sabermetrically, he's been one of the better players in baseball the last 4 or 5 years. Will that translate to saber dollars? Desmond is an interesting guy to me. I think he will get a QO. Had a bad year, but has had some success in the past. Weiters is a Boras guy with question marks and upside. Unfortunately for the White Sox, this isn't the free agent class of the hitter. actually i think there are some interesting hitters on the market.... but with anything, it comes down to cost.... b/c as much i was the owners to dabble in the fa market, i am also concern with the cost. meaning overpaying.