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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) Never saw or heard anything like that. I know Cooper and Kenny at three times this year questioned where the fans were or their baseball knowledge. Mark it was around the the time of the tix were on sale, the sox had just sign someone and the salary cap was around at that time, around 95-100 mil. he mention in the interview that the sox needed to get fans involve b/c, something about the sox need to find way to afford the salary. now it was on this time several posters, including myself, had a huge debate on this site how the hidden money the sox has / had, and etc..... i really don't want to redo that whole discussions.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) I am excited for this. I'm also interested to see how they can weave the World's Fair and Holmes' story together. Easier to do in book form. i am intrigue as well on the whole story line. i have read little of the whole thing. i really think with both leo and martin, it is going to be a great movie.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) If Trace is the real deal, you trade Eaton. No brainer. for me, lets see how he does next season.

i am wondering which demigods kane has pissed off. he is like a walking person with this huge black cloud over him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:24 PM) In the old days, sure. But as the bandwagon has expanded, not as much so. interesting, i would also add the age of the internet and the ability to look up things. to help form a better opinion.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Well yea, of course. But if it is their own player, then i bet the tune changes excellent point of view.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) You figured it out. The White Sox front office decided to put a bunch of work into conducting an elaborate hoax (complete with what look like third party survey's from an independent marketing firm) into tricking stupid White Sox fans into thinking the franchise actually cared what they thought about the team and the game day experience. The reality is that Jerry and the board just sit around reading these things at board meetings for a laugh then lighting them on fire with the hundred dollar bills they got from fans. ok i will acknowledge your snark. but if the sox really cared, they should have continue the rebuild in the off season instead of stopping. yet jr went on and lambasted the fans for not buying more season tickets.... that is money he was talking about..... more profit.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Lol why do you think Hawks fans are more thoughtful and educated than most fans? Don't get me wrong, I'm a Chicago sports everything fan, but that a very homer comment. i just do..... fans on other sites want to hang kane and persecute him, while others are calling her a tramp etc... i always maintain the the sox fans are what i said, b/c we can see the bullcrap being shoveled at us. the fans are a group of show me..... lastly b/c those who have responded have come from the sox fan based. also remember, this is my opinion.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) I'm still outraged he left a pregnant Bridget Moynahan for Giselle Bundchen. Boo! Boo! Boo! i like to think that i really don't look or dwell on these things, but for me, who cares. i still maintain, there are those who like these things. i say good for them.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) I think it's fair to wonder what's going to happen to the Blachawks, but it's important to keep things in perspective. The more you focus on how the case affects your hobby, the more you may develop a rooting interest that is unrelated to what the right outcome is. You can follow it from a Blackhawks-centric point of view without letting that happen, but you have to be cognizant of it. As a fan, I hope Patrick didn't rape anybody and that this is somehow a misunderstanding. That's good for the Blackhawks goose and good for the society gander. What I don't want to do is in any way enable a rapist to go unpunished because I want my favorite hockey team to have one of its best players. I have to consciously remind myself that I am biased in favor of Patrick because I want to root for the Blackhawks without experiencing cognitive dissonance. When the Sox traded for Brett Myers, I had to struggle to figure out if I was seeing his domestic violence situation in a very nuanced way because that's how it really was or if it was because I wanted to be able to cheer for him. There's a reason things like the Ray Rice situation developed some level of consensus. Once we saw him punch his fiance, even people who liked Ray Rice couldn't pretend that he didn't punch her. There were obviously a small group of people who don't give a damn whether he punches somebody, but for reasonable people there wasn't any room for interpretation. Well Patrick wasn't on tape as far as we know so I have to battle the fact that my mind will want to imagine him doing no wrong or at least less wrong than what he may be alleged to have done. So if months from now we're looking at a certain rape conviction for Kane, I'll be intensely interested in the contractual and cap implications. For now, I'm not uninterested in those topics but there are more pertinent things, like finding out what actually happened. i disagree with the last paragraph. its like walk on quick sand. for the most part the truth of how guilty or innocent will come out in due time. on the legal side of due time. while i am not caring at this time, i will when the verdict or the investigation uncovers, i am more concern with the future of the this season. maybe i am walking the dangerous grounds of in sensitivity of not caring of the whole picture. i am not, it will be taken care of and address in due time. how will this affect the hawks now, how does this affect if kane can't travel, plus the hole of the team still needs to be address. this is a hockey thread for the hawks, i am talking about the 2015-2016 blackhawks.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) To be honest, I'm almost shocked that it isn't being discussed more, considering the Hawks just won the Cup especially. Imagine if this was Tom Brady. Do we really think no one would be speculating on the future of the Patriots and Brady's career? i like to think that the hawks fans are a little more thoughtful, educated than most. i also believe that the hawks fans was waiting and not running like a chicken without a head.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Yes. When they slashed ticket and parking prices in 2013(?) they specifically said it was due to the feedback they got from the fan surveys. the sox FO is giving the impression of appearing to do things for the fans, to make the fans believe they are giving value input without letting the fans know the truth. it is a fluff piece based on what they, the sox, hope the fans believe that there ideas is being taken to the highest authority in the sox org. in addition that the sox thrive on the collective wisdom of the fans valued thoughts.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) It was a bad joke about how often outrage based words were being used in the last few posts. well the words are now publicize in this thread, and i am talking about me. i did let my anger get the best of me. this is and was a debate on different point of views. this is a sports forum, and pov usually don't changes and this site provides an opportunity to express it. furthermore, i was going to pm ss25 to offer my apology. this is a site to express opinions without being criticize for it. again at least for me. now with hat in hand i leave

QUOTE (Saufley @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) May as well let Thompson DH. One would hope he's not worse than LaRoche. If he is we have more problems. no offense but why not Avi as dh and let thompson play the field.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:34 PM) This thread has gotten outrageous. why, it is a healthy debate. at least for me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:33 PM) Because you aren't passing judgement or anything... Outrage at outrage, is still outrage. And yes, I think if we as a society have gotten to the point where a sports teams standing is more important than a rape case, we should all be outraged. If you feel the need to judge me for that, please do. I am perfectly comfortable with that as well. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 05:24 PM) Patrick Kane has dug his own grave in the court of public opinion with his history of stupidity off of the ice. In a case like this, there usually isn't much hard evidence to come out, so waiting for that moment of clarity will probably never happen. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Who cares. For myself, if I ever get to the point where I care about salary cap implications more than a rape, I have failed myself. The allegations are what they are, but I have no interest in taking that and trying to turn it into how does this hurt/benefit my team. not once in these post did you state your outrage on this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) That was your exact quote. You were speculating about a suspension, salary cap relief, and resigning Kruger... along with maybe someone else, all for an incident the police aren't even done investigating. and i already posted my link to it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) I don't know if a thread like this is a cause or a symptom and if it is beneath you ..... then why do you keep on posting these single thought prove responses.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:28 PM) Have at it. I have no interest in it right now. Maybe if/once Kane sees a punishment, but not when we don't even know what exactly happened. The best thing that can come out of this isn't salary cap relief, it would be for some people to see this and learn a lesson. very true from a ethical / morals point of view. i am with you on this.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:23 PM) I'm not sure what level of privacy a superstar athlete accused of a pretty terrible crime deserves, anyway. the law of the land.....

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:24 PM) And no one said it must be your first thought. But let's face it, we are discussing this in an NHL thread on a sports message board, not on a rape victim's forum or something. I think it's perfectly within reason to think about the effects this might have on the Blackhawks - something much more pertinent and relevant to all of us in this thread than discussing the impacts to a woman none of us will ever know. thanks

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) You are speculating about a potential suspension in a case we don't even have a fraction of the details in, and that is respecting Kane's privacy? Please. again, all i asked, if i remember >>> QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) yeah you are prob right in this. i am trying to go that extra mile not to form any opinion. on a side note, do you think he will be put on administrative leave pending legal investigation? if the hawks doesn't fix the salary cap now, they can use the AL as a temp fix, sign kuger and trade whom ever. if you want to quote me, at least try to use the exact piece.

and again you are trying to deep up useless comments to form a thought to justify your comments. btw, it is obvious i am talking about hockey and the hawks salary cap issues. i am also stating, which i have done before, about hockey still needs to go on. until the world know what is happening, that does not stop the nhl from going on. until the hawks org knows what is happening in kane world, hockey still needs to go on. now try to spin doctor that for your own little world of justifying everything.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) You've gone off of the deep end as well. What in the world is in your head right now? Where in the world are you getting the idea that anyone but you is violating privacy by speculating about Kane's salary cap status and potential suspension. I am the one saying I won't speculate, aka letting the process work. You are the one making up scenarios and posting about them, aka speculating. i am just stating a fact. it is his own personal business.... how am i violating his privacy act.... do you even know what you are talking about??? b/c you are digging up 2 different situation and definition to justify your comment. and ref to the bold, no you are not, you have been doing the one sentence comment

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) How is trying if Patrick Kane will be suspended, and what the salary cap implications are (including the who Hawks could resign if so) "respecting the due process of the law" and staying out of Kane's "personal business"? You have no idea what you are talking about here. show me where i said resign??? does the hawks as an org have some problems now concerning salary cap issues??? the next step of the law and kane can affect how the hawks needs to go forward. like he can't leave the state. so again, the business of hockey still needs to go on, the hawks still has holes and now a major hole to possibly look at, worst case scenario. i have a idea of what i am saying and talking about QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) Patrick Kane has dug his own grave in the court of public opinion with his history of stupidity off of the ice. In a case like this, there usually isn't much hard evidence to come out, so waiting for that moment of clarity will probably never happen. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) Who cares. For myself, if I ever get to the point where I care about salary cap implications more than a rape, I have failed myself. The allegations are what they are, but I have no interest in taking that and trying to turn it into how does this hurt/benefit my team. now, this all affect with the running of the 2015-2016 nhl season, and with as fans i like to know how the hawks are going to fix the salary cap issue and i am not talking about his personal lifem, except you. unless you are trying to get people to post.