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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) The team actually lost money last year. and you know this, b/c you saw the books??? or b/c the FO has said so. did they include their other, considerable income associated with the team but is not under the banner of the sox parent logo.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) So because the White Sox don't spend $190 million on their payroll, they're cheap and don't want to win and don't want to invest fully to win it all. Because Reinsdorf doesn't want to win, he just wants to give off the perception that he cares about winning and wants to fall just short of winning the division and World Series because he's a crooked ass businessman. Frankly, that's absolutely absurd. it is absolutely absurd to keep putting words in my mouth, i have never said spend 190. better yet, show me and others where i stated this..... come on, you are very quick to pass this judgement with a huge exaggeration, or will you disappear for a while knowing you were wrong??

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 05:51 PM) Come on man, the reality is that this is a business. The owners aren't going to cash our "faithfulness" at the bank. exactly and that is why the sox will do just enuf to bring in the fans without over spending to winning it all.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 03:41 PM) The White Sox guaranteed the most years to players in terms of guaranteed contracts this offseason and spent the 4th most money. This "JR is cheap" bit you pull from time to time is ridiculous. The White Sox have spent a ton of money. he spends enuf to get the fans but not enuf to win it all. look at bos, ladodger and many teams making the investment to win it or to put them in position to win it. all i have been saying this off season is to make that one more investment in pitching. not to go hog wild and to spend. don't soft soap it as well by "we are going to get players in spring training" knowing full well it is minor leaguers who were not on the 40 man roster.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 03:17 PM) You must have been watching a different team the last 10 years. I saw a franchise that was constantly at the top of the division in spending, yet consistently underachieved. Until the last two seasons, they were at a $100+ million payroll for seven straight seasons. I'd blame KW and Ozzie more than Jerry. actually you are right, i have been really sick with major heart problems, to be exact, 5 heart attacks, 3 strokes, 18 stents and a left side damaged. so i did miss the 10 with the 2005 ws, with me being in the hospital getting my first attack. i just stated being a fan this past yr. all of which i have stated this before. but what a time to getting back into sox baseball when the sox got jose a and the rest of the players. what a team. this team can go down in history as being a great team, esp if they win the ws ring.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) And fans respond to the fans talking... this isn't any different either. and that is why i am saying it is all good, this is a great discussion, as i have stated already. this is what make being a fan great. esp the chi white sox fans who are really knowledgeable to the the whole game. i sometimes feel that the owners really don't appreciated our faithfulness.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 02:30 PM) being disappointed that the Sox didnt sign a player is a lot different from saying "The Sox will make 190 million dollars so they should spend it all, and Jerry is cheap/frugal because he didnt sign XXXXXXX player". in actuality, this goes back to the 90's. then all was needed was a hitter or better yet, a sp. the FO didn't want to invest, b/c "they didn't have the income of teams that are investing". the sox could've had more than 1 ws ring, if they would have invested. those teams of the 90's were stacked. the only thing that the owners do is put or invest enuf to field a team, to bring in the fans. this policy has cntinued and in 2005 was pure luck and all things going the sox way. earlier in this off season, the FO said the budget it xx amount for the team, b/c of what the sox have avail thru their imcome. this is when i stated to spout out about there hidden salary. how many posters have stated that the sox needed to continue?? to get additional player, even stating 1 yr and out kind of a player?? this whole post was in hopes to pick up beachly. how bout the other post lately of sox getting additional players. is some way, many feel the same way. i have always stated that the owners should be able to make a profit, but at the same time state that they didn't have the income??? isn't that a blatant lie?? or if it is lost among those fans, how bout the FO statement that the fans needs to sign up in order for the sox to spend more, will anyone state that was an warm embrace of the faithful sox fans, to black mail them??

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 02:05 PM) This is patently false ok and i will disagree with you .

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) Let's look at it this way. What team in MLB doesn't have a number of flaws? We can name 10-12 things that could go wrong with the Tigers off the top of our heads, and their payroll's a lot higher than the Sox. They've probably spent almost a billion dollars this past decade, still with no World Series titles. Even the Nationals and Dodgers, we could pick apart their weaknesses. and it is all good. i was spouting off on 1 major part that is needed. beachy was the catalyst that started this for me. but dang it, the sox needed another sp.

QUOTE (beautox @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 04:12 AM) I'm on the Fulmer / Matuella hype train. Just need one of those 3 to pan out as a #3 and one as a nice BP piece to consider it a win anything more and its gravy. Adding another arm this year at 8 will be huge. Its nice to dream on a rotation of Sale Montas/#8 pick Quintana Danish/Adams Rodon i am not too high on fulmer, his lack of a third pitch is a concern. my wish list is Walker Buehler, Matuella and Nathan Kirby. not in this order. but it is all good. there is still a long season before the draft takes place.

QUOTE (Tex @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) There is a fine line between getting maximum value from a pitcher and overwork. Plus, not all innings are equal depending on weather, how you feel that day, your body doesn't heal from the previous outing at a consistent rate . . . There are ridiculous amounts of innings that Sale could pitch, 220 may be the upper number, but so to is a lower number. Having him pitch only 125 because you are "saving" him is equally ridiculous. I tend to agree with Balta that there should be a concern, and I am certain there is. But if the starting point of planning the rotation is how often can we rest Sale, we're doomed. 1 the planned to not only to rest sale but the whole sp rotation, sale, Q, and jeff s. 2 not many pitchers have pitched those extra innings that going a full season plus playoff will add. 3. coming in at a 125 pitch count or any hard number is unreasonable. different pitchers handles innings differently. lastly, this team needs their ACE's to produce, the best way is keep them as fresh as possible without a heavy workload. that is my opinion. i may be wrong.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 06:19 AM) I can't believe this fight is happening over Brandon Beachy all this, imo, is really a nice discussions. a discussion of point of views. no one is angry at anyone. i like this discussion. i think it is all good. can't wait for the season to start tho.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 04:50 AM) So, because you found out how much the sox really make, you get to tell them how to spend it and be angry with them and be angry at Jerry because he didn't sign people that you have determined they need? fans are always talking about getting this player or that player, that is part of being a fan. so with that how am i doing it differently??

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 06:15 AM) Man, maybe Jerry is just a smart business man that doesn't want to saddle the team with franchise crippling deals? all this off season, i am not spouting about a long term contract, but a contract for 1 or 2 yrs. there were pitchers who were avail for that and sign for that.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 06:22 AM) You should really fact check this. Only 3 teams top that figure with their TV deals. We are far from that figure. i am going with the info that another poster posted about the tv deal via his post with a link. there were 2 incomes from the tv deal, 1 was in the 130 mil and the 2 is in the 60 mil. i didn't understand it, but it was in the link. i believe it was caulfield12 who found the link.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 08:43 AM) In terms of the catcher's position, we have more depth than at any time in recent Sox history...you've got 3 veterans in Soto/Kottaras/Brantly, Nieto and Kevan Smith. That's not GREAT, but much improved compared to last year entering the season. The 4th outfielder, likely, is on another team right now...it's not like we're stuck with the only options being Taylor and Shuck. As far as the rotation goes, we are six deep with Rodon, and that's not including Beck, Scott Carroll and Brad Penny. We're in a better position than 75% of other teams, and with Danks on the books for two more years, making ANOTHER move before the season would have been foolhardy. If there was a speculative move to be made, it should have been a two-year deal like the Royals signed with Medlen, so that you have additional back-up insurance for Samardzija leaving via FA before 2016. ref nieto, it was said from the beginning of the offseason, he needs 1 yr in the minors, and smith is not ready. wow brad penny whew, we are saved .... lets be serious, rodon is unproven, beck and erik johnson, can they make the transition to the majors. i am talking about a 1 yr deal with a proven pitcher who may be a very good pitcher to help out in the innings. to help save the arms of the team's ACE's. to be ready to perform in the playoff and for the long haul. if eaton goes down due to injury and maybe garcia..... if jose a goes to the IR who will be the dh depth, quality players the farms is close but it is not there.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 12:15 PM) I just don't understand how Beachy can sign with the Dodgers and it becomes an indictment on Reinsdorf. I think that is terrible it wasn't just the signing of Beachy that got to me, it was prob the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. first, i have always stated that as an owner, he has the right to make money. but earlier in the offseason the FO was stating they didn't have money only enuf to spend xx amount to improve. then the FO said, they couldn't spend without the fans supporting them and spending money to help spend on FA's. then someone found the TV money deal on, i don't know, maybe forbes. the bottom line, is this team to sooo close to doing something that has happen once in the last 10 yrs. i look back at JR and his legacy is going to be 1 ws where several could have been done, b/c of being frugal, too frugal. the sox can make the playoff, this team is loaded, but there are holes. i am a fan and i been saying this team can make the playoff before many posters and some doubt it, that is ok, but i am not blind to know that there are holes.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 03:07 AM) This entire offseason has been the Sox spending way more than anyone anticipated. and this offseason, the fans finally found out how much money JR and owners have to bank. the tv money imcome alone is 190 + mil a yr. the salary of the sox is 120+ mil a net profit of 60+ mil and the income from the fans, concessions, commercial leasing etc.... adds to that profit margin. the sox have several areas of concerns, 2 of Garcia and Eaton who are a health concern backup ---- Bonifacio Jose A, has to be healthy ---- backup LaRoche chris sale ---- backup ??? rodon and in a playoff race, how bout those innings oh i forgot how important another backup for that infield is so they went out and got beckham. how bout a backup for the catcher---- ??? the bench.. thompson, jb shuck those players really strike fear in the opposing pitchers. this team can really build something special and can keep it going.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 03:06 AM) Maybe Beachy wanted nothing to do with the Sox. then again, maybe no one really knows, b/c no mention of rumors were swirling around him and teams who might have been interested.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 22, 2015 -> 09:35 PM) This would make me unbelievably happy. Having Matuella in addition to Danish, Montas and Adams wold be fantastic depth. this yr draft, pitchers matuella, nathan and walter will be fast track pitchers to the majors as well.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 02:40 AM) What does this even mean? Him not signing with the sox does not equal Reinsdorf being a penny pincher. The guy is coming off his second tommy john surgery coming off the 2nd surgery is one thing, and a major thing at that. but come on, jr is not going to spend more than he has too. he would have been a great pickup, a 1 yr and out type of pitcher. that is if the club doesn't want a multi yr kind of pickup right now.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 01:15 AM) I thought Birdman was just ok. I liked the acting, but it was a little long. Dragged a little. your opinion is valid. the movie acting was, in my opinion great. the pace is like those of the indie's movies of the late 50's early 60's black and white. it is for me a 1 time kind of a movie. i am glad michael keaton made or can make his comeback. whiplash with the jazz music is great.... great acting.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 22, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) Dang. this is the sox trying to save money, how much profit does the owners need.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2015 -> 10:20 PM) I'm much more worried about giving Chris an unusual load than I am about him being unable to handle a normal load. If we try to run Chris out for 220 innings and he gets hurt in the regular season...sometimes you can only do so much. What worries me is calling up Rodon as the 5th starter early in the season and having Rodon be skipped once a month on offdays, dumping those extra innings onto the rest of the staff. Suddenly Sale is going every 5th day when we could be giving him an extra day or two most weeks. Then throw in the fact that we'll probably want him going deep in the game, and then it gets down the stretch when we're in a pennant race and trying to match him up against the Tigers or something like that, a setup where he's working harder than he's ever done in his career...and then that is possibly followed up by pitching in October...That's what worries me. Just be smart about him in the regular season, don't treat with kid gloves, but at least be smart. We've got this big money closer, use him. We've got offdays, don't sacrifice them for Rodon being up, etc. excellent post. couldn't have put it better. the sox need this team to be as healthy as possible for those extra innings they are going to pitch.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Feb 22, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) Lovely. Saying, "well, he was hurt two of three years" is dishonest to this discussion. There are degrees of hurt. One of the two years he was hurt, he missed one start. The other was his DL stint. The third year was completely healthy. So I'm looking at two years where he worked just about full seasons and a third where he missed a month, and as I already cited, he's managed to throw more innings than all but 25 guys since he became a starting pitcher. The guys I mentioned consistently miss quarter seasons, two months, half seasons routinely. So you can sit there and tell me I'm delusional, but if you think that Chris Sale has earned the injury-prone label as much as them, you are wrong. there is no degrees in being hurt. you are either hurt or not. i really don't care about any other sp unless that sp, pitches for the white sox. the history is there, whether it is b/c of a freaking hang-nail or something more important. the sox needs a viable sp pitcher in the wings to help, no matter what.