Soxy

I have decided from here on out that my Magic 8ball will be making all of my major life decisions for me.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 08:44 PM) ``When a man signs a contract he should honor it,'' Guillen said. ``They signed me for three seasons to win ... they were going to pay me just the same whether or not we were champions.'' AMEN, OSWALDO! I wish some of these egotisical f***s in baseball and other sports could honor this same statement. And yes, Soxy, QUOTATION. Great quotation (thanks Kap), I am so happy we have Oz!

Happy! Happy!

Congratulations to the you and your wife SS2k5! I hope you always have as much joy with your child as you do today.

Fixed. Theme for today's SL&P: People suck.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) Who has done any research into this? Is there a concensus opinion on why humans rape, while there are only a few other species that do? In short no. I've actually heard one theory (albeit unpopular) that rape is committed for evolutionary reasons. Most psychologists (unless they've switched in the past year and a half) agree it's about power. Same reason people batter. Most of my old "rape" stuff (educational of course) is either at home or donated to my alma mater. Let me get back to you with some names after I finish my stupid presentation from hell, okay?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) What are the major theories on rape? I'll need you to be more specific there.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 03:12 PM) Rape is taken VERY seriously but if there is no evidence what do you want the police to do? Without evidence they can't do much of anything and rightfully so. Im willing to wager that for every case like the one you mentioned theres 1 patently false accusation made. Read the comments about rape survivors in this thread. Every woman knows them. We know what will be said about us if we say we were raped. You'd have to be dumber than a box of rocks to make s*** like that up. And, for the record, I whole-heartedly support public stoning of women that make it up (and men too). They're no better than the rapists. But it's rare.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) I think we were talking past each other. I doubt anyone here has anything less than total disgust for the rapists. But when we see someone who, unless drugged, make such an obviously made decision, it is worth commenting on. I recently taught a drunk driving awareness program. After completing the program, I realized something important was missing. The materials never talked about getting into a car with a drunk driver. I was amazed. I didn't believe anyone was saying it was her fault, I read people saying, why did she make such a poor choice [that poor girl]? What makes these cases the toughest is once the rapist agrees that sex occurred, but it was consensual, it becomes who do you believe. In this one, with the victim left unconscious on the side of the road, I think it will be an easy case, but in others, I would not want to be on the jury. Basically, my concluding comment on this is: if you think the two situations are dissimilar, I would urge you to talk to a rape victim. The way she/he blames himself is so similar to all the reasons we've seen here. Almost identical reasons. It's easy to say those two situations are completely different. I'm just saying here, that you can't have an attitude about some kinds of rape and not expect victims to apply it to their own. Come on Tex, you're a Psych major: Stimulus generalization, not just for Pavlov anymore!

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 02:51 PM) I seem to remember adding rape to the list of crimes I want to see the death penalty enforced on. You are implying that we're soft on rape but thats just not the case. Sure, the ones that get caught or whose cases are determined worthy of investigation. Three of my closest friends were raped. One went to the police, but they wouldn't go ahead with the case because of "weak" evidence. The other two never told. Why didn't they tell? So, that's 3 rapists out there scot free. These types of attitudes are the key in their jail cell that lets them walk.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) I'm not saying blame the victim, I'm saying we have less sympathy for someone who was dealing drugs than someone who was sitting in their living room when they are murdered. Perhaps you are right, we do feel safer if we think, I won't be robbed if I avoid this neighborhood, or I won't get raped if I don't get drunk and lose control around strangers. From another angle, if you were teaching a class on how to protect yourself from rape, wouldn't you discuss this situation and explain the evils of getting into a van with 6 men? Clearly that is risky behavior. Does she deserve to be a victim of a crime? Of course not. Are the 6 men involved the lowest forms of human life? Absolutely. How can one fit all that together? Should her actions be discussed at all, in the context of how to avoid being a victim? I see your point now. I've taken self-defense classes and, of course, they tell you to avoid dangerous places. And you know, I'm not saying that we shouldn't say what the victim did, but to be honest, it's not the most interesting or causal factor in this story. Who committed this crime? Who is at fault? Who made our world less safe? The rapists. Yet we first focus on the victim. Why? Because it's a hell of a lot easier to focus on that than there are men and women out there who prey on others. Should you protect yourself? Not take stupid chances? Of course. But at the end of the day, as safe as we like to think we are, this stuff happens all the time. And again, why don't we hear about it when it's a boyfriend, friend, girlfriend, spouse, acquaintance? I mostly get absolutely livid at these news stories because odds of this happening are phenomonally small. I walk home after going to a bar (granted I'm sober), but I'm usually alone and it's late at night. Is that dumb? Yeah. But to be honest, I know I'm more likely to be assaulted by a family member, friend, boyfriend, or someone I know. And how do you protect against that? Because if we're talking about prevention of actual assaults, let's talk in terms of what actually happens. And no one ever tells you what to do if a someone you ever know does this. I've met rapists, seen them in court, university hearings, hell, I've been friends with them before I knew. And I don't know how to protect myself against the nice people that are rapists. They're not deformed monsters or subhuman. I think that's the hardest part of all of this. Acknowledging most rapists are just like us--because then you really wonder how do I protect myself against this?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 02:35 PM) How much of this would you agree with? Our society always identifies with the victim and tempers their response to the victim. A couple of examples Well it makes us feel safe, doesn't it to blame the victim? I'll never be that stupid, so I won't be raped. I'll never walk alone late at night so I'll never be raped. After all, good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. Isn't that the easiest way to live your life? Unless, of course, something bad's happened to you. . .

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) Too.........much........estrogen..... Wellcom aboerd. There was just the right amount until you posted. Ooooooh, snap!

So, I know Galileo got a parden from the Church (10 years ago. . .), but did Copernicus?

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) Well, that's a convenient spin on words. I don't recall anyone saying someone was 'too smart to get raped'. But you do have to be smart enough to recognize potentially dangerous situations. Maybe it was the 1st time she made a bad decision, but like you wrote, it WAS a mistake. I guess since I can look at both sides of the issue I must be pro rape and a woman hater..... Well, what was the FIRST comments about this? Bad girl, stupid choice. As opposed to WHAT KIND OF f***ING ASSHOLE RAPES A GIRL WITH 5 OF HIS CLOSEST FRIENDS? Essentially, focusing first on the victim's behavior reduces the accountability that we put on the perps for RAPING someone.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) for you. Congrats.. Oh no, save all your prayers for the agrammatical fools that will soon meet their fate soon. mwahahahaha. Thanks all.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) Comparable to The Patio ribs..? Random complaint.. $900 friggin bucks to fly from Chicago to Vegas to Florida back to Chicago. I am unfamiliar wtih Patio ribs. But they have Fays at all the little town festivals/county fairs in the Fox Valley area. That is one hell of an expensive plane ticket. I was thinking of flying from here (Upstate NY) to Toronto for a conference next week--but $700 round trip!!!! Crazy!

Random food craving for the day: Fays BBQ. I don't even like meat, but I am craving it like mad. It's been so long since I had that delicious, delicious BBQ. Mmmmmmmm.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) We'd be glad to have ya... Now... who's *WE*? Knowing me and knowing Texas I would say a lynch mob.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 04:10 AM) From what I've read, the gay marriage amendment is written so vaguely, it may actually be outlawing all marriage. I could vote for that. Equal rights for equal people. Well, that decides it. I'm moving to Texas.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) .....and my sister would never put herself in that situation, she knew beter at probably the age of 3. I wonder why rape is such an underreported crime. . .

Effective immediately: 5 day suspesion for incorrect use of your, you're, there, their, they're, its, it's in SLAP. Thanks guys. I will try very hard to not get drunk on my own power.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 01:33 AM) gawd, phonetics suck Them's fighting words!!! Take it back!!!! TAKE IT BACK!!!!!

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:59 AM) He's still thinking about you . . Ah, there's no predicting what you might do on a good old vegemite bender. *shudder* vegemite is the devil.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) I was thisclose to missing a connecting in Dallas last month. Damn travel agent only gave me 47 minutes between flights and I was transfering between American and Delta. Had to go the length of one terminal, grab a shuttle bus, and get over to the other. Did you have to re-go through security? I seem to remember Dallas as being a craptastic airport.