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Flubbies go final 8-5 losers to Milwaukee. LMFAO Record falls to 28-48 now.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 10:02 PM) Too easy. You don't deserve props for that one You're right. I get the Captain Obvious award for tonight for that one.

QUOTE(34FG56MB52JC @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 09:49 PM) BWHAHAHAHAHAHA Typical Cubs! GO AHEAD RUN FOR BREWERS! Error on Cubs SS. OMFG THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOO BUSH LEAUGE HERE Zambrano's effort was totally wasted and now Milwaukee not only has the lead but some insurance as well. LMFAO!!! QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) They usually find a way to lose..........We shall see. Gimmie my props!!! LOL!

QUOTE(34FG56MB52JC @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 09:42 PM) Cubs in line to win their first home game in the last 9 tries. Leading 5-4 over Brewers in the top of the ninth. But one run is very easy to score when facing Cubs pitching. They usually find a way to lose..........We shall see. Milwaukee has 2 men on and nobody out already........... HERE WE GO! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sac bunt turns into the tying run when Dumpster throws the ball away. LMFAO!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 08:13 PM) Thome is looking much better at the plate tonight, imo. He's taking the close pitches and even taking some strikes (that aren't good hitters pitches). I think he's close to getting back on a tear. I love how he went the other way with one of his hits. Thats something that was missing during his mini-funk.

Is it just me or is a win over Pittsburgh not really worth getting excited about? That being said..................EAT s*** ASS-PIRATES!!!!!

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 01:33 PM) Sadly, I'm sure that many on this board will agree that this program needed the curtain call. The very same people who are trying to undermine national security and actively cheer for terrorists to kill as many Americans as they can.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 01:03 PM) They still are using it as a bargaining chip. The language used seems to suggest that Iran is no longer interested in talking with the US over such matters. It doesn't mean that Iran is giving the rest of the world community the cold shoulder. How naive are you? Its patently obvious that they are stringing along the world community with this fake diplomacy while they go full bore with their crash program to develop the bomb. They need to be attacked by Isreal or the US or a combination of the 2 and its gotta happen before its too late.

Here's the real question. Could anyone in here last 15 minutes in a movie made by Al Gore without falling asleep?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 01:27 AM) Seriously though, what's with Garner and throwing chairs? He tossed a chair in the dugout during last year's world series as well. Damn, pick on an inanimate object your own size why don't ya. He must be afraid of the water coolers.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 10:51 AM) You know, I'm in the mood for a resounding victory for freedom of speech. By all means, let Mr. Gonzales do it. This supreme court aint the same one that was sitting in the 1960's and 70's. They will slam dunk the NYT if it comes to that.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:30 AM) Yay! And next week we can start a civil war. I can't believe people actually buy into this crap. In Iran we have a weak, unpopular leader manifesting a conflict with Israel and the Western world to force people to rally to the executive. You know what, the War on Terror is the exact same damn thing for Cheney and Bush. Please return to reality people! Weak and unpopular? You did say Iran right? It sounds to me like you're saying the War on Terror is a massive "wag the dog" scenario. Following that logic leads me to believe that you are one of those people who think the WTC was destroyed by us on purpose just to start a war. :headshake

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:32 AM) Bottom line........ we hope those silly Arabs will stand up because our white guys lives just aren't worth it anymore. Dude. Thats every bit as rediculous as it is cynical. Shame on you.

HOORAY!!!!!! GOOD RIDDANCE s***BAG!!!

Blanked by the Brewers tonight. LOL!!! 19 under now and still sinking fast.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:23 AM) I would like to know exactly what part of "The government colludes with business to watch transactions between several thousand unnamed banks for several thousand unnamed persons of interests" clues anyone into any method of intelligence gathering? Methinks you need to read the article as well.

Im gonna take a shot at getting this thread back on topic. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 03:13 PM) I would contend this is being done as a combined move to appease not only voters in the U.S., but the major controlling factions of Iraqi government. The gamble they are taking is that they can still control things with a small-scale withdrawal. Given how tenuous things clearly are over there, I'd characterize that as russian roulette with out troops. I'd be pretty unhappy with it if I was in the military over there. Nuke, I'm kinda surprised you are OK with this. The reason we're starting to re-deploy is that the Iraqi security forces are assuming control over larger and larger swaths of the country and, in an increasing number of cases, are able to undertake counter-terror ops on their own and without US support. This is exactly what the President said was the deciding criterion for how many troops we keep over there. Contrary to how it may seem sometimes I DO want us to be done with Iraq but I also want it done the right way. Letting the status of Iraqi security forces and the situation on the ground dictate our actions is the right way to do this. Bottom line........they are starting to stand up so we are starting to stand down.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:10 AM) Newspapers don't kill people. People kill people. Let me know when you're done joking about an act of treason and this discussion can continue.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:08 AM) I don't know, but apparently it's killed some people. The fact that a program of this type was outed in the level of detail it was will cause terrorists to rethink how they move money and that will make it harder to track...........and that will mean that it takes longer to run them down...........and that means that more people will die. Get it now?

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:01 AM) Ahhh!!! Nuke, you missed my point. I'm saying what does this dumb spitting argument have do with this thread and American history in general? I'd never disrespect returning troops. I never said you personally would do something like that. I see your point now and apologize. This thread went off the tracks a long time ago and degenerated into a re-play of an old discussion we had here some time ago. I pretty much gave up on staying on topic here.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) Ok, you've posted five different analogies that have been blown out of proportion. We get it. This is not giving battle plans to the enemy, this is not leaking nuclear secrets to Russians, this is not sabotaging the War on Trrrr. Let's not be naive and use our brains for once: do you honestly think that terrorists organizations are so dumb that they're funneling money to buy RPGs and AK-47s out of major banks? Are you that myopic? It's the same argument with the wiretapping going on. People are assuming that terrorist cells are just using landlines and cell phones to communicate with each other. These people aren't idiots, and I think we learned that five years ago. Uhh. Yes they are stupid enough to use commercial banks ( not that they have much choice ). They just set up shell companies or "charity" organizations to launder their money like any other criminal organization would. This is evidenced by the number of terrorists who have been captured or killed by tracing their money. QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) You want to blame someone for outing this dirty little secret, f***ing Dept. of Treasury, WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM? Fixed QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:53 PM) The L.A. Times article ran Friday. The New York Times article ran Friday too. Nuke, have you read the article in question? Yes...........and?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) The NYSlimes were the 'exclusive', supposedly, and the other papers copied it. Bumped QUOTE(minors @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:47 PM) That's right, While I don't think they are selling them directly to the terrorists it is still treason to publish this stuff to sell a paper. Rex do you really think there in this for the 1st amendment no they are in it to sell a paper............and pursue their radical leftist agenda. Fixed for ya.

QUOTE(minors @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:37 PM) Yep and I agree this isn't selling secrets, But I am responding to LCR who seems to think it would be OK even if they were selling secrets. I agree with you though on this one Rex The difference between selling secrets to Al Qaeda directly and printing them in a newspaper where Al Qaeda can see them and doing it for profit is mighty thin. While we're talking about it I wouldn't be surprised if half of the editorial staff and managers at the NYT weren't above selling secrets to Al Qaeda if they came to be in possession of them.

QUOTE(minors @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) Wow this really made me laugh. Communication took upwards up a week back then. By the time that they recived these reports the army could be 500 miles away. That is why in 1815 we fought the battle of New Orleans even though a peace treaty was signed a month before! :headshake You said it better than I did. LOL!!! QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:39 PM) So you're saying that this isn't treason? It's not what you said it was three pages ago? What is it then? It looks to me like political posturing. Deflecting your shortcomings by scapegoating something printed in a newspaper. I seem to recall someone else doing that a few months ago..... What are you talking about?! Its you that has no answer for comparisons between this treason and the hypotheticals we have talked about here.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) His book never said it didn't happen. Like all debaters, it is known you can't prove a negative (i.e. I believe there is a nation of invisible squirrels on Soxtalk. Prove otherwise.) It says -- In the historical record -- police reports, news, etc. that there are no known cases of it being detailed. But let's keep misrepresenting it because hey, they're long posts with lots of text to read through. And Nuke -- I'd say the lack of government programs to help them cope with PTSD and other problems (not to mention that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans...or Hell, that the Gulf of Tonkin was quite likely an event that never took place to get us involved in yet another proxy war) is a disgrace to the treatment of veterans much moreso than an anecdotal story about some hippies. Lack of government programs? That kind of makes me chuckle because when I got back I was continually forced to see a counselor about PTSD even though there was nothing wrong with me and nothing ever surfaced later on. Usually I ended up going in and shooting the breeze with the counselor for a while before leaving. I think a far bigger problem with PTSD is that soldiers refuse to seek treatment for it because they think they will be percieved as weak. What would you have us do about the fact that 1/3rd of homeless are vets? If you want to vote them a "set for life" pension then do it but barring that they need to work on being as successful as a civillian as they were as a soldier. I see ex-soldiers leave the service all the time and were so focused on getting out of the service that they failed utterly to plan for their post-service life.