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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) I agree he's nowhere near "done". There are a lot of pitchers that can't hold his jock. He's just mediocre. He's pitching like a #5 starter. As long as he doesn't blow out his arm or elbow, he'll always be able to find a spot on a major league roster. Unless he really kicks it into gear, he's days making $12 million a year will be over with the expiration of his contract. I defenitely agree that he's not performing anywhere near on a level commensurate with his salary. I think that's why a lot of people are on him a lot more than they otherwise would be.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 04:07 PM) I think he had shoulder and elbow surgery. Wright that year had an ERA of 5.18 and pitched 196 innings. The team was nowhere near as good as it is now. Magglio had a huge season, but Frank only hit .252, CLee .264, Paulie hit 27 homers, Mark Johnson and Jeff Leifer each batted over 200 times. I was in NY on my birthday that year, and Wright shut down the Yankees. Leifer hit one halfway up the upper deck in RF off the Rocket. Sox win. As far as Vazquez goes, pitchers who get almost 8 runs of support per start are usually going to have good records. Personally, I don't think his 9-4 record is as impressive as other pitchers with similar wins and losses totals. I think he's had the lead in all but 1 start. I'm thankful he won't be pitching against the Yankees or Red Sox. I also think this "working with Coop" stuff has to stop. The guy is not a miracle worker. If KW thought it would take a year of "working with Coop" to get Vazquez to be consistently dominant, he wouldn't have made the deal. He would have spent the money and/or players on alternatives. Only reason I think he made that deal is because I believe he didn't think BMAC was quite ready to enter the rotation and wanted a proven guy in the 5th slot to avoid the whole roulette wheel thing we had back in 2004.

LOL! Macho man f***ing ruled. Wrestling of the 1980's was about 50 times better than wrestling is today. Do any of you guys remember G.L.O.W? Georgeous Ladies of Wrestling that was on back in the mid 80's? Thats stuff was CLASSIC!!!

Using the generic windows sound recorder, last nights Thome slam call is now part of my desktop theme. Whenever I restore a window that I minimized it plays.

Vaz isin't doing very well lately at all but I think saying you're "done" with him is a little premature. Like some other posters said earlier on in this thread, everybody was down on Contreras early last season and now he's our most dominating starter. Give him at least a full season ( especially the playoffs ) with us and working with Coop before passing final judgement.

QUOTE(AssHatSoxFan @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 08:09 AM) reading people's responses on the ESPN Morning Quickie chat not many people are happy with AJ making it..it is almost somewhat amusing how angry some people are I needed to look no further than NorthsideBaseball. Their number 1 troll's reaction was.......... I about wet my pants laughing at that one.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 03:46 PM) It should be Sox for White Sox and Sawks for Red Sox. People more than likely just carry the internal nickname over to the neutral sites. You can also call the White Sox "The World Champions". How bout SUX for the Red SUX? That seems a lot more fitting.

Yeah Hawk is a homer but he is the most awesome announcer who ever lived. The day he stops calling games for the Sox is going to be a REALLY sad day in the teams history.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) I would take Red Sox fans over Yankee fans any day of the week. Spankees..........another team you can ask how their playoffs went last year. or Tell them to hang on a second while your eyes adjust to the glare coming from the WS ring.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 02:50 PM) The dude was hitting 93 last night and says he's healthy. I don't think it's a physical thing. His fastball was hitting 93 alright but it a dead body has more movement than it does. If you're going to throw it like that you need to be upper 90's and even then it's not always guaranteed it wont be hit. A 93 MPH fastball over the plate with no movement is just screaming HIT ME HIT ME!!!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 7, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) Just ask them how Boston did in the playoffs last year. HAHA PWN3D!!!!

QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:02 PM) Capuano has eaten the cubs up all season. 26 total IP against them..........0 ER. pWN3d!!!!!

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:44 PM) It happens to the good teams sometimes. I still think it will be a tight series between you two. I'm not doing that at all, just talking some baseball here for the most part. I REALLY cant wait to face the Tigers again.

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) Don't think they will just yet. You guys got Boston which is quite a tall order. Meanwhile we get Seattle who seems to be slumping now, after getting swept by the Angels. LOL!!!!! Do you mean the same Boston team that almost got swept in a 4 game set with the Mighty Devil Rays?!

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:40 PM) There is a difference, perhaps too subtle for you to comprehend, between not wanting Politte anymore on the team -- and nobody can possibly want him to remain -- and saying, "He's trash" over and over and over, and ridiculing the end of his career. I'm not going to work myself up over it, and I'm going to bow out now, thanks. I just wanted to say that those of you laughing at Cliff's failures and screeching not for him to bow out of the game, to be cut from the team, but having all the fun in the world and directing all your misguided anger toward him should be ashamed. But, hey, he's garbage, and worthless now, right? So it's okay to be cruel instead of insensitive. Yeah well when you get paid big bucks like that and dont perform its kind of hard to muster any sympathy for his widdle feewings.

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:38 PM) Not really, I could be doing some other stuff, but I haven't gotten around to doing it yet. I probably will later on. Over/Under on the number of posts you have here after the White Sox take over 1st?

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:30 PM) Give me Farnsworth... over Cliff. Thanks for the memories Cliff. WOW!! Thats about 3 times as harsh as the original thread title.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) I love it when you criticize. Yeah, the signature will reign again until he's gone from this ballclub. Throw in a little of this right here.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) Thats twice now since being recalled Crede has thrown 1 good inning but than giving up a run or two after coming in for a 2nd. He really doesnt deserve a roster spot at all with how he has pitched but if he is going to stay with the big league club lets hope at least he is restricted to 1 inning only. I was a huge Politte supporter his first season with the whitesox and knew he would fix things up. Than a course in 2005 he had that great year... now he is even worse than he was in 04 and ill just say I wont shed a tear if Tracey/Montero/Hermanson are called up and he is released. That being said I really do appreciate his contributions to the 05 team and how he was a huge part of thats team dominance. Crede?!

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:24 PM) I don't believe Politte could pitch any worse if someone ordered him to intentionally throw meatballs. If there's any benefit to his recent meltdowns, it should be there's no doubt Politte is done with this team. How many times can we give him a chance; throw him another inning, without realizing his troubles go beyond physical ailments. He's been dishing out more meatballs than the Olive Garden lately.

Tampa came within .............. sweeping 4 from these pussies. If we dont get AT LEAST 2 of 3 I'll be shocked. RIP EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:22 PM) And you shouldn't have lost two of three to that s***ty Oakland team, but you did. ZING!!! That was WAY more amazing to me than what happened this evening.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:11 PM) I did not hear it get read, but I didn't get it sent until the 6th inning either. You might get it read during tomorrows game. I'll be listening.

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:19 PM) Doing it with 2 outs to start with is amazing to me. Well Politte is amazingly bad this year.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 10:18 PM) Look, I realize how inconsistant relief pitchers can be, but I've never seen anything like this before in my life. Cliff Politte makes Shingo, Koch, Biddle or any other former Sox scrub you can think of look like a legitimate all-star. How does one fall this hard in one year? Thats what I want to know. He was consistently awesome all of last season so its not like he had a fluke month or something. Did he suddenly forget how to pitch in the off season?