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QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) I know we live in an era of poor leadership, but if even you are looking to organizations like Amnesty International for leadership for Stability and Peace in the Middle-East, instead of our government, that's really really sad. We do not live in an era of poor leadership. We live in an era with leadership that has the balls to stand up and do something about it when it's threatened. I know that is disturbing to you but peace at any price is no peace at all. QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:13 PM) And I find this thread amazing -- It starts with the "Well, HAW HAW HAW, Amnesty and the Red Cross aren't saying anything! Hypocrites!" Then they find out that something has been said and their point was destroyed.. Then the bar gets raised -- "Well, who cares if they said something, they're not doing anything!" in an attempt to revive a point that was already DOA. Why is it not surprising to me that asking for deeds and not words in helping soldiers captured while fighting Hezbollah is raising the bar a little too high for you. :rolly

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) But destroying an entire country based on some rocket attacks by a militant group based in Lebanon isn't exactly going to help Lebanon rid itself of Hezbollah, and its going to do nothing but strengthen Hezbollah. I agree with you but for a different reason. As long as you have Syria and Iran sponsoring Hezbollah then Lebanon will never get rid of it. What Isreal is doing right now is killing a few roaches on the kitchen floor while the nest inside the wall goes undisturbed. Unfortunately, going after that nest is a really nasty proposition right now.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:51 PM) Wow, that comment is so incredibly devoid of actual facts that I can't even comment on it. Hardly. Those who would defend terrorists and criminals are perfectly deserving of the comment "waste of oxygen".

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:36 AM) A good solution would be to fight a non-state entity as a non-state entity and not as a state. Israel is destroying one of the most liberal states in the mid-east and a nascent democracy and basically acheiving nothing because Hezbollah fights guerilla warfare and doesn't have big camps and headquarters. They are attacking an unregulated militia by destroying neighborhoods in suburban Beirut. They are attacking an unregulated militia by destroying the transportation infrastructure in Lebanon. They are attacking an unregulated militia by literally destroying the Lebanese government. And sadly it won't end soon - even though nothing but pain will come of this. Because neither hezbollah or the state of Israel is willing to have peace yet. Israel because its acting out of anger and political necessity, Hezbollah because it has nothing to lose. Whod'a thought that we'd be wishing for the restraint of Ariel Sharon. That "unregulated militia" also just so happens to have a significant foothold in the Lebanese government so maybe they're not quite so "unregulated" after all.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) And precisely how much time have you spent learning about what Amnesty International does? Their specific cases? My guess is a total of under 5 minutes. In my opinion, Amnesty does more in the countries that we don't/won't help. To help ease your ignorance, here's a link to their website: http://www.amnesty.org/ I recommend you look at it before you talk about what you don't know about. Its not terribly hard to determine what they do really. They like to give great big hugs to terrorists, murderers and other assorted scum who have no business wasting the oxygen of this planet. They spend their time and energy whining about how the scum of the world is treated when those they would defend deserve to be having the last shovelfuls of dirt thrown on their grave already. Come to think of it, based on their activities they too are a waste of oxygen as well.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:36 AM) Balta, get out of here with your facts. What we need is more baseless accusations and declarations of hypocricy! Nah. What we need is for them to stop paying lip service to people on our side and actually do something. If organizations like this expended a small fraction of the effort they expended on coddling the terrorist savages who are behind this to get people on our side freed then Id be impressed.

QUOTE(Pale Hose Jon @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 09:49 PM) I read the articel and i don't see how this is proof that the iranians helped fire the missle. The article just said that 100 revolutionary guard helped fire the missle. I didn't see any proof of that claim. It doesn't matter if Isreal can prove it or not. The very idea is that much more incentive for them to take a whack at Iran......as if they didn't have enough already.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) Just a thought: why haven't any of these organizations demanded access to the Israeli soldiers being held prisoner by Hezbolla and whever? Since the international community seems hell bent on giving terrorist rights under the Geneva Convention, why don't they try to visit the prisoners that these same terrorosts have? Certainly the soldier taken into Gaza is the responsibility of the quasi-Palestinian state and deserving of Geneva protections. Hezbollah while not a state or has at least as much stature as Al Qaeda and it seems that the international community believes that Geneva extends to Al Qaeda's representatives. So, why would it not also extend to uniformed soldiers held by Hezbollah which, has basically declared itself to be at war with the state of Israel? C'mon, I want to see the reports on how lovely the Hezbolla prisoner camps are treating their guests. Let's see the care and dignity they are providing the prisoners under their watch. Hypocrites. All of them are a bunch of f***ing hypocrites.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203710,00.html Seeing this article made this thread worth a bump. Seems even Bill Clinton is opposed to a fixed timeline to withdrawing from Iraq.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 01:14 PM) Oh, I agree that we should do what we can to win the hearts and minds of "Ahmed Average" in the Middle East. However, that's not going to change the fact that the Islamofascists that run Iran and Syria will use their state-controlled media outlets to spin whatever good effort we make into an anti-Muslim act. We're better off trying to change the minds of other governments - especially those that are UN members. I hate to say it, but somebody's going to have to force a regime change in Iran at some point (and I hope that it's the UN, not just America). This latest conflict was instigated by them (it's no coincidence that it came at a time that the UN was considering taking action against Iran for their nuke program). Hitler Jr. cannot be allowed to support terrorists and pursue nuclear weapons - that's a potentially-catastropic combination. The fact that we've set up a U.S.-friendly regime next door in Iraq suggests that it's been part of the long-term plan anyway. I just hope that it's not a unilateral effort. Europe REALLY needs to get on board with our efforts to contain rogue, terrorist-supporting nations in the Middle East. I just hope it doesn't take a nuclear blast over Tel Aviv, or London, or Paris, or NYC to make them realize the error of their ways.

Saw this one coming from 10 miles away. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203814,00.html Isreal hits Iran in 5.............4............3.............2............1...............

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 08:58 AM) Who cares. ^^ Let them write about the Scrubs if they want to. Hell, as bad as they are all the articles will be negative and what's the harm in that? Personally, I find it quite amusing.

I think the biggest wildcard here is Syria. If Isreal gets a wild hair up its collective ass and decides to hit targets inside Syria then that will draw Syria and Iran into a war against Isreal and that will force the US to come in on the side of the Isrealies. That's the worst case scenario as I see it and I don't think it's too much to say that there's a 50-50 shot of it happening at some point.

QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) Ok this is my own little conspiracy theory... I have nothing to back this up, but the logic does seem to flow. Assume the following: 1) Israel and the Palestinians have been at odds since 1948. 2) Full fledged war in the Middle East has been close several times since then. 3) Israel has had the grounds to strike at Hezbollah, Hamas, etc virtually the entire time. 4) Iran is presently developing Nuclear weapons 5) No nation is more threatened by Iran's development of WMD than Israel. 6) Any military action by Iran would almost certainly be met with overwhelming defense by Israel. 7) Iran has sworn to defend Syria, Hezbollah, etc. 8) An unprovoked assault on Iran by the US or Israel would be met with great resistance internationally. If Isreal can literally provoke a war with Hezbollah, Syria, etc, Iran will probably jump to their defense. Israel's acts are "self-defense" and therefore justifiable. Once Iran is inevitably drawn in, Iran can be struck by Israel (and possibly the U.S). Thus ending the threat of nuclear weapons in Iran. Is Israel's real objective to stir Iran into this skirmish so that they have the international grounds to strike Iran? I don't know... but it seems plausible. Actually I think the reverse is true. Iran is developing nukes.......the U.S. is lining up support to severely punish Iran. Iran gets their puppets ( Hezbollah and Hamas ) to stir up the pot and attack Isreal. Isreal responds and the world attention re-focuses on the Isreal Palestine conflict and away from Irans nukes. That's Iran's goal anyhow but it's pretty obvious to all the players here that Iran and Syria are calling the shots in this latest dustup. What's really sad in this whole affair is the complete and utter ineptness of the U.N. They just dither around and try to condemn Isreal of all people while Iran and Syria ( Who I believe are the masterminds of this war ) continue to throw gas on the fire. I believe that sometime in the near future we'll be at war with Iran and Syria with Isreal on our side. It will be ugly, it will be bloody but I think it's necessary to finally clean out the cesspool of Islamo-fascism that is those 2 countries.

Whitesoxin with a gem here about why Indiana is a terrorist targer.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:28 AM) "Proving ONCE again there IS more than corn in Indiana!" LMFAO!!!!!!!! PRICELESS!!!!!

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) Are they hiring 48 year old men? If they miss their recruiting goal again they might.

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) They won't be jumping for joy when the Israeli fireworks start flying. Latest news says Israel may target sites in Syria, too. What do you guys think the odds are that this expands into a wider war in the region?

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) They won't be jumping for joy when the Israeli fireworks start flying. Latest news says Israel may target sites in Syria, too. Not very bright are they?

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 10:51 PM) A lifetime ban and wiping all his numbers would be enough, IMO. 'Fraid not. According to that article he lied to a Federal Grand Jury. That's a felony boys and girls and he needs to get put away for it.

-Put him in jail. -Fine the living s*** out of him. -Wipe out his records. -Ban him from baseball without possibility of reinstatement. That should about do for this scumbag.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 06:18 PM) Her one post made more sense than 41,000 of your posts. Now that's irony! BTW, you cat is a dead ringer for our cat. Im willing to bet it was Madison that made the other 41,000 posts and SS2K5 who actually made this one.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 08:54 PM) could be against increasing federal spending for Stem Cell Research. This bill has passed the Republican Held House and is predicted to easily pass the Republican Held Senate. Let's hope for 2/3rds passage. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_4033656 ^^ Im totally for stem cell research and I think Bush is wrong to oppose it.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 07:52 PM) And the home of the..... moralists who impose their "I don't like X social choice so nobody gets to do it" mentality on the rest of us. I totally agree with you here. Why is it legal to gamble in Vegas or Atlantic City and in selected other areas but not online? Either you have it totally legal or totally illegal. The insanely archaic gaming laws in this country are really silly IMHO.

QUOTE(Pale Hose Jon @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 05:20 PM) So we are going to blame an entire population for the actions of a few. It is not as if the ruling party of Hamas has declared that they comitted that kidnapping and that in some sort of outlandish resolution the entire population stated that they supported the kidnapping. It would be similar to me blaming all americans and myself for the rape and murder of that iraqi women by US soldiers. Please dont blam the whole for the actions of the few In case you didn't notice, its their stated goal to wipe Isreal off the map. Kidnapping is small potatoes in comparison.