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Awesome stuff Kalapse

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) Obviously it's a pipe dream as we don't have the bullets, but WOW it's ridiculous to think about. The Sox have the bullets if they wanted to give up at least one of Danks/Floyd to go with Poreda and Fields (and possibly one more guy).

I can't see the Sox going after Tex and there is no f***ing way the Sox have the ammo to acquire Chipper. Not to mention there is absolutely no way that the Braves deal Chipper. Hudson would be a stellar acquisition, but again, I don't believe the Sox have the ammo to acquire him (he'd easily be the top pitcher on the market). I would give up more for him than I would ever give up for Dusch. Hudson has proven himself in both leagues and has been rock solid for the Braves. My top preference is Derek Lowe because it means the Sox acquire Roberts on the flip side and potentially get a prospect or two (plus when Lowe walks, if the Sox don't resign him, you are talking about a guy who will net you two draft picks).

QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Jul 25, 2008 -> 06:21 AM) Yeah, Cowley also stated this in the Sun Times...and basically sees a trade involving Fields...Crede walking next year, and us trading for Figgins. And then Alexei would move to SS, and thinks we would go after Orlando Hudson, who is a free agent. So, it would be Figgins at 3rd, Alexei at SS, and Hudson at 2nd. Given the power the Sox possess at the other positions in the field, I could totally live with that (assuming they have the ability to trade for Figgings, which is a major if).

I should shut up, I had no idea he had pitched that well in his last 8 starts. I still don't want him though.

The Sox would be significantly weakening there lineup in such a deal.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) Pitchers traded during the 2004 season: Jeremy Griffiths Dave Weathers Gabe White Denny Bautista Jason Grimsley Mike Wood Octavio Dotel Freddy Garcia Jimmy Anderson Gary Majewski Jon Rauch Mike Dejean Scott Randall Terry Adams Todd Jones Brad Penny Josh Hancock Andy Machado Guillermo Mota Felix Rodriguez Bill Murphy Bartolome Fortunato Jose Diaz Kris Benson Jon Huber Francis Beltran Tom Martin Esteban Loaiza Jose Contreras Ismael Valdez Travis Chick Scott Erickson Jeriome Robertson Cory Lidle Elmer Dessens Mike Venafro Dan Wheeler Freddy was a HUGE get, especially when you consider in the fact that he was mainly bidding against the Yankees. Brad Penny is the only other person you could put on the same level as Garcia and he was acquired as part of a big deal which included LoDuca and Mota (IIRC).

I have zero interest in acquiring Washburn. He could give you some innings, but he throws way too many pitches and never goes deep into games. I don't see him as much of an upgrade over Count. Again, I could live with it as long as the Sox don't give up anything good, but in on way would Washburn really be much, if at all of an upgrade to the rotation.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) The tall guy wearing the Sox jersey was Doug. I believe he was one of the many batters you struck out.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:45 AM) I would call him a prospect, but not legit IMO. The word legit to me means that this player will likely play in the majors, and to me Gartrell is a journeyman at best. He doesn't have one plus tool and you really can't make the majors like that, especially as a corner outfielder who doesn't hit for a high average, have a ton of power or offer small ball and steal bases. Seems more like a DeWayne Wise type that will float around the minors and maybe one day see time as a fourth outfielder. Gartrell has above above average speed, a plus arm, and average power. In general he was thought of as a very raw collegiate senior. The obvious concerns are his age and I'm not saying he's going to be a major leaguer, but he has the potential skill-set of a major leaguer (which is something you can't say about a lot of prospects).

Gartrell is a legit prospect. It must be true if Heads and I agree.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:35 AM) A to be named later. He played on WSI's squad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 05:19 AM) How about we trade him to you and he can give you all of the motivation that you need! Somehow I'm guessing the first word's out of Pratt's mouth would be: That other team is a bunch of "pussies".

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:13 AM) And the plot thickens; Figgins for 2nd base anyone? I don't buy the Angels not starting Figgins. When healthy he is too important to what that club does, imo. I also don't buy the Angles making a big deal. Tony Reagins (GM) has indicated that they aren't anticipating making a big move. The club is 7 games up in first place, has a strong rotation, and the only real void is in the offense but they aren't going to go out and upgrade the offense without finding teams willing to take some ugly contracts off there hands.

Technically Hester has until August 5th or something like that because at that point the collective bargaining agreement indicates that he'd actually be giving up his UFA status for an additional year.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 09:43 AM) I'd put Rashied Davis ahead of Hester as a WR now and last year. I wouldn't. Davis is better fundamentally but he's got a ridiculous skill-set which enables him to get open with ease and make plays.

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QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 10:58 AM) And I couldn't see approximately 1/3 of Uribe's annual salary being a financial boondoggle to Sox. So from my point of view, Uribe for Cora just doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. Now if there is a raw arm the Sox like or that extra cash is going to signing some international FA than maybe I could see it (or if Uribe has told them internally that he wants out and wants to go to a team where he'll play more). But talent for talent...Uribe > Cora and this is coming from someone who likes Alex Cora a lot (very solid bench player).

Street's trade value is higher than his current worth, imo. And since the Sox aren't desperate for a closer I'd pass.

I would probably do Lowe straight up for OC as long as the Sox weren't getting completely raped by the O's in a Roberts deal. I say that because Lowe is a significant upgrade in the rotation and acquiring Roberts makes one less thing the Sox have to worry about in the off-season. I'd prefer to get more than just lowe or include a contract the Sox want to unload but if the Sox can get Roberts without giving up both Poreda & Fields than I make the deal. I'm very very hesitant to trade Poreda because I don't think his trade value is as high as his potential upside.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 10:40 AM) Cubs got Rondell White from the Expos while he was (typically) on the DL I also like how people are ASSuming the 2 picks we get from Cabrera (something could still happen to him) = 2 top prospects. Give me a break. If the team that signs Cabrera also signs another type "A" free agent or two, it's very possible the Sox would have an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick. Based on the Sox's drafting history, I wouldn't be so sure to call someone a "top prospect" just because he was drafted early by them. I won't say top prospect, however, a year out from draft day, its highly likely that those top picks would have pretty high trade value (ie, the value of a top prospect). This isn't to say that those prospects will turn into top prospects or major league stars. However, 2 additional top picks (ie, picks within the top 3 rounds) will be very helpful at continuing to rebuild a depleted farm system.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 08:48 AM) In what world does trading OC in a walk year translate to another team's young starting 3B, a star in the making OF'er or a top prospect? Oh that right, xbox world. The Dodgers are a game out of first place with the s***tiest SS crop in baseball. You could make a case that the clowns they've had at SS are worse than Andy Gonzalez (yes, I said it). Therefor, trading something of talent to get a gold glove SS makes sense. We aren't talking about some POS player, we are talking about one of the better shortstops in all of baseball (plus, Dodgers would be getting two picks as compensation at the end of the season).

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 07:10 AM) I love this time of year. Here's my Super Trade Idea, a 4-team, 16-player deal. I think the last time anything like this happened was that Cubs-Red Sox-A's thing that I think was 4 teams and included a s***load of players including Nomar. My trade: Sox trade: Orlando Cabrera, Josh Fields, Aaron Poreda, Nick Masset, Chris Getz, Nevin Griffith, John Shelby Dodgers trade: Matt Kemp, Andy LaRoche, Chin-Lung Hu, Jonathan Meloan, Blake DeWitt Orioles trade: Brian Roberts, Daniel Cabrera, George Sherrill Rockies trade: Garrett Atkins Sox receive: Brian Roberts, Daniel Cabrera, Blake DeWitt Dodgers receive: Garrett Atkins, Orlando Cabrera, George Sherrill Orioles receive: Matt Kemp, Josh Fields, Andy LaRoche, Chin-Lung Hu, Aaron Poreda, Chris Getz Rockies receive: Jonathan Meloan, Nick Masset, Nevin Griffith, John Shelby From a Sox perspective they are giving up way too much. I like Cabrera as much as the next guy, same as Dewitt, but essentially I believe OC/Roberts are very similar players (and if there is a difference, I favor OC, although I could see where certain teams favor Roberts by a prospect like Getz or Broadway). Therefor, you are talking about trading Josh Fields, Aaron Poreda, Nick Masset, Nevin Griffith and John Shelby for Blake Dewitt and Daniel Cabrera. Are you f***ing kidding me? Fields has more value than Dewitt in the sense that most experts project Fields to be a starting 3Bman, entering this season few had Dewitt as a starting infielder. He's done an admirable job for the Dodgers and has a nice skill-set but one that you can't compare to Fields (and this is coming from someone who knocks on Fields). So I've already indicated that I probably wouldn't do OC & Getz for Roberts (note the O's have on interest in OC so OC would be turned into prospects the O's would want, hence the Dodgers or some other teams involvement). I certainly wouldn't trade Fields for DeWitt. That leaves Poreda, Masset, Griffith, and John Shelby for Daniel Cabrera. I love Cabrera's arm, but he's had a years in the majors and never proven anything. Masset has had a less time and has a less explosive arm but is there (no the O's wouldn't deal Cabrera for Masset straight up). Than there is Poreda who is as raw as it gets but possesses a better fastball than Cabrera (younger too, again, proven nothing at the big league level). I wouldn't trade Poreda straight up for Cabrera, let alone include Masset/Griffith (injury prone and I don't know if he'll live up to his hype but a good raw arm) and Shelby (whom I love as a prospect). Bottom line, this deal is terrible for the Sox.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 06:27 AM) If we turn Cabrera into Lowe, it was basically turning Garland into lowe. Yuck On a standalone basis, Lowe is better than Garland, especially when your talking about one season of either starter. Lowe will garnish type A compensation.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 06:06 AM) If it's Uribe for Cora, straight up, even the first domino bit doesn't compute. It wouldn't make sense unless financially the Sox needed to (as in they are up against the budget or something).