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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) There's a lot of people who thought Gavin Floyd sucked long before spring training and this one particular outing. Maybe he does have a dead arm, but he pitched 7 innings up until today and gave up more runs than strikeouts. For a guy who supposedly looks so great, and has top-of-the rotation stuff, its not so impressive. Have you seen me anywhere post that I wanted the Sox to stick with Jose/John/Gavin in the rotation. f*** no, I've long stated that I'm not comfortable with the rotation but it is what it is and it is absoultely moronic to b**** every time a guy starts, especially when he has been solid this spring. I buy into the fact that Gavin hasn't proved himself and I'm not here saying give him a full season, but I do believe the Sox traded for him and have faith for him and given what the Sox have, he has earned himself a shot for the rotation. I'd give him about 7 or 8 starts this season (that could be less if he is absoultely horrendous during his first few starts) and than we'll see. If he still sucks than I'd be all for finding someone else, but if he's getting better and better each start and giving the Sox a chance to win I don't have a problem keeping him and seeing how he develops (afterall, one full season isn't much for a young player and there are plenty of quality major leaguers who sucked in there first full season).

QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 02:23 PM) just curious, what about all the previous years of gavin floyds career, the ones where everyone questioned his mental approach, and his first season in teh MLB where he garnered a, i believe, 7+ ERA? but yeah, he's good, this is just spring training/dead arm Jeremy Bonderman lost 20 games his first season Greg Maddux lost 14 games and posted a 5.61 ERA in his first full season (this was in the mid 80's, so it isn't ridiculous to say if you had that Maddux pitching in this era that you would have had him post something similar to Floyd) Robin Ventura was absolutely brutal to start his major league career Point being, most young baseball players don't experience immediate success. They go through the motions, make adjustments, and the good ones pull out and become something, the bad ones falter. Gavin Floyd has overcame his piss poor showing in Philly and came to Chicago and instead of wallowing around, he got himself back in track and earned a lot of respect based on the way he took the ball every time out down in Charlotte and had a positive attitude and eventually impressed Ozzie/Kenny/Cooper late in the season in Chicago and has came in this spring and continued to impress (sans today start). Bottom line, the history of baseball shows that most young players fail or at least struggle at some point very early in there career before coming through. Floyd clearly has tools, find me a scout that doesn't believe that and I'd be shocked (now i could see a scout saying he's a risk or that he isn't the lock he once was, but I don't think you'd see a scout, who based on stuff alone, didn't think Floyd was worthy of being a major league starter). Whether it pans out or not, I don't know, but he's going to get his chance to open the season and show what he can do. If he sucks, the Sox will call someone else up or go with Masset or trade for someone. They probably will be in a tough spot when it comes to competing if a few of the starters fail, but we all know that the pitchers will have to pitch and Danks/Floyd will have to grow up in a hurry if the club plans on beating Detroit & Cleveland and winning this division.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 02:14 PM) Anyone who writes him off after today is an idiot. He looked brutal today. End of story. I will also say I understand people who are skeptical and I think people have every right to be skeptical considering how much he failed in Philly. I think a lot of that was mental but that is just my personal belief. However, I don't need to see people say see I told you so after a f***ing spring training game....a spring training game (especially when all spring he has looked pretty good and Ozzie doesn't just go around throwing compliments because Kenny tells him to).

Bottom line is he's the Sox starter, whether you like it or not. I think its pretty petty for people to rip him on one start in spring training as opposed to seeing what he does at the major league level. Plus, if any of you had a clue, you'd realize that pitchers tend to go through a dead arm period during spring and this isn't some typical Hawk BS that he will ocassionally spew to make excuses (I've heard it countlessly from analysts and current/former pitchers over and over and that includes Steve Stone who isn't the type of guy that makes excuses). Yes, Floyd had some bad starts last year, but he also had some good starts against the Tigers and like it or not is the starter. b****ing and moaning isn't going to change it and making stupid comments after he's had multiple starts this spring where he's thrown consistently above 90MPH (well at least based upon what I've read and your right, maybe there is some major conspiracy by the Tribune/Southtown and every highlight I've seen this spring which has shown him at times throwing over 90). Oh and Ozzie has always been the type of manager that kisses a players ass and follows the company line, oh wait, last I remember he has at many times ripped the s*** out of guys (including Brian Anderson, Jerry Owens at times last year who he called too scared to play in the majors). I'm honestly sick and tired of the negative nancy bulls*** and when the season starts I'm just going to start one massive thread to keep stupid whining to (cause I know at times we all need to whine and b**** and get crap out cause all of us are very passionate about this squad). Its one thing when we want to discuss a players skillset and make projections, but its another when I have to see a new thread every time someone has one bad day (especially in the case of guys like Konerko/Dye, etc who have proven themselves to be pretty freaking good players throughout there career).

I agree with you guys that he looked bad today and I absolutely have grown to hate Hawk for all the slurping he does. However, it is one outing and one of my resolutions for this year is to just sit back and enjoy baseball more as opposed to b****ing and moaning about every little thing that is out of my control. Gavin has a good arm and has shown it with the Sox. He clearly didn't have his good stuff today, but that doesn't mean we should just write him off. Afterall, he's looked good in his other outings.

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) Jason, Rock -- Were we watching the same game? Masset looked like dog poo-poo. He has a consistent 91-92 mph with no movement and half his arsenal can't even locate the strike zone. Sure, he can enduce the occasional groundout; but for his stuff supposedly being a "tick below Jenks" he doesn't strike many out. He is no Bobby Jenks, thats for sure. I saw him throwing 2 fastballs, one in the 91-94 MPH range (I counted at least 4 or 5 94 MPH fastballs) which had very good movement (they were heavy fastballs) and than a 2nd set of fastballs, which I couldn't tell whether it was a 2-seamer or a cut, but it was in the 87 MPH range and worked very effectively. He also has a very solid curve (looks more like a knuckle curve than a straight curve to me, but I haven't heard anyone say he throws a knuckle cruve) that he mixes in (although he didn't have great command of it yesterday). I also noticed how he got an buttload of easy ground ball outs and his command seemed a lot better than it usually is (that doesn't mean it is good though). I'm not calling him a stud, but he has the ability to be a solid starting pitcher in time and should be a pretty effective long man. He also has a very effortless delivery. The guy that looked like dog poo was Rich Hill.

I would love Carlos to be a Sox. The odds of the cross town trade every happening are rare and who knows what type of pitcher he will be when his contract is up. I was always hoping Big Z was going to be a free agent this year (as opposed to resigning with the Cubs) because I thought the Sox would have considered making a very substantial offer to him.

He looked pretty good to me yesterday. I f***ing love OC though.

The better question would be a guy like Carlos Quentin, who maybe isn't going to have a spot in the everyday lineup this season. Of course, I'd rather deal Jerry Owens, Uribe, Richar and one of our pitchers that doesn't make the team yet is out of options and than give Quentin/Anderson the job in CF. I say this because you don't need Jerry Owens if you acquire Brian Roberts (since he is the leadoff hitter and speed guy Ozzie wants). Actually the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of acquiring Brian Roberts (the only question is whether. Honestly, I wouldn't be that bummed and while I like Richar's skill-set there is no question Roberts is a better player and given that the Sox are competing they still wouldn't really be giving up on there young players. They'd be clearing salary in Juan, opening up a bench spot for Borgois and solidifying the top of the order. They also would be opening up CF for two guys with a much higher ceiling than Owens (Quentin/Anderson).

Seriously...wtf....you mad, have a grudge, just throw down, at least than the worse that happens is you get a black eye.

QUOTE(Shadows @ Mar 15, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) Hes also getting a contract slightly smaller than what Asante Samuel got.. I dont know how the Raiders are paying all of this.. They gave Kelly that absurd contract, Javon Walker? Now DeAngelo Hall, and they still have to pay the 4th overall pick The Raiders, from what I've heard on the radio out here, are trying to trade the #4 pick. They want absolutely nothing to do with it. Although I still think they end up taking McFadden if he's on the board.

I'm guessing you have a massive collection of MP3's and Videos because thats probably what you'd have to delete. I also am just curious but in this day and age of massive hard drives, what in god sakes do you have on your computer (or is it just a smaller hard drive). Bottom line, you've hit a limit so you'd either have to delete some of your saved files (mp3's, video's, or video games as those are the three things that you'd have on your computer that take up the most space) or add a new harddrive.

I think the Titans locked up the 1 seed with there drubbing of the Anteaters.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 15, 2008 -> 09:58 PM) The Fighting Gages are in the tourny. f***ing amazing....I was a total douche bag all game and loved it. Got to storm the court for the first time in my life and witnessed the mascots fight and get ejected. Wow...Wow....Wow. Its times like this where I am now envious over the fact that I Didn't go to a school known for its main stage sports teams. But holy s***....can you guys say a #16 takes down a #1 cause its gonna happen with Fullerton...oh ya. Oh and at some point during the celebration I was the bearded douche holding one finger up with about 2 other people as ESPN had its camera like an inch from our faces. Oh and if anyone gives me....oh they stormed the court, what a joke bulls***...well all I got to say is...twice in 60 years...twice in 60 years...f*** YES!!!!!

Thats cool. These episodes have been absolutely fantastic. It is really going to suck if they don't pick it up for one more season. Given the writers strike maybe the show gets on last hurrah. Based on the ratings it probably won't though, but I'm really curious how they could possibly close the show out so quickly (they have so many ways they could go based on the current episodes).

I want to say that I want Jason Borgious starting at 2B. I really like that kid. Masset looked real good today too. He still needs to improve his command but he has pretty darn good stuff and has a nice arsenal of pitches. Logan looked filthy. And I continue to think Joe Crede >>>> Josh Fields. I would much rather resign Crede to a 3 year deal and move Fields and some others for some stud prospects (not that I necessarily think it is possible, but it happens to be what I'd rather do). I also have no idea whether Crede would accept a 3yr 21 M deal or something along those lines.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 15, 2008 -> 02:18 PM) According to my friend, who is now a livid Falcons fan, the Raiders just got DHall for their 2ND ROUND PICK. Al Davis finally got the best of someone. Yep. This was a great move by the Raiders, imo.

Hopefully Fullerton slips in...hehe. I think I'm even going to paint my face Fullerton orange.

7 hrs till game time.

You should have seen the other pitches he made. He was absolutely filthy. After seeing this inning of work I made my post that I'd give up anyone on the Sox for him practically.

I doubt Crowe falls, but if he did the Sox would be stupid not to pick him. He's polished with front of the rotation stuff. Fullerton got there asses handed to them yesterday by #1 Arizona after losing a mid-week affair to a top 25 San Diego team (a team that many feel will be in the top 5 when the season is done as they, along with Mizzu, have the best pitching staff in the nation).

WHOOOOO...Fullerton beats Northridge and will play UCI for a shot at the NCAA tournament. Can't wait till tomorrow.

Woot Woot....Fullerton into the semi's. Just got back and good god do they have some shooters on the squad. Defensively they had some miscues and they should have won by about 25 (instead won by a lot less) but I'm feeling like they may just have a chance to win this tourney. Unfortunately I'll be lucky enough to hit up the Pac 10 tourney tomorrow (USC/UCLA will be awesome and I"m hoping for a WSU/Stanford being the other game I see tomorrow) but if the Titans win I can't wait to go bakc to a 3000 person arena and do some more smack talking.

Triste at the Wynn is top notch. Pure at Caesars has been around a bit, but is still very good. Tao at the Venetian is very good, but It is a little too small for my taste (almost non-existent dance floor).