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The Phils don't have the prospects I'd want to make this deal plausible. If somehow we got Rollins instead of Rowand than I'd listen and be quite interested. Both Madsen and Floyd are relatively talented but neither can be considered top prospects at this point anymore, imo.

QUOTE(To LA from Chicago @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) Has anyone ever thought about 'IMHO'? I mean, have you even known anyone to have a dishonest opinion? Just asking.. Welcome aboard

White Sox Sign Po-Yu Lin By Jason Gage FutureSox.com

Good stuff. Pablo is a damn good utility guy that does a lot of good things.

Thought this was good to hear. I think Brandon has a pretty thin frame but he should be able to consistently add 10-15 pounds of muscle each off-season for the next couple years. I really think that will help him eventually settle into throwing consistently in the 93 MPH range while ocassionally being able to go a little harder. I also think it will make him better able to handle the bumps and bruises of an entire season of starting.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:00 AM) The market wasnt what it is right now. Gil Meche, who basically is a 5th starter and has never sniffed 200 innings is going to get a 4 year deal for 10-12 a year. Thats about as inflated as the market gets. Also, why would we be better suited to deal one of our pitchers? I cant see why we should settle for a deal, just because making a move is the best thing we can do. As it stands right now, we most likely still have one of the best rotations in the AL, with one of the most potent lineups. If the deal does not favor us, we are better off standing pat until something catches our attention. I will say this again. If we take the team we took into last year, or something of equal value, the team wins 95+ games 7 out of 10 times. We got pretty unlucky last year and had a year that was disappointing, but also somewhat uncharacteristic of the talent on our team. I think many people on here have xbox or fantasy syndrome where you think that any deal will improve the team, as long as we move pieces. Prospects are also so overvalued on this board. We really arent a small market team, and as good as acquiring a stable of spects to bolster our minor league system would be, I would rather have an establish Ace like Mark Buehrle and sign him to an extension. We are definately seeing things the same way this off-season.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:36 AM) He'll be back next year, book it. All-star for the third straight year. Do you think 5/65 would get it done? I think he would listen to that and I think its a pretty fair offer considering the season he's coming off of. On the FA market I think he would get 5/75 to 5/80 which is roughly 15 or 16 million per season so I could definately see him taking 2 million less knowing he gets it now as opposed to having to wait another season. Plus if he has another season like the last one he wouldn't get near that offer. And if he pitches like Mark usually does, its a pretty damn good deal for both sides. Get er done!!!!

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) I'd say 5/65 is a fair deal for Buehrle and the Sox. Get it done KW. And Boz will officially declare Buehrle his lover upon the signing of the extension Speaking of which...you better be finding a way to get Mark back to his old ways.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:28 AM) Jas, this sentence doesn't make sense...the market is what determines the value of a player, not just a random dollar amount. And the stock market said AOL was worth a ridiculous amount a few years back, but any idiot could have told you they really weren't. Its just the market went crazy and went out of control and people figured oh well someone dumber will pay more and more so they kept going. Just because this year says Riske could maybe get 3 million (and he wouldn't get it if they had to give up a draft pick, not with the other options out there cause he would accept arb and come back to the Sox...I guarantee it) doesn't mean thats what he is actually worth. Is Gary Matthews Jr. worth 11 million, no and thats coming from one of his bigger fans.

Or instead of having that money tied up in Riske we could go out and sign an asian pitching prospect thats 20 years old who has some serious potential for upside. I still laugh at how everyone dumped on Riske and than expects the Sox to offer him arbitration knowing that if we did we'd be stuck with him at like 3 million a year (and no, he isn't worth that and I'd rather the Sox spend 3 million on something else). You can tell me in this market 3 million wouldn't be that bad but I'd tell you that regardless of the market he isn't worth 3 million nor do we need him. I'd just as well work Haeger into the pen (and we know I'm not the biggest fan of that).

Oh man, thats a steal for the Angels. I'd be all over the idea of getting Chad Tracy, especially once they add another starter to there rotation (thus pushing Saunders out of it, even though I like Joe but he will never be a front line guy, back of the rotation guy yes and maybe a good back of the rotation guy).

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 07:28 AM) Two things: - We're not going to get Wells for just one of our starting pitchers. - Wells is going to get a contract in the 8 year, 140 million dollar range...we can thank the Cubs for this ridiculous market. If all it took was one of our starters (hopefully one not signed for the next couple years) and Brian Anderson I would be all over that deal if: we could get him to agree to a 5 or 6 year deal at 15 million a year. I don't know if he would agree to that, but I think if you throw some options and extra incentives that make things worthwhile maybe. Than you can decide what to do with Dye knowing you can afford to just let him walk for draft picks or even trade him since Vernon would be one of our big bats all while playing/filling a much tougher position (CF) and doing it very very well. I'm sure the Dodgers would be all over a deal centered around Kemp or James Loney (maybe even Andre Ethier), Jonathan Broxton and another prospect. Or a deal centered on Billingsley and one of there outfield prospects and something else.

This is great news. We sign one of these guys and it may get some of you all that want to trade half of our rotation for prospects to maybe finally realize we aren't a small market team right now and are able to spend money and keep our horses together. Yes we should have young guys waiting, but why force them into things when we can let them slowly develop. Even if one signs an extension, Bmac will be in the rotation and on top of that this team may have the resources to still go out and sign someone else. Kenny doesn't care about next year, he knows with these guys under contract he can worry about shaking things up next year if he needs to (payroll wise). Thats why I don't understand all this concern over prospects, we have no reason to force the issue to trade guys (especially if we resign one of them). What star are we going to lose if 4 of our starters are signed and the 5th is Bmac. Our pen is young and Kenny trades our relievers before they become FA's anyway (which keeps them cheap) and aside from Dye, all of our bats are signed or at least under our control (although Crede may end up being gone via trade).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) If we're giving up Buehrle, I want both Pelfrey and Milledge back. Thats what I said...in addition to getting one of Heilman/Humber. If that doesn't work than they can go walk.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 07:44 AM) I don't know if this has already been posted, my apologies if it has. It's a Scott Merkin article about a rumored Mark for Milledge deal. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...rtnered=rss_mlb One of the newest rumors making its way around the Swan and Dolphin Resort on Monday involved the movement of White Sox southpaw Mark Buehrle via trade to the Mets in return for outfielder Lastings Milledge. If we resign Freddy, I think we could make a move that allows the club to get Pelfrey and Milledge plus one of Humber/Heilman. Buehrle does have that much more value than Freddy/Javier if you ask me and we shouldn't ask for anything less. QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 07:55 AM) There is not a chance in hell Minyana would do that deal, but were he to, I would take it and run as fast as I could- even if we had already traded Freddy to another team. Remember what he gave up for Bartolo Colon? Now he actually has a team with the resources to trade for an ace and sign that ace to a long term contract (Buehrle or Garcia).

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 04:15 PM) Am I the only one who would love it if we signed Bonds? Considering some of the other ex-juicers that people want us to trade for, I don't see why so many are upset about his 'roid use. I know it won't happen though, but it's fun to even see it rumored. Are you kidding, that would be absolutely fantastic.

QUOTE(bmags @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 11:02 AM) figgens and mcpherson are they just throwin s*** out there now? Technically thats not that awful of a trade. I'd like to get them to give us an additional arm but I really am a big McPherson fan. So if we really think Joe's gone its not that bad of a deal. I also like Dallas a lot more than I like Fields.

Im a big fan of this move.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) They can throw in Hamels, remove Rollins, remove Rowand, add Fabio Castro, and we'll remove Anderson. Garcia for Hamels + Fabio Castro = thumbs up. = PUKE if you ask me. I wouldn't be against the Rollins/Rowand for Garcia deal to be honest. Rollins gives the Sox a damn good leadoff hitter (also means we have Uribe as trade bait for a prospect or two or a reliever or whatever) while Rowand gives Ozzie a legit CFer. I've came to the realiziation that the club doens't like BA so I don't want to see Mack out there, that means I'm a fan of anything that gives us a legit CF and Rowand is that (he's over-rated by a lot of people but he's still decent). I'd prefer other trade scenarious though.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) See that's where you and I differ. I'd be thinking there won't be anybody out so this is a great chance to get all the best candy!

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 08:41 PM) Got a link? No, I just remember him saying he plans on fullfilling his contract. Obviously its not 100% but he's said that quite a few times. I know TMac has said something similar as well.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 05:37 PM) The thing to think about may not be the per-year total. A month ago, I figured if ARod opted out of his deal, he might get something in the $14 mil range for 4-5 seasons. But then I saw what teams were shelling out for guys who don't have near the track record of ARod. ARod might be passing up $81 million over 3 years, but he might be passing that up in order to sign a deal worth $100-$120 million over 6-7 years, or even more than that. Especially if the market keeps going up. And he's consistently said he plans on retiring when that deal runs out. Whether he does or doesn't, I don't see him walking away from that deal.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 05:48 PM) It is a broken system there really isn't a solution here. I think what should have happened was after Michigan lost to OSU they should put both USC and FLA ahead of Michigan. I believe the voters looked at the outrage over Nebraska (which didn't even win it's division much less conference) getting in that they did not want a repeat of 2001. The best thing that could happen for the committee is OSU win because if FLA wins all hell could break loose and for one don't want a good football season to be tainted so go OSU! Thats exactly what I want. Unless its my team, I route for the system to fail because consistent failures are what gives me my small hope that we'll eventually some sort of playoff system.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) Please stop. Dont compare an avg QB to a hall of famer. Griese had ONE good season and thats what you are basing this on? (and when I say good, I mean good, it doesn even touch Elway) Come on, take your head out of the clouds and dont compare the two ever again. Rex is the QB, he has more talent than Griese and is a team leader. Everyone needs to find another outlet for the b****ing about the NFC North Division Champion Chicago Bears. I agree. Rex has done a lot but that deep ball that the pick was thrown in floated up in the wind...end of story. It was a fine read, the only bad read was the one where the LB snuck behind the ref and than came out (Rex obviously didn't see him and that was his mistake). The play calling is terrible and our lack of talent at the WR position (I think we have some guys with talent, but they aren't NFL WR's right now at least not top notch ones) is coming into effect. I also think we've had absolutely zero production out of the TE because we've turned to an all or nothing offense thanks to the ridiculous ass play calling from Turner. I'd like to see a lot more quick developing routes when our QB is getting 3 guys in his face every time he snaps the ball (and that was the case throughout the game) and will be the case since teams are trying to force turnovers. But instead Turner continues to call plays that take a while to develop even though we are getting blitzed numerous times all game (and have been for a few games and will continue to do). Lets make some f***ing adjustments and start calling a more balanced game. Where are the crossing patterns that worked so well for most of the season, the posts patterns, the button hooks...where has all of that gone. More importantly where are plays where our RB blocks and than goes through the line to drift as a secondary option or just a plain and simple screen pass. QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 06:59 PM) If Rex can play like those QB's we can definitely win it all. The things those QB's didn't do that Rex does is turn the ball over. All he has to do is protect the God damn ball and we are good to go. If he goes out there and has one of his 4 turnover spectaculars we are in trouble. No if we have an OC who continues to call for passing patterns where we have no options aside from heaving the ball 40 yards or going to some stupid little pass to Jones who is never open (not a designed screen play just a play where he is a secondary option in the flat thats poorly written up since he's the only receiver even in the area so we really haven't overloaded or anything) in a game with s*** passing conditions...than we'll be in trouble. Turner needs to get his head out of his ass and quickly.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) Bears win their division for the second year in a row. I, for one, think Ron Turner called a terrible game today, and it appeared the WR's were running lazy routes, not to mention the drops. Turner has been f***ing awful about the last 5 weeks. I also want to know where Benson was. Jones wasn't doing s*** against the stud Viking run defense while Benson was kicking ass. Benson is our best back and I've been saying that for a couple weeks. More Benson...less Rex (no not benched, but better play calling cause the s*** we are calling is absolutely awful) ...similar dose of Thomas Jones.