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I donot think they need to make a big trade - just find another big and role with this unit. 55 would be stellar.

I think this is Nagys last game. If they are seriously going after Harbaugh I expect they put the accelerator down fast. Armstrong reps Harbaugh too.

That was not the shot they should have gotten but it worked. Way to battle with everything going Indianas way. Indiana destroyed bulls on offensive glass - especially late. That is a game where having Ball and Caruso would have been huge. White had a 3rd straight good game.

I don’t know is this is the right place for this post - but this is also a good reminder for all of us parents, especially those with young kids - life insurance and trusts are annoying but important to get done. Doesn’t have to be a ton - but less than 100 per month would have generated approx 1M in coverage per spouse (given their young ages). You hope that 100 per month is a total waste but for these types of situations at least you know beyond the emotional hardship at least financially they will be in a position and with a trust you can outline how the proceeds are used until they reach various stages in life etc.

So he is assuming they are going for a pretty big name guy. I am okay if they plan on landing Pete Caroll or Harbaugh or Payton and giving them control. Not that I see any way Payton happens.

That would imply Pace is around for longer - or that is how I would read into it - otherwise you are right - it would be really short sited - unless they plan on making a change on football side now knowing a new Ted will take over in 1-2 years on the non football side or in a role that reports to the main president who was hired now (with ted still remaining on to finalize stadium deal and maybe help groom the president on the non football stuff until he retires). The above would kind of make sense.

Another fun game - Zach ultra efficient again and a ton of great ball movement. White, Javante and Ayo all with real good games too. White 12 dimes was nice to see.

Turns out I too have Covid. Had a little cold and got tested today (was going to leave the house and be at an event this weekend so wanted to get tested just in case) and turns out I had Covid (I am literally 90 percent at this point). Had both vax plus my booster so pretty sure that helped keep this thing as minor as it was (sore throat and a bit of congestion for about 3 days…at this point all that is left is a bit of congestion.

Get better ace!!!

That was the way I read it - that the NBA thinks he will be back.

Rip Madden. A total legend and one of the voices of my personal journey into NFL fandom. I always hoped he would do an annual turkey game broadcast just for old times.

I had read the same thing re: Williams. I am curious if it is with his injured wrist or not. Didn’t see enough specifics. I saw him shooting back when they played at staples but it was with his other hand and he was still in a cast. If this is no cast - great sign. In general I feel like this front office / med staff has had a different mode of managing injuries. They tend to advertise longer windows and players largely come in better than advertised. Not always the case but seems to be a trend. Smart from how they manage expectations (at a minimum).

No they aren’t. I don’t know if half of your list are great ones or not. Carson Wentz was better than some of them out of the gate and he is above average now but not elite. Mahomes is the goat - Herbert looks legit. Jackson is special due to his legs…Murray was system guy who got better every year (but had no adjustment cause they set it up perfectly…smart coaching vs idiot stick Nagy). Wilson, Lawrence stink right now. Doesn’t mean they will stink. Fields had been better than both of them. Mac was put in best spot (elite and smart coaching). I don’t know what Fields would be but he can be great…he can be a turd…he might just be okay…but all of those are still very plausible outcomes vs the asinine box you are putting on him.

Fair point on Wilson. But I still go back to their are plenty who were meh or not that good but who flashed (key distinction) who than got better. Fields will likely suck…but not because of his not being above average as a rookie but because the odds are against him and any young qb. He has tools and flashed it qualities…he has also flashed reasons to be concerned. But his qb rating in year one is right around many young qbs were who became good early in their career. I said qb rating not qbr. His qbr sucks largely because of his fumbles…which are a concern but something that can be easily fixed with better awareness and more experience plus better approach for how he handles the ball.

You are completely ignoring the list I gave you. And Wilson was not well above average. Newton won an mvp but he was not a special or above average passer early in his career. And Rodgers and Mahomes were 3rd and 2nd year players.

No - than I proved my point because the vast majority weren’t above average in year one. My list shows and proves it and where there are exceptions they are rare and usually a story behind the exception (such as Murray and same system or Lamar and how they tailored and designed everything for him.

Awful. Rip and prayers and best wishes to his family.

Rodgers sat for years…there is a massive difference…same with Mahomes. But which elite qbs am I missing? Herbert looked the part from day one and Watson largely did…who else? Murray was ok and got better but also got dropped into basically the same offense he was in. Lamar was special out of the gate - in an offense well designed for him. But those are more exceptions vs norm. But you and I may have different definitions of above average. In general…qbs develop and year 2 and 3 are huge in their progression. They either take meaningful steps or they don’t.

Rodgers and Mahomes sat so doesn’t count. Brady was definitely not above average (statistically) out of the gate. Brees wasn’t either. Peyton Manning had his struggles in year one. Josh Allen wasn’t very good. So I would say most weren’t above average out of the gate. They all flashed though.

Truer words have never been said.

They were .500 or better 3 out of the last 4 years. You are greatly exaggerating how bad this era is…especially relative to the Chicago Bears past 30 years.

If his point is - The bears will mess this up…than he is probably right. Nagy is better than a ton of turds they previously had and it shows the rot runs deeper than the coach. Real changes need to happen and the one bright side is with Pace some of those changes actually happened as they did modernize the front office, training facilities, nutritional programs etc. Pace has his faults…but he started real change as they significantly upgraded how much they spent on non player costs like having more scouts, etc. If he had someone who could mentor him more he would have done better.

Lovie was a good coach. Nagy is an okay coach. Multiple playoffs and 3 seasons .500 or better. Trestman was a brilliant offensive mind but horrific leader of men. He would have been stellar in a coordinator role paired with a head coach like Nagy or Lovie. Nagy is someone who will leave Halas hall with class and If anything Bears did him dirty this year in how they handled the mess. He is a real pro and good man. But it is absolutely a time for a change…but knowing bears…odds are they will hire someone worse. Most teams that are regularly in business of hiring new coaches do.

Coby couldn’t d trae like ayo but he was pretty good in 2nd half and the big 3 have been doing well with White out there. White gets too much hate. He had his limitations and I was his biggest hater. He isn’t what you want given when they picked him but I am glad Bulls are giving him run and it will pay off later in the year (imo). Zach gets under shadowed this year with how good Derozan has been. He fills up the stat sheet with you not even noticing. He could have put up 50 last night but instead put up an effortless 30. Guy is so unselfish and has turns into such a stud. Him and Derozan have been so good and Vuc now finding his offense has been nice cause his defense and rebounding has been better than advertised. Have I said enough times how enjoyable this team is to watch. Such a great bunch of guys to root for. I don’t know what their ceiling is and if they can really win a championship…but shoot…why not. The offense has been elite as of late and they will get back their defensive stoppers soon. Last bit on ayo - I feel like White compliments him and Caruso off the bench well - you have two good defenders and playmakers and than White who can be an aggressive scorer and not worry about the d.

If he just ran the team and relied on others offensive expertise more this would likely be true. I think He will get another shot and do very good one day.