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A few weeks ago Political talk was down to one thread a week. Well we heard your complaints and made changes. First we opened back the SL&P forum, but now we'll go one step farther and open up a seperate forum for all political talk. We will give out one warning. This forum will not be heavily monitored and because of that we will likely pay minimum attention to anyone whining that goes on about something a person told you. Both parties need to know they are going to be getting into a heated discussion (possibly) and that not so nice things may get said. Whenever politics get involved people have a hard time agreeing and many times call each other names. We hope that won't happen, but I'm not going to lie, sometimes it will. The best we can ask is that you try not to do it and make damn sure any disagreements you have with a poster stay in this forum. If they move to other forums you will be harshly punished (as we are leaving things a little more open on this forum). If people have issues with a comment someone made (in terms of politics and assuming it wasn't racist or totally offensive) than the best we will say is to stay out. So for those of you that like to gun it out and rant, rave, and try to enlighten others, well you got your chance. Just keep any differences right here.

A few weeks ago Political talk was down to one thread a week. Well we heard your complaints and made changes. First we opened back the SL&P forum, but now we'll go one step farther and open up a seperate forum for all political talk. We will give out one warning. This forum will not be heavily monitored and because of that we will likely pay minimum attention to anyone whining that goes on about something a person told you. Both parties need to know they are going to be getting into a heated discussion (possibly) and that not so nice things may get said. Whenever politics get involved people have a hard time agreeing and many times call each other names. We hope that won't happen, but I'm not going to lie, sometimes it will. The best we can ask is that you try not to do it and make damn sure any disagreements you have with a poster stay in this forum. If they move to other forums you will be harshly punished (as we are leaving things a little more open on this forum). If people have issues with a comment someone made (in terms of politics and assuming it wasn't racist or totally offensive) than the best we will say is to stay out. So for those of you that like to gun it out and rant, rave, and try to enlighten others, well you got your chance. Just keep any differences right here.

If you notice, you'll see we've made changes to the Swapmeet, renamed Trade Winds (to Sox Trade Winds) making its sole purpose White Sox trade rumors/suggestions and have moved Around the Horn (and renamed it "The Diamond Club") into a subforum as well. This forum is for everything Non-White Sox including all MLB rumors that aren't related to the White Sox. We also have taken a minute to create a new political subforum of SL&P which will be specifically for those that love to rip and yell and basically be all gung ho about one party or issue. Hopefully you all enjoy these changes. It should keep Sox stuff amongst Sox stuff and the generic stuff with itself. I also think this will decrease the amount of double posting, but I'd also like to remind people to check before they make a post. If they are going to post a trade suggestion or rumor, please put it in the Sox Trade Winds forum. If your going to post about a player signing with the Cubs, please put it in the Diamond Club. If you have an article talking about how Ozzie is going to use Juan Uribe in the lineup, please put that in Pale Hose Talk. Anyway just want to also take this time to thank everyone that is a part of this community. We got a great site and its been one hell of a year. I think being a part of Soxtalk made the World Series run even more special and that definately wouldn't have happened without all of the members. Just want to wish you Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year.

This forum is now the place where all White Sox rumors will be posted. If it doesn't involve the Sox, please post it in "The Diamond Club". Whenever a rumor becomes a reality the post will be moved to the main forum (Palehose talk) and discussion will continue. Please do your best to make sure you make a post in the right forum. Hopefully everyone will enjoy this change as we feel it will make things more organized and result in less double postings (that way people can go to one spot to find everything they need).

Around the Horn has undergone a little bit of a transformation. This is not only a place to talk generic baseball news, but its also the place to bring up any and every sort of trade rumor involving teams other than the White Sox. Are the Indians about to make a move to bolster their club, post it here. Is a former White Sox player on the move, put it here. Anything non Sox and baseball related can be found and should be posted here.

I'm working on an experiment but mid way through had plans to go to dinner and am gonna finish it up right now.

I'm gonna be all over this game. I assume it will be released for 360? Cause my thoughts are I'll purchase this game and 360 at the same time.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) The Sox will pay Mark B. $10 + million soon and have no regrets about it. Garland has issues in that we don't know if he had one good year and will go back to mediocrity. Jose, we don't know how old he is, whether his age will affect him and if he just got hot in the second half. Mark is a workhorse, who you know will give you 16-20 wins, 3.00 - 3.50 ERA and tons of innings. He is the only one I would think of giving the huge money to. I always consider the PCL a hitters league, but I may be wrong.

Soxfest...Just look at what the Orioles gave Hernandez. He got more money per yr and no one is going to tell me he's better than AJ. I think they are on a similar level. I think you'll also see Bengie Molina eventually sign (if he goes multi year) for a few mill more than AJ. I will say this, over the course of a full season (if healthy) I think Bengie is the better of the 3 catchers (he's a good hitter, is slow as molasses, but is good defensively). AJ is a solid hitter and calls a hell of a game, plus he fits in well with the club (he also has all the intangibles of a winner).

Awesome. Very fair deal, imo. I think he's better than Hernandez who just signed a deal worth like 7 mill a year with the Orioles. I'm really happy to know that AJ will be on the southside for a while longer.

Yes, I'm going to be in the championship game. I was the 4th seed and won by 40. Freddy Taylor was the only guy to have a bad game. He was a last second starter over Warrick Dunn. Hasselbach had another great game for me, Rackers was solid, the Bears D rocked, Thomas Jones was good and all 3 of my WR's put up a TD (Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin). I even put Todd Heap on the bench today just as a safety maneuver (not that I think he'd get -40 points, lol). What made things great. His team had Vick at the helm and I have the Bears D, Thomas Jones and Brian Urlacher. I figured it would come down to this game and it probably did. His only good performer was Tiki who had a monstrous day on Saturday.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 09:04 AM) I was wearing my black Pea Coat so it might have been me.. And believe it.. it was worse then when we were at the Ravens game. Brrr.... Does that have a furry hood or some sort? If it does, than you were once again famous and on national TV I think if I were at the game yesterday, I'd have just had the hot chocolate guy sit on the steps cause I'd need it all the time (not only does it warm your hands when you hold it, but it warms you up when you drink it).

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 08:56 AM) Hehe... I was wrapped up good. I never Tivo the Bears games so I wouldn't be able to go look anyway. Figures.. I'm never on when I fix my hair. Just when I'm crying or wrapped in 15lbs of clothes. I could see a few inches of face and the eyes so that was the only view. It was a closeup of you, so I couldn't see anyone to the left or right. The person was wearing like a black jacket and was totally covered up. I just thought about how cold I was at the Ravens game. I couldn't imagine being there last night.

WS/Kanny/Bristol/Charlotte are all very close. Bham and Great Falls are the only ones farther away and Bham isnt' that far away (if your flying). There was definately a reason behind it, because it allows there roving minor league instructors and scouts (as well as Wilder and others) to be able to easily go into an area and see a bunch of players. Guys like Kirk Champion are always on the road going to one of those areas, so the less time they spend traveling, the more time they can spend working with the prospects. Its a fun trip too.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 06:43 AM) Holy crap.. I am still not completely thawed out. By half time my fingers and toes - under several layers of socks, gloves, ski boots and about a case of those damn hand and feet warmers.. were a nice shade of blue and had no feeling. Beer froze within minutes of it being poured, quite a site. The crowd was amazing. Steff, I'm not positive, but I think at one point they showed you entirely bundled up (you could barely see anything so it may not have been you).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) Ehh, Green Bay is a horrible team....we have a real QB, you know Favre will make a couple completely retarted throws. Might be a close game, but it's a win. We probably should have lost to them two weeks ago.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Would just like to say LOLOLOL to white sox josh's boy, orton. I still give Orton credit. He did a hell of a job as a 4th round rookie on a team thats going to hopefully make the playoffs (until its official, I'll stick with this). Rex (if healthY) and if he can continue to improve the next couple weeks will make the Bears a much scarier team in the playoffs. I admit, I was wrong and I'm glad, Rexy!!!

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Jason knows whom was behind Rex 10 times outta 10.... Jason... you were jazzed up? i was hard. love it. Mark, from day one I remember you giddy when the Bears drafted Rex. Hell, I'm about to call him Sexy Rexy (although I know you got that patented). If he can build on what he did today (ie the offense actually moving the ball) than its gonna be a really good Christmas and maybe a better January. Its gonna be tough on Christmas though. Packers have a good defense and you know they'll want it badly. Defense is gonna have to be on its game again.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) You get that feeling when Rex cames in, something was different in the air. It was weird. Rex is so strong armed, so decisive, and so quick to release. I Rex. i hope he stays heatlhy and can get out there and keep playing for a long time in Chicago. The Bears just really seemed to gel once he came in. He still made a mistake or two, but he made good decisions for the most part and was throwing strikes (and bullets to boot).

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) Thoughts on the QB change? Can't complain. Grossman came in and looked awesome. He's going to have his ups and downs but if the Bears were going to make a change, it had to be this week (that way Rex can have a few weeks to get comfortable). I now remember why I loved Rex so much. He has such a quick release and he gets the ball out in a hurry (which really helps out). The team just looked so cocky in the 2nd half, it was great. I also must admit, I was really jazzed up when I saw Rex come into the huddle.

What a freaking win.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) Comparing his qb rating to some of the all time greats their rookie seasons. Fouts, Elway, Manning, and there were a few more I forgot. Orton had a better qb rating then all of them outside of Manning who had a 71 qb rating his first year while Orton has a 69 qb rating. I know it's hard for you guys cause you're in the middle of a playoff chase but it's just unrealistic to expect a rookie qb to be even good in his first year, it almost never happens. Thats what I keep saying. I think we have our QB of the present and future on the roster right now and I tend to think that guy is the starter (although Grossman could very well be it, cause they both have the tools).

Dbaho...be very very quiet, the Boys got CLOBBERED. Wow what a whooping. Now its time to get ready for the Bears game WOOT.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Vikings looked awfully good today. It's amazing what happens when you play a real NFL team. The Steelers are looking great. They are definately a team to reckon with in the playoffs, although they definately aren't locks anymore (although they got an easy finish of the schedule). Chargers still have the Chiefs and I believe the Broncos'. Jags should be in good shape too (although right now they are beatable with Gerrad at the helm).

This should make up for my USC/UCLA prediction. For a good amount of time this year, one of the statements I've long made is that the Bolts would take out the Colts either in the regular season or post-season. I didn't say when, but I said it would happen. I think the Chargers match up well with the Colts. A healthy Steelers team does as well, as does Jacksonville (with Leftwich). Cinncy could make it interesting in the playoffs as well, but there defense is bad and Rudi isn't LT.