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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) Dotel is a FA??? And if it were a righty KW looks at, I think he should consider Jeff Nelson or Ben Weber. These are the kinds of guys that fit on the Sox...and if all else fails, I have no problem with bringing Kelly Wunsch back. Others I would consider: Shigetoshi Hasegawa Danny Graves Chris Hammons Antonio Osuna All losers. No offense. Graves was horrid this past year. Hammons (isn't he a lefty?) has no stuff and is washed up (maybe he put up good numbers, hell I never knew how he put up good numbers but he did a couple years). Shiggy hasn't been a good reliever in a few years Ben Weber is god awful Jeff Nelson is an old fart Dotel wasn't great last year, but he's still young, has a power arm, and has above average stuff (plus he's been able to pitch). He's actually got ability and consideringh is injury (and the fact that hte Sox have depth) I think he'd be a nice guy to look at. I have no idea if he's expected back at the start of the season, but he's be a nice insurance plan and could be a good arm in the pen (although I'm sure he'd want to go to a team where he'd have a better shot at closing).

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Your friend needs to be slapped with a frying pan. Agreed and this is coming from someone that wasn't a huge Pippen fan. That said he's one of the greatest all time players (definately belongs on the 50 greatest list) and if the Bulls didn't have Jordan he'd have probably been the 3rd best player in the 90s (behind Stockton and Malone who would have been the greatest duo ever as far as I'm concerned). Pippen was a stud defensively (one of the all time best defenders), was good offensively (I thought he took too many 3's, but he made the big ones) and was a very good passer. Plus the man knew how to use the backboard. He should have been the MVP in 94 when the Bulls lost to the Knicks in 7 at the garden.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) Stockon is considered to be the best pure point guard in nba history by many, many people. I think he's the best Pg of all time. Although I must say Magic gets some consideration, but I consider Magic more of a hybrid player. I think Stockton was better than Kidd, although Kidd is a pretty darn amazing player.

Wow, thats horrible.

Holy cripes. Mitch Wylie. Hell, I didn't even know the former Sox was still around, let alone was going to be a Rule V pick at the major league level.

It would have been more than 5 million. My guess is it would have taken a couple million a year increase. He's getting 13 million a year right now for 3 more years. The Cubs off (according to Offman) would be 9.5 million. Thats 3.5 million a year less than Furcal got. Now it was for two more years. Because of that I could see them taking a 1.5 mill a year discount. My belief is it would have taken a minimum of 2 million a year more (for a total value of 10 million over the life of the contract). Thats not exactly a small amount. It may have taken more like 5yr 60 million to get him signed. Just to make matters that, I and a few others on this board have as many sources as Offman do (offman isn't exactly a rumors expert, although he has improved the past year or so).

I wouldn't mind looking at Dotel (don't know how much he's looking for). He's coming off an injury and isn't a great closer, but he'd have closers experience and could come in and be a good setup man (a great one if he's healthy). Plus if Jenks or Hermy falter you have a really good backup plan.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) I have had a man crush on two players. Kelly Wunsch and AJ. Other than that, like Rowand said, there have been players here that I have liked more than others, but not a favorite. I'm more the type of person that has players he hates. Jose Valentin was long that guy for me. Contreras was looking to be that guy but he impressed me so much last season (even during his struggles). Right now I can't say I hate any one guy. Marte pissed me off a lot last year as did Timo at times. As far as favorites. Mine is hands down Paul Konerko (Buehrle/Garl and Cotts are next). I'm also a big Neal Cotts fan (was a huge Arow fan), definately like AJ's gamesmanship, love Crede's defense and flat love watching Juan play the game. I'm less of a fan of Iguchi than any other starter on the Sox. He has a pretty swing at times, but I don't think anyone whiffs as ugly as he can (that includes Crede).

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) I was forced to have indian food tonight. ....not that impressive :puke

Bajenaru will be a quality reliever at the major league level. Won't be great, won't be horrid. He'll develop and get a shot somewhere and finally stick.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) What this tells me is the White Sox feel that none of Arnie Munoz, Paulino Reynoso, or Corwin Malone are in the immediate plans for 2006. Nor should they be. Malone is still working his way back, Munoz is a joke and Reynoso has a hell of an arm but has no idea where the ball is going. I'm overly harsh on Munoz, but he has lost his arm slot for that curve and isn't the pitcher he was two years ago. He could figure it out again though. If the Sox want another lefty they need to look outside the organization. I wouldn't be shocked for them to pick up another quality RH reliever. I think they have some concerns and its always smart to make sure you have depth in the pen.

Steak, Rice, and Salad.

That was a lowball offer so I don't buy what Offman's saying.

Good stuff Rex

QUOTE(OldSox2 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Jim H. I wasn't complaining. I saw my name and responded. I don't think they should have given up Gio. Just my opinion. Jason, I remember you liked Rupe also. I know he came up in September and looked okay in one game, as I recall. But that Everett trade is old news. Thome/gio is not. We'll see. If he hits like he did five yrs ago, fine. If he hits like he did last yr, not fine. And Jim H, you sound as if the 2005 team was composed of vets we got for prospects. Not so, other than Freddy. Marte we got for a prospect, but that was not significant. Uribe for Miles, but he was not a prospect like Reed/Gio. Anyone else? I'm delighted you can hang on to the World Series trophy. I guarantee you I was cheering and pulling for the Sox as much as you were. My history as a Sox fan goes waaay back. Relax. There were quite a few people that raved about Miles. We got Uribe. Guerrier was a guy that was being talked up as a potential 5th starter candidate when the Sox shipped him off for Marte (he was a prospect and has turned into a solid reliever in Minny) Joe Valentine was a guy that many people liked and we dealt him for Cotts (along with Foulke) Reed and Morse were both good prospects (plus Olivo) and we got Garcia We traded Mike Cameron (a good young player) to get Konerko Carl Everett was on the team because we made a trade to go get him the year before (giving up Majewksi, whose a solid reliever). Everett may not have been great, but he was an integral part of the team. Fact of the matter is, the Sox made good use out of dealing some prospects. They also made use out of developing some in-house guys. Bmac, Buehrle, Garland (I consider this in-house), Jenks (not really in house, but we moved him to the pen), Rowand, Crede. They had a good combo and they won the world series. They woudln't have done that had they not been willing to give up some of those prospects listed above. No team is going to hold onto all there prospects and Kenny has done a good job keeping certain ones and getting rid of others. Yes, I was high on Rupe, but he was an A ball pitcher and those guys don't have value (unless your a very high draft pick or throw 99 MPH).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) Regardless of what happens tonight, this game REALLY shows how much we need Ben. We've done a great job not turning it over, and still are struggling to score. Without Ben's offensive firepower, we aren't the same. Disagree, the Bulls just didn't shoot the ball well tonight for the most part. They got plenty of open looks. Hinrich played great. They lost this game because they started the game horrid and than they couldn't protect the ball in the 4th quarter.

I'd find a way to get Heads a girl. But in all seriousness, I'd like to get my dad the scout seats for a Dodgers game (it will probably be a few more years till I can afford it). It will be a small price to pay for all that he's given to me during my life.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) I think it looks fantastic. I wonder if the sequels are in the making already, or if they are going to try and gauge the success of the first one before they commit to it. Despite it being a kids based movie/story, it looks really interesting. I'll probably check it out eventually. The effects look fantastic.

QUOTE(maggliopipe @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) so does he still need to stay on texas' major league roster all season? Yep. If he doesn't than they will have to offer him back to the Sox who would in turn have the right to pay 25,000 to buy them back (they got 50,000 from KC) or the White Sox could opt not to buy him back, allowing the Rangers or any other team to keep him (basically he goes through waivers or something of that process and become a ML FA, IIRC). The Rangers could also negotiate with the White Sox on a trade that would allow them to keep Castro, but let him go to the minors.

QUOTE(OldSox2 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) Gene and Jason: I'm back, and, yes, I hated giving up Gio and Haigwood. Especially Gio. Giving up Rowand for Thome should have been plenty. We did the Phillies a big time favor by taking Thome off their hands. Why did we have to give up Gio? I also hated the Jeremy Reed trade, but I softened after we signed Freddy. At first there was no indication we would sign him, and that's when I did most of my b****ing. I expect Reed to come into his own in '06. I also hated the first Everett trade. Still do. Rupe should stick this year, Webster soon will, and Rodriquez will too if he is over his chair throwing punishment. Prospect trades can backfire big time. Trading Johnny Calison for Gene Freese in '59 was the worst. Some of the trades we made FOR prospects were okay. Like getting Garland for Matt Karchner. I loved that one. Years ago, when we traded for guys like Fox, Pierce, Minoso (the first time) we were getting prospects for over the hill players. Other teams had similar results from trades for Smoltz, Bagwell, and many others. So now we are getting an old, way past his prime player in Thome, who is expensive, slow, injured too often, didn't hit a lick last year for a solid major leaguer in Rowand who is entering his prime. Still, I can accept that risk, but giving up a stud like Gio was way over the top. Unnecessary, considering the risk we are undertaking with Thome. Sorry if my previous b****ing annoyed you. I ws just on a rant. I thought that's what this board is for. later. Just want to point out one thing. Anthony Webster was available for all to have this off-season (via the Rule V IIRC). Josh Rupe stunk in the majors his first time around and while I'm a Rupe fan, there is far from a guarantee he will have any sucess. As far as Rodriguez goes, he wasn't throwing like he did when the Sox had him. How were they supposed to know his velocity was going to jump and he'd take off in the Rangers organization (I'll give the Rangers people credit, but Rodriguez also has some mental issues...ie the chair throwing incident). As far as Gio/Haig go, when you get the type of cash the Sox got from the Phils it means your going to give up prospects. The Sox have a rotation that for the most part is expected (and we hope will be) in tact for the next few years so Kenny was able to trade a couple prospects at peak value, which he did. Whether you develop them or deal them, Kenny has made sure when he deals a guy he deals them near peak value. Joe Borchard was going to be a super star, so was Miguel Olivo...what happened with them. Kenny held Borch and moved others and so far he hasn't traded any one guy away that I really wish we had back (prospect wise). I appreciate that and I give him credit. He deals guys he doesn't see as long term fixtures in the organization and will hold other prospects he likes. He also found ways to get Bobby Jenks and acquired Neal Cotts when some people were pissed about giving up Joe Valentine. Kenny knows what he's doing and just because he gives up prospects doesn't make him a fool. The Braves have long dealt away certain prospects, but they tab certain one's developmental guys which they hold onto with the plan of developing 1 or 2 of them a year at the major league level. The Giants have been a sucessful organization for a long time and they have based that on typically trading away prospects (they aren't much of a developmental organization) but they have done a great job dealing prospects and getting major league talent in return that has helped there team win for the most part of the past 10 years or so.

QUOTE(Balance @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) So, here's a question for you hard-core soccer fans- what's the best way for the average U.S. viewer (who, like me, is not really familiar with international soccer at all) to watch and appreciate the World Cup? I'd like to give it a chance. The US games will all be on TV as will other games. I had a blast following the World Cup last time around and I'm excited for the upcoming cup. The key will be to stay up at odd hours (since there is the time zone difference).

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) You guys think MJ will speak??? I heard somewhere, ESPN 1000 probably, that this was gonna be the biggest reunion of players from the championship run. I heard Rodman, Kerr, Wennington and Pax (obviously).... anybody else coming out?? Will Dennis Hopson be in the house?? Thanks Pipp Will Perdue is supposed to be there. He was in Orlando and the announcers mentioned that he was going to be flying into Chicago for Pippen's retirement. I'm going to make sure I check this out and take a breaking from my studying for this.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 09:05 AM) refresh my memory, who was he traded for? He was part of the trade for Jimenez I think. It may have been the one where we got that sidearm reliever from them (Scott Sullivan), but I thought it was the Jimenez deal.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 7, 2005 -> 09:15 PM) I guess those rumors that the Jays denied Overbay for McGowan weren't true then... And I respectully disagree with Jason, I like this deal for the Brewers and I think Bush is gonna be a good one. After seeing that they were getting Jackson and Bush, plus opening up a spot for Fielder I changed my tune. I think this is a good deal for both teams. The Brewers are a well ran organization (never thought I'd say that) and this is another nice move.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) Alrighty, let's switch up some names here. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5148464 I'm wondering what Toronto is going to do with all it's 3B/1B types -- Hinske, Koskie, Overbay... Am I missing someone? My guess is one will DH and the other will be on the way out. Koskie is an obvious starter at 3rd if he's healthy while Hilly would be the obvious DH, imo. I'd say Hinske is the odd man out and I don't know what his status is, but I doubt he has that great of trade value. I like this deal from both sides perspective now. Zach Jackson is a really solid left handed pitching prospect. Pitched for The aggies, IIRC, and is a former 1st round pick (or supplemental). The Sox were pretty high on this kid as well and drafted him out of high school. Didn't have the greatest numbers in the minors but is near MLB ready. They are getting themselves a good minor league arm, a 4th or 5th starter right now (Bush) and Gabe Gross (talented, but has never lived up to the hype). Not bad for the Brewers and still solid for the Jays cause they got themselves a good bat.