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QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) If he won't resign and is for sure going to test the FA market next season, I wouldn't mind trading him for something so that we don't completly lose out on something unless he becomes one of the players that gets us a draft pick if he goes somewhere else. Remember, we can always let him walk and get 2 high draft picks for him (although that won't result in immediate help to our farm system, its a good way to start).

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) After skimming through all the fun trade scenarios, whether it's trading Garland (and others) for Blalock, Tejada, Crawford, etc, would you be happy if Kenny Williams trades Garland for a good prospect or two ? I know the minor league system is one reason we were able to get Thome, and Vazquez, but I also want to repeat next season. I'd rather have Garland, and McCarthy out of the bullpen (as insurance in case of injury) then have the minor league system get reloaded (potentially). What say you ? No, I'd rather hold onto him in case any of our other starters get injured and than if necessary we can always deal him at the deadline to fill another hole or get prospects. I like the idea of building up our farm system, but we better get a hell of a lot in return for a 26 year old coming off a very strong season. At the same time, I like strengthening our team and I think Kenny does as well. He ain't going to be dealing Garland for prospects, he's gonna do it for a good major league position player, plus a reliever (or a hell of minor prospect that he thinks can come right up and be a good reliever) and than maybe a prospect on top of that (depending on if we give up something else).

Good post fathom.

QUOTE(LDF @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) mlb, espn, fox sports, cbs anaylsis of trades, let alone some sports writer all mention that the trade favored the other team, but in they know why kw did the trade. i guess most are judging on 2 levels, talent vs talent and then as a side note, how it will effect the team. i don't know, that is how i am reading it. In the end all that matters is the W/L. Kenny's deals really paid off and he's a fair trader. Two years ago everyone was saying we gave up too much for Freddy, they aren't seeing that now. We absolutely reamed the Yanks when we got Contreras. Kenny makes deals and everytime they make sense. The Vazquez deal was odd, but it makes sense from the financial standpoint and for the reasons that it will take less pressure off the Sox and put more on guys like Contreras and Garland.

I think you both are onto something. I think thats who it will be. It can't be Quentin, just too damn obvious. This weeks episode was great though.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:30 AM) Well, I don't think it's quite as obvious for the reasons you gave in the latter part of the post. We can's possibly know if they--the D'Backs--preferred Young over Milledge. Actually, from all I've read, I've got great reason to believe Milledge is the better of the two prospects--difference being, Young has the power numbers. Milledge makes a whole lot of sense to me as does a combination of Wilkerson and Danks/Diamond. The organization seems to have a working relationship with the Danks family and Wilkerson is a prototypical-Williams type player--although he really has shown anything goes as of late--and Danks and Diamond both project to be front-of-the-rotation pitchers. Keep Crede and Blalock out of it. That situation is a mess. I'll take Young over Milledge every day of the week.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) I'd pass.. he's not my type.

So are you guys saying you wouldn't do Blalock, Wilkerson and Danks or Diamond for Garland and Crede? I hate giving up Crede, but if Crede's back is going to be an issue, I'd make the move. I think Blalock has a heck of a lot of talent, but he has definately struggled as of late.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 05:25 AM) http://www.justiceforkurt.com/ http://www.cobaincase.com/ http://www.deathofkurtcobain.com/ Courtney Love hired someone or did it herself. I'm convinced. I've long said this too.

Well, lost an A in one of them today. Decided I was too lazy to study. Best news is, only two more down and tomorrow at this time I'll be home free. Well I'll be halfway towards drunk.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) Then he can kiss Kenny's ass (well actually he may like that so no he can't). Why would we give up Brian Anderson and one of our 4 horsemen for essentially Aaron Rowand (slightly better offense, slightly worse defense and more expensive) and a middle reliever? Garland has to net us more and I hope its either part of a blockbuster (Tejada) or some stud prospects (catcher, pitcher, infield). I liked the idea initially of getting Kotsay and Duscherer or Calero for Garland but I think Garland can get us more (stud prospect) and certainly not cost us our #1 prospect (Anderson) as well. I didn't say both, rather one or the other.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:44 AM) IIRC, he fumbled the first punt he ever saw in the NFL when the 49ers shellacked the bears 49-7 a few years back. That was our warning, we missed it. Please, never ever ever speak of that game. My buddy and I had the great idea of driving 7 hr's to San Fran to see that game. My god what a whooping we saw.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:02 AM) Indeed. They could go with an outfield of Nick Swisher in LF, Milton Bradley in CF, and Jay Payton in RF. And the Big Hurt at DH (cause if they keep all of these guys, then it makes no sense for them to sign Big Frank). Well, plus I think if they made a deal with the Sox they may have interest in Sween or Anderson (probably Anderson). Think payroll reasons too.

I'm not a fan of going after Griffey. If I'm dealing Garland, I'd rather offer him up for Ichiro or another very good player that doesn't have history of injuries. Plus I don't think Griff can play center (who knows if Ichiro could either). If I'm dealing Garland, I'm getting a CFer (or Tejada cause Tejada is the man) thats signed for a few years and is already good (must be able to play some D) and a bullpen arm (a good one). Mark Kotsay and Duerscherer or Kiki Calero would make sense, but I don't know if the A's would want Garland (although Beane has never had a problem taking guys with a year left on there contracts). Especially cause over the long run he'd be saving cash. He could also want a guy like Brian Anderson.

Just to add something else. Bradley can easily play CF, which would make Kotsay even more expendable (especially with him signed at 7-8 mill a year the next couple seasons). He does have a no trade clause which would have to be waived, which to me would be the only hold up. Kotsay on the market makes sense and he would definately fit in with the Sox. The general idea I get is that Kenny isn't in the mood to rely on a couple guys developing when he's trying to defend the world title. Right now he wants good guys (that are signed and going to be around a couple more years, but they are proven) and Vazquez, Kotsay, Thome they all fit this bill.

I realize he's been a California boy (I assume he's a native cause I know he was the s*** back at Fullerton, Golden Spikes award winner and all that stuff), but wouldn't you think he'd at least consider waiving his no trade clause to go to the defending World Champs (plus Chicago is a really nice city). I'm sure he could talk to Rowand and ask Aaron how he liked it.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) Associated Press reporter Rob Blum is on MLB radio speculating that the Sox will look to get Mark Kotsay for center field. I wonder if he's related to Geoff. I doubt this happens though. We need to save money somewhere and KW loves Anderson. Actually one of the 1st names that popped into my mind was Kotsay. He can play defense, is a left handed bat, has pretty good all around ability and fits into the 2 hole. He's a total gamer too. The question is, can we also get a bullpen arm . I could even see the A's interested in Garland, but at the same time I think Sweeney or Anderson for Kotsay could be an option. Especially if they could work in one of the A's bullpen arms (maybe Kiki, whose coming off a down year). I know we'd have to give up more than that, but Kotsay is also coming off a down year (he's a very similar player to Rowand though, imo, but better offensively and maybe just a minor minor tad worse defensively but it ain't by much). Considering Kotsay's contract, I could see the Sox being able to get him under mkt value (although I'm sure they would want cash). I could definately see this happening, although I think it would be interesting to see how exactly things match up.

Wow, were getting some serious cash if that report from the USA today is true. 4 million each year, plus we get Duque's ugly contract off the books. I realize we gave up a really good prospect in Young, but we just got ourselves a guy with good stuff (who has put up above average numbers before) and are going to be (net wise) paying 1.5 million more for him than Duque/Viz. Plus we'll have him another year at 7.5 mill to 8 mill and than the following year we will be able to have his rights (supposedly).

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 07:34 AM) Under 95 million for sure. If they got Tejada, we'd have to be in the 100 mill range.

I want another reliever or two.

Crap, this is interesting. I love Tejada so honestly I can't see any reason not to get him. Still, I'd find it odd we'd send Bmac and not Garland or Contreras. Simply becuase it sounded like Kenny was worried about who they would get. But man, I've never seen such an off-season. How the hell am I supposed to study for my remaining 3 finals, lol.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) The Angels have definately regressed...as of right now. They have a worse catcher (Jose Molina instead of Bengie Molina), still a gaping hole with not even a warm body @ DH, they've lost 2 starting pitchers and only have Ervin Santana available to replace them. On the other hand...this is a situation which could turn around very fast. I'm thinking mroe and more that Molina may well wind up accepting arbitration and end up with the Angels for another year, since the Mets already have a catcher and they were the ones that this year's catcher crop was holding out for. Furthermore, they still have Dallas McPherson @ 3rd base, and he was starting to show signs of big-league promise last year before he was hurt. They also have youth available to fill holes. For all we know Finley or Anderson could have a better season next year if they're healthy. And then of course, they're still the big variable...the trade request from Manny. Don't count the Angels out as regressing yet. They have a ton of young talent, including pitching talent that they could pull into the big leagues, they have tons of people they could trade, and they have a ton of money to spend. The Angels didn't offer Molina arbitration and they are going to be bad next year.

QUOTE(Tadahito Iguchi @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) ok, I wasn'y completely sure if my info matched the other threads but I guess it does, Thanks, So what do you guys make of this deal? I'm not liking it to much I think Chris Young is going to be a hell of a player..........And I think Vasquez will get lit up at the cell..............BTW does he have any playoff experience? Ya, with the Yanks (or did he not pitch when the Yanks were in the playoffs?)

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) If anyone watch the AFL, how could you not be high on Owens. Also, Young struggled in the AFL. The Sox are extremely high on him. I've said some negative things about him in the past (in terms of people getting overly excited about him), but the guy is a very good athlete. He has tons of speed, but he needs to better utilize it. However, the guy has made a heck of a lot of strides since joining the organization and a lot of people forget just how raw this guy was when he was drafted. The guy has tools.

No need for 2 threads. All the info is going to be in there so I'm gonna merge this.