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QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) Someone needs to use fathom's phrase and bring "OMIT TIMO!" signs to the next homestand. Maybe Kenny will get the point and cut his worthless hide once Frank is healthy. Its the ultimate unifer of Soxtalk. Just think of how pleasant this place will be the day Timo gets cut

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) Timo was getting WAAAY too much playing time as it is. No bat, crappy base-running, and shoddy defense -- he has more than earned his release. This is a rare time in which I agree with you

This reminds me of the time machine in Napoleon Dynomite.

QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ May 27, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) I have a TON of respect for McCain, but I can't stand that he went around stumping for GW before the last election. GW showed McCain no respect in 2000, but because McCain wants to run in '08 he swallowed his pride and went with the party. I'm tired of the politics in politics. And Hillary essentially hand picking her seat in New York isn't politics??

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:23 PM) Here's a question. Jordan Danks falls to the 3rd round spot where the Sox are picking. He has said that he'll be going to Texas. If there was any chance at all that he would sign a deal however (e.g Gio Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney), would you still pick him? If the Sox were willing to offer him 750K or so yes, if they weren't than no.

QUOTE(mrkupe @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) McCormick is a Boras guy I believe. Mayberry kinda scares me. I'm intrigued by the rest of the guys. Ya, McCormick has some talent but being a Boras guy he's not going to the Sox. I wish I had my notes near me cause I may be confusing McCormick for someone else, but if he's who I think he is he's not gonna be on the board anyway (well unless Boras demands cause him to slide past the Sox). He's supposed to be a top 10 pitcher IIRC (but I may be mixing him up with one of Boras other clients cause this year he has a very very strong client base in regards to the draft). If the Sox were to take a shot at a Boras client, I'd want it to be Tyler Greene in the 3rd. Greene is a darn good prospect, who will likely go in the supplemental to 2nd round, but I've seen a few places slide him into the 3rd.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:21 PM) Other guys worth considering; Chris Volstad - RHP Mark Pawelek - LHP C.J Henry - SS John Mayberry - 1B Matt Torra - RHP Mark McCormick - RHP To me I'd prefer the Sox take a chance on a high school guy with a bigger upside than a college guy with more polish at this stage. The Sox have got enough good arms in their systems, that they can probably afford to take more of a chance, if you get what I mean. Not I, this crop is very thin when it comes to high school pitchers, at least in the early stages. Heck this draft isn't even that strong in the early rounds when it comes to pitching. As far as I'm concerned Carillo is as safe a pick as any and upside is an overrated word. It seems to be used for guys that don't know how to play the game and often times its more of an excuse for drafting a guy who hasn't yet succeeded. I understand sometimes you just look at a guys arm and projectability and drool, but in the 1st round I don't think thats whats best. Your going to be investing a good amount of money and your going to want to find a guy with good stuff, but he better have a good head on his shoulders (if he doesn't the money could get to his head and a lot of other things could happen) and personally I like guys with command. If the best guy on the board is a high school pitcher you take him and that could very well happen with the recent trend of college pitchers being favored by GM's. In that case do what DePodesta did last year, he noticed that trend and realized the better values were the guys out of high school. But as far as I'm concerned, there is zero resemblance to Honel/Carillo. Carillo has a good fastball (in the low 90's and can get it up a little higher every once in a while...don't see him adding anything to the heater) plus he has a nice curve and changeup and very good command. He's played against some of the best in college baseball and lost just a game. Honel on the other hand had an upper 80's fastball and one of the sickest knuckle curves I ever saw. He also had good command and had a decent changeup. I guess (and this is cause I don't nkow the guy or his workout routines, only know what I've heard) is that he got extremely cocky and maybe lazy (no idea whether true or not).

QUOTE(mrkupe @ May 27, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) Cesar's an interesting one, although I'm concerned that scouts' views of him have been a bit overly favorable due to his remarkable unbeaten streak. At the same time, I do like what he offers, and he fits all the criteria of the White Sox that we've seen in recent first rounders (college player, expected to be a relatively fast mover, not represented by Boras, etc.). I also agree on the pitching remark, although I could see the 'Boras factor' in the draft taking Cesar out of play pretty fast. The other guy you speak of is Troy Tulowski (sp.) of Long Beach State University. Lots of mixed opinions on this guy. He could go as high as 3rd to Seattle, although I think a drop is possible (but to 15, I'd be very skeptical). I'm not totally certain that he would even be regarded as the optimal choice at shortstop for the White Sox, as Pennington out of Texas A&M would probably come cheaper if he's available and has the sort of scrappy attitude that the Sox seem to covet these days. Pennington is the guy I like but as of now it seems he'd be a bit of a reach. However, the Sox haven't been shy to grab there guy, regardless of him potentially being projected a few pegs down. One things for certain they have a few options and they center around a starting pitcher, shortstop, or catcher. This years catcher crop is entirely ugly in my book, at least in the early rounds. No way is Jeff Clement worth a 1st round pick. If you want power, wait till the 3th-6th round and draft Jeff Larish. He's got more power than Clement and Clement isn't what I'd call a good defensive catcher, hell he's not even mediocre. My two cents are that eventually he'll be moved to another position. Pitching wise...no doubt in my mind it comes down to three guys: Cesar, Townsend, and Bogsuvic. All three are talented guys. Bog is a really talented lefty who I think is better than Ricky Romero who should go a bit better (Romero did outduel him in a game this year @ Tulane) and I love Townsends arm, but he won't be as fast of a mover considering he'll need to get back in pitching shape. Cesar doesn't do one thing amazing, but he does a lot of things well and sometimes I think thats better than doing one thing amazing. He has good command, 3 quality pitches, and a good head on his shoulders. If the Sox really wanted to reach, they could get a guy I love in Ramos (LBSU) but its not going to happen. By the way, welcome aboard...this is a fun idea and I'm gonna have to check out Sickels site and see how this thing goes.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) Jason, what about Townsend? How's his fastball (I didn't see much on it, other than he had a good breaking ball)? I'm watching his scouting video from last year, that's a filthy curveball he's got. Looks like a big bender with a sharp drop. I couldn't really tell about his fastball, on the video, he only threw it a couple of times. I hope they look at Townsend, though, if he projects to be as a reliever, that kind of sucks... Townsend has a dynomite arm. He's supposed to hit the mid 90's. That entire Rice trio was just filthy. One of the best collegiate staffs in a long time, imo. There are some obvious concerns considering he's been out of competitive baseball for a year now and If I drafted him I'd want to be darn positive that he'd sign. I'm assuming people will have some recolection of what he was asking in his negotiations with the O's (I still don't get what had happened, but somehow those negotiations ended a while ago and i forget exactly why but I think it dealt with him and school and he went back for a class or something). Back when he was pitching for Rice he was low to mid 90's. He had some workouts in the 90 MPH range, however recently he had a few where he was at 85-88 but I think that deals more with not being in baseball shape. I did read somewhere that Baltimore totally botched negotiations and that Towsend is expected to be a relatively easy sign who will go for slot money. Along with that hammer (Which is freaking awesome) he has a good changeup.

As far as that kid from Umass. I think he's another guy thats definately worth looking at. Considering he pitches in a smaller conference and for a not as well known baseball school, it will be a definate knock on him. However, if he has the stuff that knock could be a reason why he's available later on in the 1st when he could of went sooner. I'm solely basing this on BA's scouting reports cause I've never seen Umass play any baseball, hell I didn't know they had a team, LOL (sorry Spiff). One thing I stay away from is guys that had there arms destroyed in college. Some schools work there pitchers too hard and for whatever reason I've seen at least some of those guys come to the minors and there velocity tends to dissapear. At the same time you have high schoolers that throw 97-98 but than get drafted and throw 93-94 cause they never worked hard enough and build up the stamina and endurance to be able to do those things over the long haul of a minor/major league season. There are definately a lot of reasons why the MLB draft is such a crap shoot and why it pays to take care of your player development people and spend the money on the draft.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 27, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) BHam (Tom), when you see this thread -- have you talked to Jenks yourself? If so (or if you've talked to someone like the manager), how's Jenks' attitude/mentality? I'm not sure if you'd know this, but are they keeping (somewhat) tabs on him to make sure he keeps himself out of trouble? I commend Williams on a job well done this offseason as far as some minor league pickups. Jenks and Owens have been awesome. I'm not Tom, but from what I hear and I know Tom and some others have mentioned it as well....Razor Shines and the rest of the staff has really done an outstanding job getting Jenks under control and working with him. At the same time Jenks is doing a good job in trying to be a changed man. The Sox took a gamble on Jenks and if it pays off, it could pay off really well. I'm talking about a guy who has the ability to be one of the best closers ever. Think a Gagne like effect. He isn't quite as electric as Hernandez, but pre-injury he was as close (stuff wise, but has always lacked polish). Jenks has a shot at fitting in with the club later this year as a callup at the very least and I have no doubt (barring injury or mental blowup) that he'll get some action next year as well.

Carillo doesn't throw 97, despite what BA would like you to believe. He can hit 94. He's more in the 92-94 range, 95 every once a while. Not a knock, but you see 97 and maybe guys throw a pitch or two a game like that, what I want to know is what he generally pitches at and he isn't generally in the upper 90's. Still good stuff. I like him quite a bit. Of course I like Texas A&M's shortstop and I like Tyler Greene a lot. If he slides due to having Boras as his rep, I'd snag him in the 3rd.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) Just got it in; I think it's been released via internet already (some of the articles), but they have the Sox taking Cesar Carrillo. They also have them looking strongly at Bogusevic, a local kid (Oak Lawn) -- who's at Tulane now, Jason, isn't that the kid you like? Townsend is also a possibility, but BA has him going to the D-Rays (that'd be cool for them, getting two out of Rice's Big Three from last year). Anyways, what do you guys think about Carrillo? He looks like he has some nice control, 17 BBs in 99 IP, but he's not listed in any of the BEST categories (Best Breaking Ball, Best Command, Best Fastball). FWIW, they have that Ramos kid from Long Beach with the best command (Torra behind him -- dasox, you want the Sox to grab him, right?). Best Breaking Ball goes to the reliever, Hansen, with Townsend, Hochevar, and Torra also on the list. Torra also made the list (5th) for the best fastball. I didn't put any of the high schoolers down, 'cause I think it's unlikely the Sox grab a high schooler. If I see something else interesting, I'll post it. I like Ramos a lot. Problem is if the Sox picked him they would be reaching according to the projections I've seen. Its too bad they didn't have a supplemental cause he'd be perfect there. Bogusevic is a really good southpaw as is Ricky Romero. Personally I think Bogusevic has a better build in terms of a major league pitcher and yes I do have a negative bias on Romero simply because he's so small and his delivery is more violent than I'd like (That and he throws so many damn breaking pitches...all that said he's got an insane amount of heart and has improved so much since coming to Fullerton). As far as Cesar. The guy lost his first game ever in NCAA at one point this year (or at least I thought it was his first lost ever). The guy doesn't have amazing stuff, but he does everything well. Throws 3 good pitches (fastball, curve, change). Don't know if he has a slider, only saw him pitch in part of a game on TV. Good command and knowhow. Isn't very projectable in terms of adding velocity, etc.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) Well the angels have told borass that 6 million no more and boras originally wanted 12 million for Weaver.... now angles still saying 6 million and boras has lowered it all the way down to 6.75 supposedly but angels refusing to spend the extra 750,000... I think we on the otherhand would of got it done. I don't think so. Not a chance the Sox would of paid 6 million for Weaver.

I don't say this much and I don't wish him injuries, but he's an ass. I've heard way too many things about Jon and there is no chance I'll ever cheer for or root for the prick.

ROFL

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ May 27, 2005 -> 09:23 AM) http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050527/...ovoteforclinton -29% very likely to vote for Hillary -24% somewhat likely -39% not at all likely strong support up 8 points opposition support dropped 5 points ROFL

QUOTE(skidoochic @ May 27, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) I agree with you on the contact play in that situation, but Pods was safe. You mean Guchi Agree on the contact situation. One of them was tough luck (I think it was the one where Rowand got in the rundown) because AJ hit it right back to the pitcher.

Cleveland is a pretty cool place to go and watch games. The stadium is awesome and the city isn't too bad. They revamped the waterfront area there which is nice. Oh ya and Cedar Point is really quite fun. Definately recommend hitting that up if your driving that way.

I'm not too concerned with this. I feel its stupid taking a Boras client unless your willing to take the chance of not having that pick sign. Considering the Sox don't havea another pick till 97th overall there is no way I want to see them take someone at 15th thats a Boras client and have him hold out the rest of the year (hell you know its bad when the Angels who spent huge bucks on the draft won't come to terms with Weaver) and than end up having just a 97th pick an on in the draft (really puts your team in a crunch). However, that being said they could look at Wade Townsend who appears to have a decdent shot of being there. Whoever suggested Bogulsvic in one of them (Tulane's ace pitcher) I'd freaking love it if we got him, but with Boras having control of most of the top college pitching prospects, odds are guys like Bogul and Romero will end up going higher.

Ya its down...Hopefully in 48-72 hrs it will be back up. On a sidenote, did you enjoy the seats on Monday?

What in the hell. What does a few of the opponents pitchers getting ejected have to do with Thomas hitting a homer. Did they somehow intend to eject him before he threw the pitch and than when Thomas hit it they were like, no that doesn't count, the pitcher should of already been ejected?? LOL This is definately something I want to hear about. My email is down but I'm gonna ask as soon as I get a shot.

Thats horrible. Stuff like that can and will definately have a huge effect on you. Its always a million times worse when it comse out of nowhere cause you never have the opportunity to say goodbye or even prepare for the loss of a friend/loved one. Wish Josh the best cause that is rough, very rough.

They are flexible on that age policy as long as you try and negotiate with them. Hell, if you rent from a slower location they'll waive the underage insurance a lot of times.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ May 26, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) Actually, there was strong interest in the Clemens camp. Shueler nixed it because he thought Clemens was done. Clemens went on to Toronto on the cheap and the rest is history. Ya, you know damn well he'd of chosen Chicago over Toronto.