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To me that seems pretty strong. If Kenny is going to make a deal then I think their is a good shot we got Jones and one or both of Estrada/Russ Ortiz and Maggs won't be involved. I do think Crede could very well be a part of the deal though although I don't know if the Braves have a need at 3rd (cause they do have Andy Marte in the minors). The Sox will take their chances of losing Maggs at the end of the season for draft picks, knowing that Andruw Jones will then take over for him. But their is a decent shot that they will play together for at least a few months and that would be pretty damn interesting, imo. Oh ya, If Maggs doesn't go in this deal, then you can book Rowand beinga part of it. I'd say Rowand/Crede/pitching prospect could do it, but I doubt the Sox deal Crede. The only reason I suggest Crede is that Uribe can shift to 3rd with Harris at 2nd and I'd say the Sox would be in solid shape.

I'd be in.

IF KW can do that I'm definately with ya.

Thats the thing, adding Jones instead of a stud pitcher, isn't the best way of addressing things, imo. If Kenny has been told the Sox can do both, then hell ya, do it. Jones will be here a few years so I'll give something up, and get Ortiz as well, plus it shouldn't take much prospect wise if the Braves want to dump his contract so bad.

I agree it could work, but if the Sox are going to do that, then JR also has to approve more payroll increases to add more pitching cause the current pitching staff isn't enough. In this case, if you get Jones and Ortiz for prospects, I sure as hell hope they don't give up much prospect wise cause they'll be taking on a lot of contract. Then they let Maggs walk at the end of the season for the two draft picks or if for whatever reason teh Sox win it all, they can resign everyone, who knows. That makes sense to me. Rowand/Rauch and one other prospect for those two...but would the Braves also send some cash.

I should add, I want more pitching, I could give a damn about hitting, the Sox offense is good, but the pitching staff and pen could still use upgrades, imo. Ortiz and Cruz would be a start.

Ya, Rex, unfortunately, Bham once again got cut out. I Think what I'm gonna do is when I get my free frequent flyer ticket, I'm gonna fly out to Bham for a 3 game series and see them. The trip was just gonna be too expensive if we planned Bham into it. Now its really affordable cause were staying in the Charlotte area.

No, when I say flip him for prospects, I mean the Braves would be flipping Maggs for prospects, not the Sox. The Sox do this deal because it makes them better, bottomline. I realize trading your star isn't necessarily the big thing to do, but this makes the Sox much better, and anything that makes the club better now only now but in the future, I make, stardom be damn. I also think Sox fans would rally and learn to love Andruw Jones and the type of defense he plays and I'm convinced he'll hit 50 Hr's for the Sox in a season while he's under contract. To me its a no brainer if its on the table.

I'd do it because Jones is not much of a downgrade over Maggs and frankly you need to at least know you have something next year. With what the other playesr bring, it makes the deal worth it. To me the Sox are a better team at the end of the day. The offense probably is as good with Jones/Estrada as it was with Maggs/Olivo. Pitching wise you lose Cotts (this I'd try not to do) while gaining Ortiz and Juan Cruz. Rauch or Diaz, one of which will stay with Chicago so next year Cruz and the other can fight for one of the pitching slots, although I fimrly believe at the end of the year the Sox can sign 2 of the three pitchers (Garcia, Elo, Ortiz). The new pen has Scho and Cruz over Cotts and Jackson, which is at least a bit better. I'd be even more happy if it could be done without Cotts but instead Rauch and Diaz, but you gotta give something to get something and this is a pretty huge ass deal so to me I'd be shocked as hell if something like this went down. Also now that I think of it, Ben Davis would obviously be a part of the deal.

This would be a deal for the Braves to move payroll. They get rid of a long term deal and then hold onto Maggs for a short time while trying to broker him elsewhere for prospects (Something they woudln't get for Jones). They also give up a starting pitcher, but will be getting a pitching prospect in return and once again cutting immediate payroll. However, to give up Estrada would be tough unless they got something else they liked in return, like Aaron Rowand or Joe Borchard or in my opinion Neal Cotts. The Sox would also get Juan Cruz in the deal. I think you cuold see something like this: Maggs/Rauch or Diaz/Cotts and probably one other player for Andruw Jones/Russ Ortiz/Johnny Estrada/Juan Cruz. This deal gives the Sox 3 playesr that will be here for a few years and a good starting pither that will likely leave for draft choices at the end of the year. However, after making the two deals the Sox are stronger behind the plate, in centerfield, way stronger in the rotation and stronger in the bullpen (with Scho replacing Cotts in the pen and Cruz coming in replacing Jackson). They are weaker in right. They are also better off in the long run as they now have one hole position wise next year and thats RF while you still have a few risks with losing some FA pitchers, but have some options too. And Hell yes, I would do this deal, even if it meant both Diaz and Rauch were a part of the deal. This would be a great deal cause it help the Sox now and later. Now that I've given ya the Sox logic for this deal, let me give you the Braves logic. Andruw Jones has an immovable contract as some would say, at least when it comes to getting prospects. SO they end up giving up a player they like in Johnny Estrada to get it to go and the Sox know the Braves want to cut payroll so they get ORtiz. Since the Sox are taking on so much payroll they want at least one semi promising pitcher and thats Juan Cruz. The Braves now get Neal Cotts (he'll go into their rotation), Maggs (will be shipped off for prospects...he can be moved adn the Braves will do this probably for 2 TOP prospects and another very good prospects...ie Beltran deal) and then Rauch/Diaz plus another prospect. This nets them Cotts (very good prospect, two top prospects, a good prospect and then Rauch/Diaz and whoever else the Sox give up, plus cuts payroll. That make enough sense from the Braves perspective. And with Smoltz also on the block, the Braves are potentially waving the white flag.

Thats fine by me, but also expect Juan Cruz to be a part of the deal

For this to make sense it would have to be Jones/Estrada for Maggs and yes I would do that deal.

I am happy.

Badass, thanks

I'd be interested in Ramon Ortiz, whether the Sox used him as a starter or a reliever, however, someone like Russ Ortiz would be better. If the Angels just wanted the Sox to pick up the remaining portion of his contract so the Angels can go out and make another move, then it could be good. But the Angels will want major league help and I wouldn't give up Neal Cotts, which is probably what they would want. However, if they would do Kelly Wunsch and a mid level prospect, then done and done. HE's been great out of the bullpen this season in Anaheim.

Urbina would be a hard throwing right handed set up man in the pen, something this club drastically needs, imo. They need another good reliever or two.

Fantastic stuff and I think Coop can make him a little better. He already has pitched good out of the pen in Atlanta, not spectacular, but good, and then next year he could be an option for a starters spot. He'll help the club this year out of the pen, especially because it would mean audios Mike Jackson. If someone just got him to trust his stuff and throw strikes, he would be absolutely filthy and thats exactly the type of pitching coach Coop is. He'll give a pitcher a lot of confidence in their stuff. I think thats probably the biggest difference with Jon. Now Jon's next hurdle is forgetting about the mental errors and just focusing 100% all the time. He was absolutely filthy his last few starts. He looked so nasty against the Cubs up until the errors and all the lapses.

I know, everyone is wondering why I don't I make another one of my amazing sigs, but I'm interested in someone making me a sig. I'd like to have Garcia, Konerko, and Buerhle on it and have it say something like "The Time is Now" And you all thought Rob Gallas had retired Thanks and if you need me to send pics I will happily search the net for some

afterall, they expect to be surrounded by a million virgins after blowing themselves up. I just hope we can somehow continue to prevent another attack. Its sick how people thinking strapping bombs on them or just slaughtering innocent citizens is a good thing to do.

If we deal with the Tigers, get Brandon Inge and Ugie Urbina. Urbina isn't having a fantastic year, but he's still a quality arm and Inge (on the DL right now) is finally showing off his offense and he's long been a very good defensive player. He hasn't been a full time catcher for a bit, but he has a very strong arm and quick release and Hawk probably talks once a week how he was one of the best catchers the club has went up against in recent years.

Well Tex, it be over the top if it was you returning

Welcome aboard UIC and by the way thats a great name you have...u can never go wrong with a name like Jason

I did I did Its great having ya back 2k

Thanks Vince Tex, Your head coach left the Fullerton program and the Titans just won their 4th national championship I knew they'd win it at least once when I was still at the school.

Kip Well and Jason Kendall. IF the Sox take on a little over half of Kendall's remaining contract, they will be able to get Kip Wells at quite the discounted rate. Heck, you could maybe see a package of Rauch and Sweeney. I was just looking and noticed Wells has really gone into a funk. I'm guessing it was related to an injury or something. He finally pitched well his last start, but after a very good April, he wasn't the same. Still, I'd love him in the rotation, plus you get Kendall for maybe 6 mill a year and its not as bad.