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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) OK SoxTalkers, help me out. The newest Planet of the Apes movie is coming out, and I am seeing lots of positive reviews. I've never seen any of them (other than the very old school original), because I can't get my head around the idea of liking what seems just so silly. Are these actually good movies? Do I need to see earlier ones for the more recent ones to sink in? They are good movies that I think are worth seeing.

Will be interesting to see if Drose goes to Clippers.

Why are the celtics S&Ting? Do they need the cap flexibility for something else? I don't see why you give up an asset for no apparent reason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) I saw a graphic where MLB is on pace to break a record 6 years in a row for ABs that end with a walk or a k. Right now they are at 30%. It has to peak soon. It's becoming a problem. It makes the games longer, and walks and strikeouts are pretty boring to most. They said this during the Red Sox game last night and were talking about millennials and there phones. Then they showed millennial after millennial in the stands paying no attention to the game and watching videos on their phones. Yes...I've been saying for a while that the strikeout will be the death of baseball. Lots of people on this board thing it is an absurd statement, but 30% of at bats ending in two things that cause very little actual action / excitement is insane. I should point out, strikeouts with a bunch of runners on can actually be exciting (depending on the situation). But strikeouts / walks happening that often is a lot of time where nothing happens.

Shouldn't it be a good thing for Utah? They clearly had no pathway to the NBA finals...so they should just tank anyway? No? I'm being semi-serious here but it seems like that statement would apply for Utah. In fact, shouldn't we ask the question why Utah didn't move him a year ago to maximize his value since they clearly had zero path to the finals?

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) For those with a typical 9-5, is anyone else working Monday? I assumed, wrongly, that my office would be closed. We just got the internal memo saying we're open. I'm kinda pissed about that. If Christmas falls on a Tuesday, we don't work Monday. Pretty sure the same goes for New Years. We are shut down...just means a floating holiday is used (vs. it really being an extra day off). We get 10 holidays and a couple move depending on when the holidays actually fall. My wife and most everyone I know don't get it off though.

Watching GOT (since nothing that I watch is currently airing) in advance of the new season. Only on season 1 but so many things I had forgotten or not appreciated (now that I know more) going through it the 2nd time. About to see Eddard get beheaded

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 01:54 PM) Sean Highkin‏Verified account @highkin 5m5 minutes ago I’m told the Bulls are likely to absorb Rondo’s full $3 million cap hit this year, rather than stretch it out over the next three years. K.C. Johnson‏Verified account @KCJHoop 7m7 minutes ago Down to 1 Alpha. The Bulls officially waive Rajon Rondo and Isaiah Canaan. Which is good. Stretching it would be ridiculous. Yes, even $1M in extra cap space in future years can be valuable.

Should the Bulls play in this free agent market? Yes, we just flipped Butler...but should the Bulls make a run at any of the free agents on this market? Essentially, move Butler to get more assets (with upside) while then using his contract today to get a player of similar (albeit slightly lesser value) such as Gordon Hayward or do you get Blake Griffin? I know everyone on this site is pro tank and therefor we should wait two years to sign someone...but next year there are some quality free agents and another year from now more....I guess the question is what is the pacing / approach to do it. If Rondo opted out and with Butler gone...I think we could give Gordon or Blake max (separate question is whether they are worth it) and surround them with the other players...waiting a year for Wade to come off the books before flipping him for another free agent. I'm not suggesting it...but just throwing it out there given speculation that there is a 4th team interested in Hayward. I'm also not saying any of those players would even want to come here either.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) I hope Rondo becomes a coach. He's supposedly said he still wants to play for a number of years. I actually don't mind Rondo the mentor much.

Rondo expected to get bought out today, barring a last minute trade. Supposedly he is interested in mentoring the young players, but it appears Bulls are going to head another direction. Another report out their that Bulls are going to sign European PG Milos Teodosic. 30 year old point guard who is a good shooter and has played well in international competition against NBA players. Not sure how it helps in the overall rebuild, but evidently he wants to play for the Bulls.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) It seemed(to me at least) that the asset misevaluation started with messing up Asiks RFA status and getting nothing for him when he was clearly coming into his own. From that point forward it just snowballed I do agree with everyone's take that the Bulls have not done a good enough job maximizing value of existing assets (/getting value for players who will be leaving). I think they have done a good job drafting for relative value, but they have struggled / been unable to get the best value transitioning assets (which was something Paxson had done a good job with during his actual run and something that we have increasingly gotten worse at as Gar gained power). I still find it unbelievable that we couldn't get a 1st round pick for Taj / Doug and I am kind of surprised we didn't shop Rolo when we moved Buckets. With Jimmy...it is just so hard to say what the market actually was that I have no idea whether we did / didn't do good. We also would have greatly benefited from moving Pau Gasol (which would have given us that 1st round pick) and with Niko we very well will be letting him go for nothing (although that is still to be seen). We should be able to play in select S&T deals given some unique contracts we have and it would be a nice change of pace if we were able to maximize / get some equivalent value for doing so. Basically put, I think the Bulls have been a good drafting organization under the Paxson regime (and every deep dive over a number of years would validate that statement...don't care how unsexy it is to say it) and they have also been very good at providing long-term flexibility from a contract perspective (yes, they've signed some bad deals but have largely stayed away from the complete albatross deals that prevented us from being key players in free agency, etc). We have landed B level free agents, but failed to land the big fish. What the front office stinks at is their treatment of coaches and in recent years they have also not gotten the value out of our existing assets (whether moving Deng/Taj/Pau walking, etc).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Can't throw. Framing is getting bad, and clubhouse cancer. I don't know what value he brings to a rebuilding team other than pointing a finger away from him. The Cubs and Maddon especially, were very worried what his attitude might do to their young players. I'm with you. A rebuilding team with no hope at contention this year...last thing you want is a character concern like this around the teams young players (and there isn't much upside in the matter either). Absolutely not.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) Sun-Times Sports‏ @suntimes_sports 16m16 minutes ago BREAKING: Source: Bulls GM Gar Forman 'flat-out lied' to Jimmy Butler http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/jimmy-b...ot-my-back/amp/ … None of that shocks me. Gar is a snake.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) I disagree that this matters as much as you think. I'd be stunned if he doesn't get himself to LA All I can say is that out here, some of the biggest Laker media homers are of the opinion that George is essentially a dead option unless the Lakers trade for him. The only upside they have is if ultimately Indiana holds onto him or deals him to Cleveland (as that is the one destination I don't see him signing LT as that will be dependent on LBJ).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) Man that crew would be a huge disaster in this day and age. LBJ, Chris Paul, Wade, and Melo on a team is not a disaster, imo. Yes, they would be old, but LBJ is still the man and Chris Paul and Melo would provide nice spacing. Wade clearly would be on the bench. I think if those 4 went anywhere, that team would be a title contender (not long-term, but definitely in the short-term).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) A lot of the bad management in the NBA has been replaced by good management and the bulls have not improved. I can think of maybe two front offices that are worse than gar forman led bulls: - probably whomever takes knicks job - magic Doc Rivers is the worst GM in the league, so you are missing the Clippers. And I disagree with you completely...most GM's in this league wish they could have the track record that John Paxson has had over his career. When his time comes (and I am perfectly fine moving him), people will look back long-term at John Paxson as being a good GM. Even Gar...as much as I don't like the run-ins with the front office and the fact that he is slimy...our historical drafting has been pretty good. 2016's draft got us two potential role players. Valentine & Zipser. Not saying either are great players or even starters in this league...but given where we picked, as of today, that is solid value. Additionally, 2015's 1st round pick (Bobby Portis) while inconsistent looks like a guy who can play in the NBA. Again, not a starter, but a solid role player. The Bulls heavily relied on young players (more so then all but a couple teams in the league) and they were the only team who actually won games. When people say they don't trust this front office or a rebuild...I would say I don't trust this front office (cause Gar is just a slimy dude) but their history of drafting has been very good (and that is over a long-term period). Yes, we had some years with misses, but from a relative value perspective, the last two years provided us with three guys, who at this point, appear poised to be role players (and given where we were picking...that is solid relative value). Who knows what can happen, but lets not act like we've been some horrible drafting team...the Bulls haven't. Anyone who says they have are delusional and has no perspective on how likely draft picks are to flop, etc. I hate defending this front office, but some of these statements are just so ridiculous and ignorant of a long-term track record that was pretty good. Everyone thinks its easy to win championships but it isn't, especially in the NBA, and the best front office people may not ever win one because somewhere in the equation...luck can be involved.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) I don't think he will. He can make the same amount in LA next year that he could make in Cleveland or Boston. Why would he commit to staying anywhere when he wants to be in LA? Very simple...he wants to win and winning is contagious. It isn't like Boston is some dump. I would be shocked if he doesn't end up in Boston and when he does...he's going to resign. That will be part of any deal.

One intersting thing is...by waiting...Boston has positioned itself in a fantastic spot to get real value for Paul George (who is not as good of a player as Jimmy Butler). I still see the Lakers swooping in at some point and making a significant offer for George, because the entire Lakers plan takes a major back seat if they can't get George (since their plan is to get George and LBJ in a package deal). If George is traded to any of the teams rumored...he will sign.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) They haven't had a losing record since 2005-2006 and despite that have been able to collect attractive assets with 2nd round picks and good free agent signings into better players. I can't really call issue with their strategy. I'm not going to call out a team for not tanking when they have evolved so much over time while still being able to win. Haha, idiots, you should have traded all your stars and been terrible for 5 years in the hopes you could either be a champion or the exact same place you are now with soem great players but not enough to supplant maybe the greatest collection of talent in 30 years. They aren't much different then the Bulls. Look...we can say Gar and Paxson aren't very good anymore, but there is no arguing that over the past 10-15 years, the Bulls have been at the very least a top 10 NBA team and a consistent playoff team (Rockets are in a similar boat). I laugh at everyone who says the Bulls have the worst front office in the league. Yes, they have had challenges in recent years and I think it is time for at least a fresh voice in the front office, but to imply that they are incompetent basketball people is terrible. Most of the GM's in this league wish they had the track record that Paxson has done. There have been various studies that look back at the value achieved in the draft and the Bulls essentially rank right below San Antonio in terms of pick adjusted value (i.e., lucking into Drose doesn't really factor into the "value" proposition). And on, Jimmy Butler didn't push them from the bottom to the top.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 06:22 AM) The Bulls had Butler, a 27 year old who admitted he wanted to stay with the team, under contract. The Clippers got pieces back from the team the 32 year old CP3 wanted to sign with. The fact it's even a question is likely a problem. That said, it's not very close. I still can't believe the Bulls added the 16th pick and sold a 2nd rounder, though. I will say right now...I would have rather kept Butler and traded for CP3...then taken a run at LBJ next off-season. Probably a pipe dream, but It would have been my strategy. That said, I didn't expect Chris Paul to be that much in play.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) I find the move by Houston pretty odd. Paul + Blake + Jordan and a decent player Reddick couldn't come close to beating the Warriors. Houston has what, Paul + Harden + ???? They could re-sign Nene I guess, or try for Melo or George, but that's still not a great roster. Paul gets murdered by Curry when they play. I don't get this move by them. I think for those that have the view of its either win a championship or blow things up...then sure, you don't like the move cause I don't think they win the championship. That said, does this move make Houston a better team...yes, it does. Everyone gets so enamored with if we can't win a title we should just blow everything up...but reality is, no one ever knows what happens and most of the recent teams that won championships never had that "bottom out" to win moment (with exception of Cleveland which obviously got LBJ the first time...the second time they did suck, but it was really him going home via free agency which changed the direction of the club). San Antonio could have been blown up a few times in between their championship runs and the Lakers won a couple titles after Shaq left (and during a window where a lot of people wanted to "blow" the Lakers up). I don't know Houston's cap position but I presume they are going to try and outscore the world in D'Antoni's system and will see if they can attract another piece in a year (not sure cap space so maybe that isn't feasible). They also made no LT commitment to CP3.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) No. And I didn't like the Butler deal at all. The Bulls at least got what they considered as upside. Very little upside acquired by the Clippers. Very curious what Clippers are going to do. Obviously LA didn't want to give him a 5 year deal. Seems that some of these front offices are getting smarter in how to handle the veteran players without saddling the team with LT deals. Chris Paul is still a really good player though and his game should age well.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) Did the Clippers get a better deal for Paul then the Bulls did for Butler? Chris Paul was a free agent and is older, so slightly different leverage in the equation. Clippers were in an interesting position with so many pending free agents, etc. A very good team...but one that was still a cut below the upper echelon teams in the league without the capacity / ability to make shifts. They tried hard to move DeAndre Jordan for the #4 pick and Tyson Chandler but weren't able to. Curious to see the direction they head. Honestly, I wouldn't have minded that deal as a Bulls fan (Houston really didn't give up much) and it would have been interesting to see how the 3 Alphas would have played out (with Paul replacing Rondo). You could then have been in a position a year from now to replace Wade with a much stronger, truer "alpha".

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) KC Johnson's twitter feed to day is just infuriating to read. What is it talking about?