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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) Every episode has been really solid. As long as the obvious stupidity of the last season is not written back it, it should go pretty well. Yep - Been very much enjoying this season. Very clear that Michonne is ready to fight as are a few others. Question is how long will Rick be held down. At some point clearly all the other communities are going to unite against Negan. Please note I don't read the comic books so this is my speculating not off the comics.

By the way, my comment had nothing to do with Rondo and him being a negative. I think any statement based upon one game and coming to a conclusion that we are better off without Rondo is a misguided one. Lets not forget we had that start of the season where we were 3-0 while Rondo played, so we are capable of blowing teams out. This team will take some time to gel and while Rondo's shot hasn't been there, he's still been a good passer and the offense is scoring points.

They play much better as a team. Rondo hasn't even played that great, but he's still been an upgrade over Rose. Butler has been a total beast though and Lopez / Taj have done very well on the front court. We have been beasts on the offensive glass. Look forward to getting MCW back.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Has anyone watched Man in the High Castle? I'm only two episodes in of the 1st season, but I really like it. It's a slow burn, but I dig it Yeah - I enjoyed it. Will be curious to see what Season 2 brings. I dig history and this had like that whole reverse history thing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) If the market dictated that Heyward was a $184 million player, I have to say that Adam Eaton would be at least $150 million on the open market. I think in this free agent class, there is a shot someone goes to $150. I'd peg him at the $125-$175M range.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) What is the big difference between Heyward (pre 2016) and Adam Eaton today? These figures are straight off of fangraphs. Jason Heyward 2015 6.0 WAR, 16.4 Def, 120 RC+, 22.6 UZR, 24, DRS, 5.2 Arm Adam Eaton 2016 6.0 WAR, 18.0 Def, 115 RC+, 22.5 UZR, 20 DRS, 9.1 Arm. Heyward had a lot more of a track-record and is more physically gifted, so I think people see him as a guy who could have even expanded from there. Eaton's track record is still good, just not the long span that Heyward had. Heyward has essentially 4 seasons of 6 WAR (a few just a bit above and one that I'm counting that was at 5.8). That is in his first six seasons. His last two entering free agency were a 6.2 and a 6.5 and was only going to be 26 during the first year of his contract. Eaton, to his own defense, has put up a 5.2 and a 6.2 in two of the last three years and even his down year was a 3.9. Case in point, not a ton of difference necessarily between the two, just one had a longer track record and a bigger reputation, but both are damn good players. I'd say that Eaton was far more underappreciated but part of that is Heyward was so hyped coming up, etc. If Adam were a free agent this year, he'd get a big contract ($100M plus for sure). You can see why teams would want him, but we also have years of control over him and I would hope intend to compete during the reign where he'd still be in his "prime" years. Either way, Adam Eaton is a good problem to have.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) I love Eaton, but I don't think ANY team thinks he's a 6 win player going forward. The problem with deriving so much value from your arm is that people stop giving you the chance to throw them out. The problem with deriving so much value from rangey plays is that you don't always get the opportunity to make rangey plays. The defensive "production" is likely to regress, even if he plays exactly as well as he did this year. On top of that (and possibly partially because of that), players like Eaton tend to consistently command less on the trade/free agent market than everyone expects. I think most teams would love to have him, but I don't think he would return what most seem to be expecting. There's a good chance he's more valuable to the Sox on the field than he is as trade bait. I think Q is in the same boat, but driven by the fact that his stuff isn't what you typically see from an "ace". If he threw upper 90's, but put up the exact same numbers, we would get better offers, imo.

I don't think we will trade Eaton, since you still need to have some players around and he's under contract for a long time anyway. I could easily see the Sox approach to this being move Sale, Frazier, Melky, Robertson while sticking with a Q & Eaton with their view somewhere in there being that I presume the Sox intend on competing sooner vs. later and thus you could still easily see Q / Eaton being good fits on a team (even when going through a 1-2 year rebuild process before you start to emerge into some sort of competitive team (note, I don't see playoff team, just more competitive). That said, if teams want to offer up significant packages for Eaton, then I think the Sox have to really listen as he is a pretty valuable trade asset. Just depends on how much of a "reset" the Sox intend on hitting and I just don't see them going full blown (but maybe they do). I don't expect the Sox to target a lot of low level talent and wouldn't be surprised if some of the deals they go after include other major league pieces (again I don't see the Sox front office looking at this long winded rebuild). I do see the appetite there to infuse new talent and majorly shake things up though.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:48 AM) I think bears should pay Alshon, still. May even be blessing in disguise. I agree with you. This should actually lower his pricetag and I think having him as a safety net for a young QB is an asset worth paying for.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I really really like Taj Gibson. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baske...1113-story.html

What is going on with Howard. Did he have an achilles injury or doesn't he?

Wow.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) not worse than that first MNF game against the Packers Honestly, I thought this was worse. This happening in like the first quarter and a half.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 05:10 AM) It's too bad that, even with how bad we are, the Browns and 49ers are worse and have just as big QB needs as the Bears. I also do not think the Bears are that far away. The front seven is legit. Secondary is a cluster f***, partially due to injuries and partially due to a lack of playmakers. Middle three of the o-line is terrific, but tackles are a huge concern. Obviously, the QB is a big issue, too. WRs and TE group is serviceable. Special teams also sucks. Long story short, they are not far away from being competitive. This is one of those hard games to evaluate. The defense looked fantastic the first half until it seemed to wither after all the meltdowns by the Bears offense. Jordan Howard and Floyd played fantastic. Hell, the dline looked great for the 1st half. Disappointing how the defense came out to start the second half though. I didn't pay much attention after that. The big thing to me is Floyd is looking like a legit pass-rusher, which is huge and despite the fumble, Howard looked like a beast. Cutler was freaking awful. Worst game I've ever seen him play. Oline didn't help him, but man that was ugly. He looked off the whole game.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) I'm in a White Sox group chat on twitter. Over the past couple days, Ozzie Guillen Jr has been in there. He came in today and said that he's heard the Sox are close to trading Sale and Frazier to the Dodgers. That's all he had. No idea if it's true or not. Just thought I'd pass along. That makes sense. I presume they aren't going to go long term with Justin Turner, which would make Frazier a good fit for them. They certainly have the pieces.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) Interesting that he's already publicly criticized peaceful protests and critiques from the press but has yet to condemn the rash of hate crimes in his name. I thought I read a clip from the 60 minute interview where he did exactly that.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) That was a pretty telling interview. Seems like Trump is already coming back toward the middle a little. This massive, beautiful wall is going to be part "fence" in some places? I can only imagine how beautiful a Trump chain link fence will appear when compared to the average Tru-link fence, Of the 12 million or so illegals that he campaigned so hard to get rid of, Trump is going to immediately get rid of 2-3 million of the criminals, and then deal with the rest. Didn't seem like the plan was to deport the rest, though. Clintons are nice. May not have a special prosecutor. Trump is going to be extremely busy. So, was he going to be the one prosecuting them? Not sure how his busy schedule has anything to do with whether or not the Clintons face charges. Obama-care is apparently not as big of a disaster as he had us believing. He wants to keep the healthcare for pre-existing conditions and make some other changes. Doesn't sound like he's just dumping the whole thing. Replacing the bad parts. Isn't that what anyone would do? But, you can't make changes until you have it for a little while and see what does and doesn't work. Might help to have a little cooperation from the rest of the elected officials who vote on the changes, too. When asked about his Supreme Court and whether it would lead to abortion being outlawed, he said the judges he appoints will be pro-life and added something about the 2nd amendment. When pushed about abortion, he said it would go to the states. LBGT rights isn't an issue because it's been settled. It's the law. Not sure how that differs from abortion, but what do I know? He was asked about running an anti-lobbying platform, and then immediately bringing in a bunch of lobbyists to advise him. He basically said, that's the only people in Washington. Wasn't asked specifically about his cabinet (wouldn't reveal names), but I wonder how him bringing in Giuliani, Christie, etc is any different from Hillary's 30 years as an insider. Aren't Giuliani and Christie insiders? He wasn't super cocky about ISIS following his meeting with Obama, either. I guess when the guy who is actually tasked with the fight gave Trump a little inside info, Trump figured out that it's much easier to fight the fight from the sidelines and play Monday morning QB after every mistake. Anyway, all that said, I think he came off ok. It's pretty apparent to me that it's one thing to run with the hope of being voted President, and a whole other thing for it to be a reality. I can't knock much anything that he hit on last night. In fact, in general, I'm pretty happy with the more public stances he's taken since becoming president-elect. We will see how it continues. It actually is funny cause most of what he has put out I presume would have the mega die-hards who voted for him pretty upset.

Are any of those good prospects? Seems like Kendrick would be a decent bet for a bounce back yeard and he'd have some value at the deadline (more so then what the Dodgers got).

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Butler played fantastic down the stretch. I also liked the aggression that Lopez and Rondo played with. Offense looked much better, that said, defensively, we need to play a lot more consistent. That wasn't exactly a dynamic Miami offense they were going against. Nice to get the road win on a back to back. I'm hoping this extended road trip to come helps allow these guys to gel. I get the feeling we will see Gar/Pax pull a decent size trade at some point this year (with the long-term in mind). My presumption is we will see the Bulls move Niko (not sure how much value he has given his pending free agency).

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) If Mike Pence tries to push a religious agenda down our throats, I'm ready to go to war. Honestly, I don't see Trump letting other people push him around with there agendas. If there is one thing I am confident about, it is that he is his own man. He's going to listen to people (absolutely), but I don't see him just getting pushed around by everyone. Doesn't seem his style at all. He's going to do what he thinks is best just like he largely didn't think / ignored most of the advisers on his path to election.

Obama had handled all of this with extreme class. I don't tend to agree with his policies, but I legitimately praise the man for how he carried himself and went about his business as president.