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Right move...awful way they have handled everything though.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 07:32 AM) Assuming the Sox continue trading our vets, we could have a very low payroll the next couple of years. The low payroll got me thinking of another creative way to acquire talent. Salary dumps are not necessarily new, though they would be to the Sox as usually we receive money in deals not the other way around. I read some articles discussing the finer points on high spending penalties in the new CBA. They can be significant. I also read about the Dodgers high debt to cash flow which they MUST comply with and it got me thinking. For the Dodgers, who still want to spend on Turner and Jansen, they are multi year offenders of being over the cap. Counting international signing penalties, if they sign more players it may be an effective 100% tax. They have three awful contracts... Eithier owed $20 million (could cost them $40 with tax) Kazmir owed two years at over $35 (cost them $70) McCarthy owed two years at over $22(cost them $44) Because of the debt service rules and even in general, if you start talking about 40 million it matters. Even if the Dodgers kicked in some cash in a deal, every dollar we pay they save two. So would they do a lopsided trade where we get prospects in return for their true relief being dollars? Remember it cost the Red Sox over $60 million to acquire Moncada. Depending on the money we pay it would be another way to get talent. I realize it is unlikely as we have never been a spending team but if something happens with the Dodgers and anyone, if these players are involved this may be why the deal looks like a Dodger loss. Great post and I like this idea. It also is a way to take on guys and see if you could turn around and then spin them elsewhere (after eating a chunk of their contract). Interesting idea, especially because of the added money impacting those luxury tax teams. You do have to be careful though, because you don't want to take on a player, who wouldn't fit in with the clubhouse, as you want to have the right veterans around the young players. We do have to be careful though, because you need to make sure you don't take on too much appetite when it comes to this and hinder ability to make other moves (whether your team speeds up or a player you like is available, but might cost a bit salary wise).

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) I thought I heard Cardinals. They seem like a good fit for Frazier.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Rumors going around today that Bill Polian is looking to get back in a FO position, and the Bears are reportedly interested in the name of restructuring and possibly removing Phillips from football decision power (ie. Polian takes on some sort of president of football ops type job) Rex Ryan might also be getting the ax today I am okay with this, but a little concerned too. Seems so ass backwards to be doing this now, especially because I generally like Ryan Pace and think he's done a good job adding talent to this team. When I look at our most recent draft, I smile a lot (Floyd / Whitehair / Howard all look like players to me).

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) So the Dodgers wanted to keep Hill, Jansen and Turner and it looks like they'll do just that. You think they decide to get a little aggressive now that they've accomplished their goals? Maybe jump into the Quintana derby? Just pure speculation by me but bringing back the same team as last year while the Cubs and Nationals get better doesn't seem like a recipe for breaking through and winning the pennant. Given how much money they spent on the other see, I could see where they look at Q and his price and value it more. That said, Friedman isn't one with a reputation of being willing to make an aggressive pay (and that is what it will take to get Q, imo).

Nats & Marlins are two potential destinations (presumed since both teams were in on some other closers). Who else has been looking at closers or could be an option? I do think when it comes to Robertson, you don't have to move him now, and his value could be higher at the deadline (presuming he proves he's healthy).

Jensen reportedly going to be going back to the Dodgers (per Rosenthal). One less suitor for Robertson.

Who else was in on Turner? We know the Nats and Marlins were in on Jensen, so have an idea of other teams who might be interested in Robertson's services, but I have a harder time knowing when it comes to Frazier.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:05 AM) Solid mid-season finale of The Walking Dead last night. The entire season so far has been very good, and it looks like the second half is setting up to be action-packed. Completely agree.

Are there any recent rumors?

Truly fantastic interview. So informative.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 06:56 AM) Watch some team give Barkley a big deal. He looks like he could be a solid back up. You are probably in pretty good shape if he is your back up or third string. He is a restricted FA so I think it is pretty likely he is back on the Bears.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:53 AM) At this point the Bears probably want to trade down to accumulate picks I like that strategy. Seems like the top defensive guys on the board will be gone and you don't have a great LT sitting there. Who knows though...a lot can happen between now and the draft.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) The Bears absolutely need to do something at QB. Either a high draft pick or a trade for a short term veteran, or perhaps even both. The fact that this administration hasn't even tried, despite knowing the clock on Cutler would potentially have him cut after this year, is inexcusable. At least spend a 3rd round pick and see if you find a Dak Prescott. I agree we should do something, but Barkley is playing himself into the job. I don't think I'd be taking any of these guys at the top of the 1st round (of the available QB's). Doesn't mean I don't take a QB later (or move down to get one). Will be closely watching to see how Barkley continues to do, especially now that the league has three weeks of film on him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Question for the board. What if Houston caved in and said they would trade Bregman but the trade would be Bregman for Q straight up. Would ya do it? Absolutely not.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) Hope he signs and then Turner goes elsewhere. Dodgers come running to us for Robertson/Frazier Yep...ideal scenario for RH.

I think the media blowback is why we will see things take a bit longer for Q. Everyone will be reanalyzing the market, turning more stones...but at the end of the day, Q is a unique asset and one who is highly valued and someone will pay the price, which should be somewhere in between what Sale & Eaton got (and I'm okay if it is what Eaton got).

Interesting....that said, I think he'd take a bit less to stay in LA.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:08 PM) They still have Betances, right? Yeah...they still have a good pen, but I presume they'll look for another good set-up guy to join (especially since they don't have a deep rotation). Clearly Q is a fit, but it doesn't appear they are ready to deal the prospects necessary for him, but maybe the Sale deal forces their hand (referring to Boston getting stronger).

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) I mean Robertson was a pretty sweet SU guy for them when Mariano was around. Yanks aren't going to spend that much money on a closer and set-up guy. No way.

Fantastic fantastic pitcher. So damn fun to watch and so bittersweet this move is. So sad we couldn't built a contender around this elite of a pitcher (and really him and Q). Very sad indeed. Always gave it his all and I know he will do fantastic for Boston and be good to whoop our asses for the next few seasons, but hopefully the move works out well for us as well.

Played the game right. Very enjoyable and very anti what I've seen out of most of the Sox position players the last few years. Wish him all the best in Washington.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) Hard telling. They have some good relievers already and even if they aren't cutting costs massively, they may not be ready to drop huge money on a closer. Plus, Loria has opened the coffers to pay for an elite closer, which is weird, but I'm not sure the Marlins get outbid here. Of course this could all be totally wrong! Hot Stove, Baby! Supposedly the Marlins aren't willing to give up the qualifying pick for Jensen. That is what I heard on LA sports talk tonight at least. They mentioned Jensen's reps were spotted with the Dodgers most of the day.

Nate Jones to the Yanks?