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QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:17 AM) we certainly have a runaway winner here. I think asshole post of the decade and century got locked up too.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:32 AM) Does anybody happen to know of a queen size mattress/boxspring will fit in a minivan? Probably not. In fact, I'm almost sure it won't. You can fit the matress in by bending it, but the box spring won't fit.

I personally have: Pierre Beckham Quentin Konerko Teahen Ramirez AJP Rios Kotsay/Jones/Vizquel And no, I certainly hope that isn't our opening day lineup, but based upon what the club currently has on the roster, that is what mine would be. Only debate in my eyes would be flipping Rios and Ramirez.

SoxNet's Projected Batting Order - With Slideshow By Mario Scalise SoxNet.net

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) I was thinking about this yesterday, and I realized one thing. No way Matsui signs here for $6.5 million when the Angels are making the same offer. My guess is he would have required something closer to $8 million in order to pass the Angels and sign with us. So it's not really $6.5 million we're talking here. It's more. The White Sox were one of very few teams Hideki looked at. And we don't even know if the Sox actually make an offer for Matsui. Clearly there was interest in both sides and Matsui had an interest in playing in Chicago. I think if the two clubs made similar offers, Matsui would be a White Sox and not an Angel.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 08:58 PM) I heard the same as Ace....I thought he handled his predicament in LA very professionally...did you hear differently? As for the point Melissa is making, all it matters is if the guy gets on base. Whether it's because he walks, or hits, or gets drilled, or gets on base because of an error, it doesn't matter. Pierre doesn't walk much, but he's a lifetime .300 hitter. So we can disparage his walk rate as much as we want, but it doesn't quite paint the entire picture. I'm confused, weren't they talking about Luis Castillo. I've never heard a bad thing about Pierre. He's known as a good clubhouse guy and a consumate pro.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) I think what original poster is trying to point out is that we are most likely are going to have a 7 men bullpen. With that said, assuming the backup catcher is Flowers/FA, as of right now there is no space for a DH, if they send Nix to AAA, and sign a DH there is no one to backup the IF other than Vizquel. Hopefully I'm making sense here. EDIT: If we are going with 6 man bullpen than, we can still sign a DH and Nix stays on the roster as the second IF backup. Ozzie likes carrying 7 relievers. Now they may ultimately not go that route, especially since the club has a strong rotation, on paper, but another option would be for the club to release one of its outfielders at the start of training camp. The most likely candidate for that would be Andruw Jones. I think Jones has a lot of pressure to show up and play.

QUOTE (monomach @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) "Kerry Wood and Mark Prior should be fine this year, we're going to win the world series!" They had injury concerns, the guys I'm mentioning don't really have them. Linebrink has been very healthy over his career as has Pena. Jenks has been pretty healthy in a Sox uni.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:41 PM) Forgot to mention earlier that according to Terry Boers' "guy" with the Sox, the Sox want nothing to do with Thome being back in 2010. He's way down on their list.

QUOTE (Soderholm's Lovechild @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) I believe very little of what I hear publicly from the White Sox organization in the offseason. Especially from Ozzie, as I'm pretty sure KW lies to him on a regular basis. By the way, welcome aboard!

QUOTE (Soderholm's Lovechild @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) I believe very little of what I hear publicly from the White Sox organization in the offseason. Especially from Ozzie, as I'm pretty sure KW lies to him on a regular basis. That is an exceptional point. Kenny likes stuff to stay quiet and it is no secret that Ozzie has loose lips. "Loose Lips Sink Ships"

QUOTE (monomach @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:29 PM) I don't see how the pen is any better than last year. We ditched Carrasco, who was underrated and picked up a guy that no one is sure still has it. We'll still have Ozzie using an amazing lefty-only guy (Randy Williams) against righties. On the other hand, the rotation is so good that the pen should be "good enough." Linebrink, Pena, and Jenks should all be better than last year. That alone should make them significantly better.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) I hope you are right. Please be Gonzo or Prince!!!! Of course that would move PK to DH FULL TIME, which goes against what Ozzie just said in an interview. Prince is represented by Scott Boras so that is unlikely. Gonzo will be heavily courted by the Red Sox and while the Sox have enough to get Adrian Gonzalez, they can't afford to go toe to toe with them.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) The trade is fine as long as there's another move coming. Well there is what we've heard in quiet and than there is what the Sox have publicly stated. I'm going to hold out my hope that they are working on things. Kenny doesn't just sit around and I certainly hope we have the flexibility to add one more bat. If we do, than this really has been a great off-season, especially when you consider the additions of Peavy/Garcia/Rios late last year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:28 PM) Thome can platoon though, is the point. Jones can face lefties and Thome righties, for still less than half the price (or thereabouts) that Matsui costs. I could give two s***s where he is hitting the ball if they're not able to catch it at the same rate as they are not able to catch the balls Matsui hits. And damn, I hate those walks and home runs....they kill me! The point is, a guy that hits for a much higher average is much more likely to get the big hits than a guy who will either whack the heck out of the ball than not. Add in the fact that one hits for a significantly higher average with RISP and it really swings another way. I realize Thome is cheap and I'd rather have him than Kotsay/Jones but that doesn't mean I'd be happy with it. He was one of the big things that was wrong with our offense. But he wasn't the only thing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:12 PM) Because he hits more doubles and less home runs? Because he hits to all fields, strikes out less, and is a better pure hitter at this point. He's a much more complete offensive player than Jim Thome. Thome's stats were heavily driven by HR's and Walks but he had major negatives in the fact that he had a poor average and very high strike-out totals. He is by definition an all or nothing player. Look, I realize the OPS is nice. But with two guys on, I'd like to know I have a guy that can hit for good power and for a better average than a guy that will either walk, hit a 3 run HR or strike out.

QUOTE (JDSox @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) Another thing cutting against dealing Quentin is he is a virtual bargain if he lives up to his potential. Getting hit in the wrist is more of a freak thing, and his plantar fascitis should be cleared up this year. He should have a big year and easily outproduce his cheap contract. I think the Sox would be making a massive mistake moving Quentin. He's a good guy whose works his ass off and is reportedly in great shape. The upside is too high and his contract is really too much of a bargain. This guy is a potential MVP whom the club has under control for a few more years. It would be a massive mistake to move him, unless, you are getting a budding superstar in return.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) We just had Thome LAST YEAR who put up an .850 OPS and all anyone could do was rag on him for being slow and old. Now we want to pay a very similar player $6.5 million, when the same guy we had last year can be had for half that. Brilliant. Matsui is a much more complete hitter than Jim Thome.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:04 PM) The annoything thing is that Ozzie has been stating his desire to go with a rotating DH since mid-september, this isn't something started by Williams in recent days as a negotiating tactic, this appears to be something that the manager truly desires. Ya, that scares me. I hope Ozzie has some plan up his sleeve. I love the idea of a rotating DH, but it should consist of a few guys that the club can rotate and maybe one extra player that is young who could use the extra at bats (where the other guys rest) as developmental experience. For example, if the club had 4 quality guys for the 3 OF spots and DH, plus a Tyler Flowers, I'd be perfectly content. But to use a rotating DH's at bats with Vizquel/Jones/Kotsay would be very bad, imo. Nothing wrong with a rotating DH to keep guys fresh, just make sure we are talking about starting caliber players being a part of this combo. The Angels have excelled with this approach over the years, but they also aren't running a bunch of s*** out there either.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 03:01 PM) If he's going to be getting significant time at DH and OF then he's not a bench player and in the 3 seasons he's been healthy enough to manage starter level PA he's put up s*** numbers. Kotsay, if used properly, can be a very valuable bench guy. He handles the bat well, plays a nice defense at 1st base, and can give you a bit of flexibility and play decently out in left/right. He also has a stroke that should work off the bench well. If the club is going to use him as a starter, than it would be a huge mistake. Kotsay isn't the player he was 7 or 8 years ago, he's physically limited and the only way you can get success out of him is as a role player. I really hope the Sox plan on using him that way. Ozzie used him pretty good and effectively last year. He might have went with him a little long in certain stretches, but his performance warranted that. He's also just a great guy to have in the locker room.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) Matsui got 3.5 millioin, so you're basically talking not having Jones/Pierre/Omar. I would have much rather the Sox had Matsui and Putz. I don't even dislike Pierre. Didn't he get 6.5 million?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 02:57 PM) How about not wasting $8M on Pierre and instead finding someone off the scrapheap that can put up a ~.330 OBP for the minimum and play a little CF, they're out there. I'll gladly take a DH that can put up a decent OPS if it means no Kotsay or Andruw Jones, this is the AL you don't use your bench all that often and neither player has much flexibility anyway. I don't really give a s*** about either. And if Vizquel isn't going to be getting 250+ PA including time at DH I'm disappointed they signed him as well. You can not, under any circumstance (at least not when healthy) break camp with Kotsay/Jones/Vizquel getting significant at bats at DH. Vizquel's value is as a back-up defensive player so DH'ing him would be assisine. Jones has proven he isn't the player he once was. Sure, he's young enough that he could figure things out, but he signed for 500K for a reason and the odds are far greater that he hits .220 with a s***-ton of strikeouts and 15HR's than he hits .270 with 35HR's. And Kotsay is great in a reserve/platoon role. You limit Kotsay and keep him fresh and he'll be a real nice pinch-hitter, pinch-runner, defensive replacement (at 1st). Anything more and you are making a mistake. Bottom line, the above scenario would be a f***ing joke and it better not happen. I don't expect that it will and I really hope all of this talk is the club playing coy. I am scared that Ozzie might actually think that it would be a good idea to use those guys as your DH.

I'll say this, a DH of Kotsay/Jones would be an epic disaster.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) Not sure if this was posted yet: http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/...erre_trade.html KW: That scares me...big time.

By the way, what did you guys think of the format? We are going to try to do more pieces using the slide-show format.