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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 09:48 AM) As Pods biggest critic, I applaude this move. He sucks, but................. He is better than Owens. He even is better than Wise. Let him get up to speed in Charlotte and when he's ready if BA hasn't taken over, let him play until he comes up lame. Exactly. Sure there are tons of other guys I'd rather have, but Pods is better than the other guys we had playing. You could make a case for BA having a shot at being better and I expect him to get the job for the next week or so until Pods is back and ready to play. Pods shoudln't need much time in the minors since he had a full spring.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 09:05 AM) How can any White Sox fan complain about Paul Konerko? Allen will be very lucky to have the career Konerko has had. In fact, the odds are he doesn't. I'd say there is a 98% chance that he doesn't have the career Konerko did. Konerko was a highly touted minor leaguer who lived up to his hype. The guy has been an all star, won a world series, and all and all been one of the better first baseman over the past 7 to 8 years. Best, no, but above average, absolutely.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 13, 2009 -> 08:34 PM) I think so. What I want to know---why the hell did the Reds pass on Beckham for another lefty 1B, in Alonso? They have Votto and Bruce for lefty power. I'm not saying Alonso is going to be a bust, but wow I think they blew it. So, thank you, Reds. There were a lot of people that doubted Beckham's ability to become a star. So far it looks like he might turn into one, but you still have to remember he's not a guy that will lead the league in HR's or RBI's or anything like that. The best shot of him being a star is staying at SS, hitting over .300 with 20-25 HR's, a s***ton of doubles, and a .380+ OBP.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Apr 12, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) I disagree, none of the guys other than Poreda can be slotted into a future White Sox rotation. They are all far too unproven at this point. Not too mention none project into the front of the rotation (and that includes Poreda, who I fully believe has a far better upside as a reliever). There are a couple of live arms but they are a ways away and I think the Sox should focus on getting some hard throwing arms in this draft.

Trying to get info on Cassel's injury but no luck so far.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Apr 13, 2009 -> 05:03 PM) I don't think AA has the best talent. That level might have more prospects, but AAA has talented guys that are a bit older. I'm going to take the other side. In terms of talent, great fastballs, great pure stuff, AA has far more of it than AAA. However, AAA has more developed players so if a guy is a good fastball hitter, he might still dominate in AA but than struggle massively in AAA where you are going against more veteran pitchers who typicaly have much more command and willingness to use there off-speed stuff.

I have to think with Fields production, that long term, Viciedo is penciled into a corner outfield spot or 1st base. If he can hit like everyone thinks he can, he'll still be incredibly productive in any of those spots. Obviously there is more value in having him at third, but if you can't, you can't. Plus you still have Beckham who might have to move to another position and than of course there is Brandon Allen as well. The big question is obviously who ends up panning out, because it would be highly unlikely that all of them do.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Apr 11, 2009 -> 05:42 PM) Maybe a poor man's Garland. Marquez is 24 and yet to make his Major League debut. By 24, Garland had 3 full seasons in the Majors under his belt. Oh and Marquez has blah stuff. If he's going to make it, he's got a lot to work on in terms of command cause he doesn't have the stuff to have marginal control.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Apr 12, 2009 -> 11:13 AM) Eh. I'd put Ely, Harrell, Nunez, Omogrosso, Egbert, Poreda, Derek Rodriguez, Link, and Marquez ahead of him for sure. Every one of those guys has a ceiling higher than a 6th starter/garbage man, all are starting in Double A or higher, and all have at least as good of a chance to get to the bigs based on how close they already are. I'd also put Santeliz ahead of him as well because even without much control his arm is going to get him a lot more shots than Broadway is ever going to get, and Santeliz at least has a chance to do something special if he makes a big league club at some point. I'd even consider Cassel and Fernando Hernandez ahead of Broadway simply because they have progressed (with the exception being Hernandez struggling after not being able to do anything with Oakland as a Rule-5) and have not miserably failed like Broadway has. Broadway was taken in the first round in the '05 draft as a fast mover. He signed early, went right to W-S, then the next season (2006) started in Birmingham and made Charlotte at the end of the season. He debuted in the Majors at the end of 2007 after starting out in Charlotte, so he was right on track, but then he failed to stick in the bigs the next season even after a huge bullpen implosion and the lack of a fifth starter. Then Mike MacDougal and DJ Carrasco took his spot this spring, and although we never know what crappy player Ozzie and Kenny will call up next, it would at least appear on the surface that there are several much better options than Lance Broadway and that Broadway has fallen behind at least a couple of them. If you look at that 2005 draft, there were a bunch of HS players who have already begun to make their marks in the bigs or at least are very close to making their debut. This is Broadway's third straight season starting in Charlotte. I agree with this in general but ceiling should trump odds at least to a degree anyway. Broadway's ceiling is the type of player that is available every year in FA for the league minimum. In fact, I'd much rather sign a reclamation project like Colon every year for $1M + incentives and gamble for the chance of picking up a #3/#4 for next to nothing than give $400K and a roster spot to some guy who I already know is going to blow chunks. I think it's different with a guy like Cassel for instance who is like a possible 5th starter/longman or whatever, because that guy hasn't had his chance to show he can or cannot make it yet. Broadway will be out of options next ST if he's still in the organization and he doesn't have the type of stuff that makes you take him and hope for a miracle. He's a guy that is there to fill innings in case your starters go down and your season is basically over so you don't mind losing games and you don't want to rush a real prospect. Sorry if my Broadway hatred is too thick, but I just don't see how he can still be called a prospect. Actually, he could very well be a poor man's Kyle Loshe, not in the sense that they are at all similar pitchers (stuff wise) but that they both might be guys that you can pencil in for a good number of innings who might keep you in games (obviously, we can argue either way). He could very well be a Joe Mays. You rattle off all of those guys and I can already tell you that most of the guys on that list don't project as starting pitchers and in general, that alone puts there value lower as relief pitchers in general have a much lower value in terms of prospect status (unless you are a potential closer prospect). Omogrosso/Link/Nunez are relief prospects, Omogrosso being my favorite, Nunez being a guy that needs to find a 2nd pitch before he ever makes it (plus command). Broadway is better than Egbert, Marquez (puuhhhlease) and no one will tell me that Harrell or Ely have far better stuff or ceilings than Broadway either(who could be a starter on at least a few major league teams today). So while I might have Broadway moved one way or another on the list, your analysis is off when you talk about the other guys on there, imo, given that no one aside from Omogrosso/Link would even be remotedly considered potential impact guys (and they would be in the pen and both are far from sure things). And Poreda is obviously higher ranked.

QUOTE (scenario @ Apr 12, 2009 -> 10:28 AM) He's on Bristol's roster again. He only pitched in 7 games after signing last year. And he's only 19 years old. A guy that one day, could easily be a top 5 prospect in this system. That day isn't today though.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Apr 12, 2009 -> 07:38 AM) How does Lance Broadway still make these lists? Talk to scouts around the bigs and there is still a good amount of them that will tell you that Broadway will have a career in the majors. It probably won't be the Sox, but he can easily fit into the 4th/5th spot of a rotation or be a very valuable long man in a pen.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 12, 2009 -> 06:50 AM) I think Allen is too high. He's a very good prospect, but he's still very raw and needs to work on that K:BB ratio. Nevin Griffith, even though he hasn't done much, should be on the list simply because he has more potential then a lot of the guys listed. Also, does Gilmore have an AAP Page yet? I'm gonna have to check in a minute. My quick list would be: 1. Gordon Beckham 2. Dayan Viciedo 3. Tyler Flowers 4. Aaron Poreda 5. Brandon Allen 6. John Shelby 7. Jordan Danks 8. Dan Hudson 9. Dexter Carter 10. Ed Escobar 11. Jose Martinez 12. Brent Morel 13. John Ely 14. Justin Cassel 15. Jack Egbert 16. Jeff Marquez 17. Lance Broadway 18. Jon Link 19. Gregory Infante 20. Steve Upchurch 21. Jon Gilmore 22. Lucas Harrell 23. Tyler Kuhn 24. Nevin Griffith 25. C.J. Retherford _ 26. Cole Armstrong/Donny Lucy 27. David Cook 28. Nathan Jones 29. Stefan Gartrell 30. Charlie Shirek Nevin Griffin has had constant injuries and quite frankly I'd have no gripe if he didn't even make the list because there are so many potential questionmarks about his durability. Show me one good reason why a guy like Griffin should be on there. Does he have upside, sure, but there are so many negatives about durability and an overall lack of production (mostly associated with that durability) that in no positive way could you put him higher on the list.

Stoney is awesome. Hawk can get ridiculous at times, but Stoney is the man.

You'll definately see Lillibridge get some time in CF. Will the Sox bring Owens up, I'd assume so, but maybe not.

Wynn's buffet is also ridiculous. But be ready to shell out some dough at either the Wynn or Bellagio buffet.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 13, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) Can Lillibridge be our new starting CF when Getz comes back? Lilli really turned it on after I b****ed him out. Quentin has turned it on too since my b**** fest on Friday.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 13, 2009 -> 10:06 AM) That is f***ing retarded Tell me about it, I've gotten to see like one and a half Sox games so far. It freaking blows. How about some game times for people that work.

Wooo...who would have thunk it.

QUOTE (PlunketChris @ Apr 10, 2009 -> 06:26 PM) I love Getz.. I really do, I've liked what I've seen of him since he came to the big club, but I'm really not sure where he's going to play. Lexi is at short, Fields is at third, and Beckham is quickly moving through the system. One of these guys is going to be bigtime trade bait, or they're going to have to pull the trigger on Lexi to CF, which doesn't seem to be an option, and from what we've seen of Lexi in CF, I can understand why. Getz is a ballplayer, to me he'll be one of the best all around 2nd baseman in baseball. But I've touted him for a long time so I'm a bit biased.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 10, 2009 -> 06:25 PM) Chris Getz is f***ing awesome. He's also seen a TON of pitches in this game just like a good leadoff hitter should. He might just be a great leadoff hitter too.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 10, 2009 -> 06:22 PM) All I know is Beckham's offense goes from above average to average if you move him from up the middle to 3rd base. Which is why I think he probably ends up in CF.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 10, 2009 -> 06:20 PM) RAMIREZ TO CENTER FIELD! Based on what the org is saying about his defense, there is no way they move Ramirez to CF.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2009 -> 06:19 PM) One of our 3 guys up the middle is going to need to be moved somewhere. Beckham could always play 3rd or Fields could move to 1B with Beckham playing 3B. Regardless its a good problem to have, imo.

Getz is a f***ing stud. He's gonna have a long career in CHicago.

AJ had a great approach there. He ripped that, Delmon made the play. In the summer thats at least off the fence.