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Ya, I hadn't read it was a female pill. Didn't get that far in the thread. Thats really suspicious.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:19 AM) Sexual enhancer? interesting. I still think its odd that a player, nowadays, would allow ANYTHING to be injected into his body without checking with the league. Which makes Manny either not-too-bright, or its a cover-up or lie of some kind. And as DA said, ED is a common side effect of some PED's. He's also refusing the appeal process. Seems like we still don't have the whole picture. But at BEST, he was stupid, and there are multiple pieces of evidence to suggest it goes beyond that. Ya, but ED is also a relatively common thing for people his age or at least I'm led to believe that given all of the commercials on TV.

I loved Fringe when it first started but I haven't watched it much lately.

Was Albert Belle's name ever tied into steroids?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2009 -> 05:28 AM) The timestamp on the LAT article posting is 34 minutes before I send this post in. I just realized the clocks on the board are f'd up. s***, insane. I wub Manny too.

What the f***. Why was this not on ESPN thsi morning?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2009 -> 12:58 PM) How has Crede's glove been this season? He's been solid, but Punto has been the only above average defender consistently all season. That said I know the Twins have said nothing but good things about Crede's defense and I'm sure it'll continue to get better as the rust wears off.

The Twins don't look like the Twins. There defense has been f***ing horrible outside of Punto.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) The Hudson signing was fantastic for them, as he's provided such a cool demeanor to offset any of Manny's craziness. If it happens, I can't wait to root for them again when they face the Cubs in the playoffs. I've seen a lot of Dodger games this year and Hudson is playing freaking phenomenal. Why the hell the Sox didn't sign him and figure out a way to go Getz/Ramirez/Hudson in some order in CF/SS/2B is beyond me. Absolutely foolish, foolish.

Watermelon is so freaking good.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 6, 2009 -> 07:34 AM) Well swine flu symptoms are sore throat,over confidence,uncontrollable farting that makes people vomit, and urge to be cheap under any circumstances. So you should probably put a mask on. you know I love ya buddy. I'm not feeling tired or anything like that though. I had like a stomach bug for like the past day and a half so maybe it has to do with me fighting that off. Or maybe me popping a zillion mg's of zinc is really helping me. I guess I'll know more when I wake up tomorrow.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 6, 2009 -> 11:22 AM) Jas, if I remember correctly, weren't you a Lucy guy early on? Nope. I said that he had a lot of raw catching tools and had the ability to be successful and didn't hate on his physical abilities. I always pointed out the fact that he was "raw".

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) Yes, more about command. I know their stuff isn't similiar at all. It just seems like Poreda would have a hell of a time completing 5 innings at the big league level right now. It will be interesting to see if he can cut down on the wildness the rest of his minor league season. I'd put him more on par with a poor man's Scott Kazmir.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) How similar are Poreda's K/BB ratio to those of Cotts when he was in AA? Are they even close? Cotts was filthy down in AA. Plus I don't know how you can really compare the two guys considering they have completely different stuff. Cotts never had the dominanting fastball, but the hitch in his delivery (when healthy) made him very tough to catch up to. However, I remember Cotts struggled with his command and thus struggled during his initial call-up with the Sox. So maybe you are talking about how Poreda also struggles with command. Regardless I don't look too into the numbers in that sense, I look more at the fact that Poreda has a lot to learn, although I've heard his breaking pitch is getting better and better and I also know the Sox are trying to have him throw less of his best pitch (FB) so that he can further develop and hone his other stuff.

Wow, I never knew that. Awful, simply awful. Norton might not have been as good of a ball player as I thought he might end up being, but I always have cheered for him and one of the things etched in my mind from watching baseball as a kid were the Nawton...Your the Greatest calls. So with that in mind...Nawton, your the greatest

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:22 AM) One of the top 3 pitchers in college doesn't make you one of the top 3 or 10 or 100 pitching prospects for the pros. There have been Heisman trophy winners that don't get drafted. It was a bad pick and it was supposed to be a "safe" pick. He didn't have a big upside. It was safe because it was assumed he would most likely and fairly quickly become a mediocre 4th or 5th starter. I think there are still quite a few people that believe he'll make it as a 4th or 5th starter in the majors. I just don't think they believe it will be with the Sox and I don't know if it will be this year. But if he sticks around he'll hone his command and have some serviceable (note that I say serviceable) major league years and will make himself at least a few million bucks playing this game (aside from the moeny he's already gotten).

I could see Lilli maybe fitting in on an NL squad as a last bench player, but in the AL, no way. In terms of Betemeit, I like him as a hitter but he's so freaking bad in the field from what I've seen that I'm hard pressed to use him in anything other than a DH role. And right now Thome is the guy and I'm not so certain that I'd want Betemeit as a full time DH anyway. He's not that good of a hitter.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 6, 2009 -> 10:18 AM) There is nothing more unfair than playing the "they drafted player A when player B could've been had." The Bears drafted Curtis Enis instead of Randy Moss. They drafted Cade McNown instead of Champ Bailey. Unless you know the team was targeting that guy or that you or the many people involved had a lot better guys higher on your board. For example, I will always b**** about the Sox drafting of Lucy when they did because I had seen Suzuki play for a long long time at Fullerton and knew he was the guy I wanted. I wanted him badly. Now the jury is obviously still out on him, but no one in baseball would say Lucy is a better prospect than Suzuki. I will say that Lucy still has the potential to be a big league catcher, but probably not for this organization as it seems to not at all appreciate the defensive aspect of the game. Lucy is pretty darn good defensively, so was Stewart and neither have really ever gotten a fair shot with the Sox (Stewart got moved and eventually found his way back here again).

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 6, 2009 -> 09:57 AM) All I can say is I disagree. The Broadway I was watching had me not believing what I was seeing. It looked like soft slop, so unusually bad I thought I'd start its own thread. If Broadway is going to remind us of anyone, he's much more reminiscent of the typical Twins pitcher (or Non Santana/Liriano Twins pitcher). I'd say his upside would be simialr to that of Radke but there are plenty of guys with the ability to cut, move and change speeds like Radke (or even a Buehrle) but very few have the command that those guys have. I still say Broadway will have an extended career in the big's, but it probably won't be with the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2009 -> 08:46 AM) Yeah, maybe they can bring up Wes Whisler to take his place? Do you realize that what comes after Contreras is going to be worse? Which is why I kept saying it was a massive failure for the Sox to do what they did. People kept saying we had depth and the smart ones knew that Marquez was crap (at least currently), that Richard doesn't have enough pitches to be a successful starter, Broadway doesn't have command, etc etc etc. Fact is the Sox were counting on Colon and Contreras and had absolutely no alternative readily available. In fact, I still think the Sox priority in the draft should be on pitching, pitching and more pitching because the fact of the matter is aside from guys in the lower levels (who have a lot left to prove) there are very few even potential high impact arms in the system. Poreda is the only one at a high enough level and I consistently will tell you that he isn't ready to be a high impact starter with his current arsenal, although if his sinker is truly plus plus, that could change.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2009 -> 08:42 AM) Yet the Sox love Lillibridge and what's his only tool? The Sox have had a year or two with a lot of selections in the first 50, and really screwed up. I think Pedroia was available when Whisler and Lucy were drafted. Maybe another problem is the total inability to develop players at lower levels. Bucholtz, Kershaw a couple of pitchers still on the board when Broadway was taken. Maybe Boston is just a lot better in the lower levels of developing guys. Absolutely, the draft with Sweeney/Anderson was one of the biggest ones. Initially people thought the Sox made out like bandits, but Lumsden was dealt for MacDougall and fell on his face, BA turned into a bust (sorry but he is), and Sweeney took longer to develop and the Sox lost patience and sent him elsewhere. Gio was also dealt and well Whisler was an awful pick, although he's having a great year in the minors. So is McCulloch, shockingly enough. Heck, I think a lot of us complained about Kenny Jr. but speed is his biggest tool. I also think we'll see the Sox take a speedster very early in this draft. Lets just hope they get a Ellsbury and not a Lillibridge. And I have no freaking clue why the Sox love Lillibridge. The guy I love in limited AB's is Nix. The guy just looks like a ballplayer.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 6, 2009 -> 06:23 AM) What's the story on Justin Edwards? He pitched for Kannapolis in 2007, but was in independent ball in 2008. Today for Kanny: 5 innings, 1 walk, 9 K's I can't remember but I thought he was hurt. He was a real good prep pitcher, IIRC. Doesn't have great stuff but was always thought of a guy that knew how to pitch and as such garnered comparisons to Buehrle when he was drafted. It was a while ago though, so I might be mistaking him for another lefty, but I'm pretty certain he was one of the top high school pitchers in his state.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 6, 2009 -> 08:38 AM) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thank you Jason. Hell look at Broadway's college stats and even when he was in B-Ham. He was a stud. Kid has movement on his pitches, he just isn't as talented as once thought. But McCollugh... ugh, always HATED that pick. He is waaaaaay worse than Broadway. Hell McCollugh probably won't even make it past AA. (or at least "earn the right" to move past there) Kyle is actually pitching well, but his stuff is very "meh".

Or even a guy like Ricky Brooks that was a top 5 round selection (4th, IIRC) that wasn't on most teams draft boards.

On an unrelated sidenote, a lot of people could say that the Red Sox went safe with Pedroai, figuring they'd get a solid ballplayer with that pick but no one thought his tools would project him into a star at the major league level. Turns out he's quite the ballplayer. Of course any of us could say that about a crapload of MLB players.