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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) So what's the purpose of waterboarding if it's not torture? You know what the purpose is. It's to gain information. It's not to get their jollies. Apparently, though, that's what most on the left want to make it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) Let's not forget, one of the reasons Bush gave for going to war was that Saddam tortured people. So we had to torture people to justify a war where we tortured people so we could get somebody else to stop torturing people. Yea, we use chemical weapons on our own people, we behead people, we cut off limbs, we whip and beat the crap out of people, we cut off their nuts and let them bleed a slow death - yea, we do all those things. It's not the same thing. Not even close. I personally don't like the idea of waterboarding people - but I think it's not torture like you have the hard on to make it. You all want something so bad to hang GWB administration people on without even looking at the big picture. "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"... that's right, and the people who put the memos together DID NOT BREAK A LAW. They stated a legal opinion. So, now that's prosecuted in this country? f*** all you people who think that's ok (should it go that far). And furthermore, if it's so nice over there and they treat their people so much better, get out of my country.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:23 PM) Why not just drop some nukes in pakistan and the rest of the middle east? It would prevent american deaths if all middle extremists were killed. Whatever it takes! Why don't we just hijack a few planes and kill thousands of innocent people, just because? I'm glad you take their side and mentality.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:26 PM) Torturing will not solve any problems just create more. Why not address the root causes of extremists hatred towards America? that would seem more beneficial and humane. What are the root causes and how would you address them? Right, sit and talk with them. :) :) We need to blame America for all the extremeism around the world... if only they would like us!!!!!!! Or, bow to a king of a foreign country to let them know that we need to bow down and kiss their ass.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:21 PM) How many people in U.S. history have died from terrorism on our soil? Torturing will only recruit more extremists to want to do more harm to us. And that changes anything? Most of the 9/11 recruits were from the mid 1990's. It's different now? I don't think so. The only message that these people get is to get missles crammed up their assholes. Other then that, it doesn't matter. Words don't mean s*** to these people. And it's still laughable that all this is "TORTUREEEEEEEEEEE". The only one that's even questionable in my mind is the waterboarding. And even that isn't nearly as bad as what they do to us.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:18 PM) Just pointing out the hypocrisy in your belief system. You don't know my belief system, except that I'm saying you do what you have to do in a time of war to protect thousands of lives. Don't you dare question the other side of my belief system because you don't have a clue. You can't have a clue or you wouldn't believe what you do.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:17 PM) I think it's a war. We invaded other countries to stop it. Over threw the Afgan government. It's a war. If invading, occupying, and overthrowing governments isnt war, I'm not sure what is. Then why is our current government running away from it as fast as they can? (I know the answer, but I want to see yours. You do realize you're arguing against your whole premise here, right?)

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) You never answered my earlier question. What does your religion say about torture? So you are trying to judge me on something you don't even believe in? Wow. Next question.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) I refuse to sell my soul. If we are willing to do ANYTHING to get what we want, that makes us no better than those we wish to torture. It's not "ANYTHING". Again, strawman.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:06 PM) Thanks for the well wishes everyone!!!! I'm getting old....26...but the good news is that I still can't dunk, lol, but I can still get out on the court a few days a week and put up bricks. Oh, you're building a house? Have a good one, dude.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) How would you all feel if one day America became a Muslim majority nation and Christians were being detained and tortured because it was feared they might be terrorists? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, because CLEARLY that's what happened. Whatever, straw man.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 11:50 AM) Here's what kinda pisses me off about the whole thing. Cheney keeps saying "but look what info it got us". So, basically, he is saying the ends justify the means, which is NOT what we stand for as a country. We are against torture... no matter what the results. So, for Chaney to say what he is saying, says he doesnt give a rats ass about the constitution, the Geneva conventions, or the rights of humans. As long as we get what we want, the rules be damned. The Constutition is not for non-Us citizens. And the Geneva Convention does not apply in this case. So what other straw man GWB's adminstration is evil as hell arguements do all you people want to keep throwing out there? Oh, the next one: "We're better then that" and the next one is "they are not above the law" - no law was broken. When in the hell do you people want to learn that war is a dirty business? No one likes it, but you all want to make it this nicey nicey nicey thing, and it's just not. Oh, next, "it's not a war, it's an overseas contingency operation"... yea, for a moron with nice flowery words spewing out of his mouth every day on tv. And on top of that, if it's not a "war" then the Geneva Conventions really don't apply... so which way do you people want it?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:28 AM) I disagree. He attacked a U.S. ship and took hostage of a U.S. citizen. IMO, they have every right to bring him to trial in the U.S. That being said, despite my initial reaction of being glad he'd have to face a U.S. judge for his actions, I am now kind of feeling bad for him. He is only 16-18 years old, appears to have little education, knows no English, is thousands of miles away from home in a country that is nothing like his homeland - he must be terrified. He needs to answer for his actions, but I do feel kind of bad for him. Especially if he was only doing this because he was somewhat manipulated into doing so as his father says (which could very well be false). It is a civilian matter on international waters, not in US jurisdiction. Based on your logic, the terrorist held in Guantanamo should be tried in the US court system, and I say hell no to that.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) Agreed Are there some snow flakes flying around in Texas (looks outside...)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:11 AM) Any talk yet about the Obama administration having to decide what to do with the 16 year old boy who could be facing life in prison, or even the death penalty for his role as a pirate and kidnapper? Bringing him to trial in the US is wrong, I know that much. This was an international civilian incident and should be tried in international court.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:20 AM) Yeah, that is the truth. I get so tired of that. Politicians now seem to apologize almost exclusively in the format of, "Im' sorry that [insert person/group/nation/race/religion] felt offended by what I said about and misunderstood me." That is not an apology at all. Hmmm... I'm sorry that soxtalk felt offended about what I said in the filibuster and misunderstood me... Now conform, you assholes.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:15 AM) He should have been yanked after about 80 pitches last night, he was clearly tired. I didn't see last night - but I do think you're helping me make my point. I think JC's "stuff" is there, he just needs to dial it in.

Count's start with Detroit, I thought he pitched really well that day. You can tell he gets gassed, though about the third time through the lineup. That's when he starts leaving his pitches up and opening up more. I don't know if it's a stamina thing or if it's a mental thing. It seems to me his velocity is there but his control isn't - and I'll take that scenario, if he can get himself back into the right rythym late in games.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 17, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) That's exactly my point. It's two completely different styles. And she wasnt thumbing her nose. She nicely explained to them how it works. Gotcha. Europe has a wonderful system. Speaking of which, airfare to Germany from Dallas ROUND TRIP is $360. If I were working, I would be there next weekend for a weekend trip with that kind of price.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 21, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) Rush ass kissing continues LMAO! This is just too funny. I love the hard on you get every time Rush Limbaugh gets brought up. OOOHHHHH.. HEHEHE LOOKIE! The whole argument about the "de facto" leader is preposterous.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 21, 2009 -> 07:36 PM) How's this for fitting in to the Republican thread, I'm going to cite the dissent in the Hamdan case by Justice Clarence Thomas explaining how joining in a conspiracy to violate the laws of war exposes you to legal jeopardy. Basically, it's the reverse of the Eichmann defense, and it doesn't work either way. If you're trying to justify and cover up orders to violate the rules of war, it doesn't matter if you were doing the "walling" yourself. It is your job under the laws of war to object and to refuse to enable those violations. It's probably not an easy case to make, but it's probably easier than proving perjury. It's similar to charging a mob lawyer for having been a participant in illegal actions. I love it that you're now a legal expert and know that illegal acts were committed.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 21, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) The wrong has been righted. No wonder we thought it a passable idea at the time, seeing as we each drank the equivolent of 12 beers in the span of the Blackhawks game. I'll never do that again. Awesome... were they glad you came back?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 21, 2009 -> 11:06 AM) I don't think that really matters. Since the beginning of our relatively young judicial system, judges have been guided by the principles of the Constitution and subsequent legislation and precedent, not what other countries think. I just feel like judicial systems are so different, and that legal reasoning comes from totally different places depending on the social, political, and legal systems involved, that a decision in country A isn't really applicable to country B. And really most of these "corner cases" deal with moral issues - the death penalty, torture, rights of certain individuals, etc. The decisions in those cases should be rooted in our own society, not anothers. I agree, but there's a huge movement right now on collectivism and societal norms being based on "global" viewpoints.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2009 -> 05:17 PM) I'll wait for the sacrifices and great throws, although I might be waiting a while on Anderson to produce those. Some people thought Rowand was a good thrower, when he was a really average arm. Anderson is above average, but he's far from Larry Walker or Roberto Clemente. You spew some incredibly ignorant stuff.

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