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QUOTE(Texsox @ May 1, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) Your point was there are people willing to pick up your garbage. I agreed and pointed out we could, if we set our minds to it, have Americans doing those jobs. In fact, if we make it a National Priority we could probably have all these jobs covered, imagine . . . George W. Bush, "Tonight, I come before the American peoples and propose a bold initiative that will change American for future generations. It is my goal, by the end of this decade, to raise 12,000,000 custodians, yard workers, busboys, farm workers, and similar careers to stop the practice of immigrants taking these jobs. It will take a fundemental attitude change on the part of Americans everywhere. The American dream should be, after 12 years of our education system, our nation's children should be prepared for a minimum wage life, toiling and giving an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. Our nation's security depends on it. We can not have immigrants sneaking into this country to take these jobs. It is a small step from sneaking illegally into this country, to masterminding the bombing of a federal building, releasing posion gas on our subways, or other acts of terrorism . . ." Don't get your depends in a bunch, I'm joking. MY depends are dry, what about YOURS?

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ May 1, 2006 -> 02:00 PM) tex, I have a customer that is in the construction industry, can't get too muych more specific, that has about 70% of its labor force hispanic. According to my office contact, about half of those are probably illegal. She says they present papers and id, but some of them she can tell are fake (she has been doing this for a while). The lowest paid laborer in this company makes over $16/hour, with benefits. They do not all pick fruit. Sometimes in your arguements you seem to assume an all or nothing pose. Not all illegals pick fruit, nor do they all have $16/hour jobs. By the way, the company is basically shut down today since they don't have enough workers coming in to staff any of their job sites. Way to f*** the white workers! And the black workers! And anyone other than the hispanic workers! VICTIM! WE'RE ALL VICTIMS!! DAMMIT! WE'RE ALL VICTIMS!!!

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 1, 2006 -> 01:32 PM) It would help Bush and those huge unemployment numbers. Or maybe legals will drop their better paying jobs for working in the outdoors picking fruit. Yea, cause that's all the illegals do. You must be racist.

QUOTE(samclemens @ May 1, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) the best thing about this rally is that illegals wont be working. this could force some employers to hire legal citizens, and hopefully, when the illegal returns to their job the next day, there isnt one waiting for him because it has been filled by a non-illegal. please god, let this happen everywhere on a huge scale. It won't, because no one in America has any balls anymore. We're whipped to the political whims of the day. It's pathetic what we have become.

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 1, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) There are people willing to take these jobs, for the most part, they just aren't born in America. But with some changes to our eduction system, I am certain we can produce more garbage collectors. Way to twist my point, as always. :headshake

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2006 -> 12:04 PM) Would that fact change people's opinions one way or another on the program? Probably not. It's definitely apparent that "we need to help these poor, HARD-WORKING, unfortunate souls". :rolly BTW, gee, my trash is getting picked up this morning. And here all this time I just thought it was people who wouldn't want these jobs. What was I thinking? And I also find it hilarious all these stores that are closing around here today... they had "extended hours" Saturday and yesterday and they will tomorrow as well. Economic impact my ass. Again, :rolly

There was a poll somewhere that had a fake "independant" candidate taking basically the stance that has been outlined in the last couple of posts, and they blew away a Republican and Democratic candidate if the election were held on this issue. Maybe I should run for congress.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Apr 29, 2006 -> 05:22 PM) Kap, I agree with you 100%. I just don't necessarily know that deportation is the answer to hold the people who have illegally crossed over accountable. There is nothing saying that they have to be sent back. And trying to send back 12 million people would be well, difficult to say the least. I'm all for fixing our broken immigration laws that punish the immigrant and ignores the people bringing them in when it should be punishing them both. Set up a from this day forward on proposition. You hire illegals: we shut you down. You come over illegally: You get sent back. I'm all for that kind of policy. But the question remains... what to do with the millions here? I don't support a blanket amnesty with no penalty. There should be SOME penalty for breaking the law. But there should also be some venue for these illegal residents to get the legal ability to stay here - be it applying for a green card and paying a fine of several hundred to a couple thousand dollars, or requiring 500 hours community service, or something else that allows these people to be put on a path to contribute to our society in a positive way. This is a situation where we can have our cake and eat it too. This is a situation where we can create laws that work and at the same time hold those who took advantage of a bad situation responsible. But both sides have to budge from their positions. Both the asshole minutemen and the asshole immigrants rights people. Yes, I agree. /faints The hardcore positions will not fix the problem. That's for sure. But, there MUST be a hard stance taken to send the right message, both to the people who hire illegals and to the illegals themselves.

I'm not aiming this at any one specific person, but in general. It is PATHETIC what the political correctness assholes have done in this country. Cry "Bill of Rights" to ILLEGAL immagrants. Oh wait, they're not citizens. Cry "let them do what they want, they're not hurting anything". Oh wait, they broke our laws. Cry "George W. Bush is breaking the laws". Oh wait, let's GET THAT f***ER - he's not following the letter of the law! But it's ok, illegal immagrants... not the same thing, it's about "justice". Cry "no blood for oil" (circa 1991). Oh wait, let's scream like little bratty kids when gas hits $3.00 a gallon, and wonder why our troops are wherever they are today. Cry "$100 for Americans for these high gas prices". Oh wait, that's a political BRIBE. STFU, Congressman. Cry "We won't stand for price gouging" - President Bush. Oh wait, you pandering bastard, don't incentivize anyone to do anything about it. The hypocracy of people is ASTOUNDING to me. This immagration issue is nothing but a bunch of posturing, and people who look the other way are part of the problem. All in the name of "just" causes. Screw that. Find a way to make it legal and actually grow some balls and do something about the REAL problem, fine!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 29, 2006 -> 05:38 AM) Here you go again in Texas. In Houston they get an MLS soccer team. They name it Houston 1836 which is a European like naming of a local soccer team. However they are forced to change the name, after making uniforms, marketing ideas. Why, because the local mexican american community is offended at the name 1836 because that is when the mexican army was defeated. This is the same as people getting offended if a team was named 1776 because the English were kicked out. 1836 to change name You know, if the Mexican-Americans have a problem with it, there probably is a reason. Some of them I have talked to find all of this ridiculous... including the 'walkout' on Monday.

I'm not necessarily pissed off about that, per se, but I do think it's an insult. Being in Dallas, we have a very large population of LEGALS and ILLEGALS here. Most of the legals are pissed about it. I find that interesting. They say it's a slap to what they worked so hard to achieve. Funny how they're offended, but we shouldn't be.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) There is no official language in the United States of America. Author's note: This post will follow every post complaining about a spanish rendition of our national anthem. Go to France and sing the anthem in English and see what response you get. Why is there so much f***ing sympathy for WILLING law breakers? I don't get it. Remember, I said it's not about coming here, it's about being LEGAL.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Protests are very American. The Bill of Rights, which is the single greatest American idea has protesting included in the First Amendment, the most sacred of all Amendments. Creating a spanish version of the National Anthem? So what, it would be like getting in a hissy fit that a Sox game was also being shown with SAP. OMG a Sox game being announced in spanish?! Its a song, and if Mexican's want to sing our song in Spanish, then let them. They are still singing the American National Anthem, they are still showing reverence to our country. Are they willing to die for our country? I dont know, I would expect that if they were let into our country as citizens, and felt that this was their country that they would fight for it just as any other American would. As for they are coming over for only "$" that was the case of many immigrants. Well also because they were starving, being persecuted, etc. They all came to America, for something better. I wish the American govt would just allow more immigration, which would solve the problem. Most immigrants would prefer to come over legally. It always seems to escape folks like you - they are here ILLEGALLY. And you all say "so what"? I just think that's a slap in the face to those who did it the right way, which is all of my ancestors, and yours as well. I understand that they are here to "better" their life. I also understand keeping heritage and culture. But contrary to someone else posted in this thread, they *ARE* shoving this down our throats - which is my beef. I love the Bill of Rights. BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But, as usual, that fact seems to escape most. I do agree, 100%, that most probably do want to come here legally. And I hope a mechanism ends up being put in place for that. But it doesn't change the fact of the laws today.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 07:19 PM) Most bathrooms already have a urinal. It's usually called a shower... Ewwww.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) I disagree. This will not set off a war and in fact, may go a long way to resetting stability of some sort in the region. Russia will not support Iran if it attacks Israel. The political and economic cost will be too great. However, by reestablishing a sphere of influence in the middle east - in a position contrary to the United States' position, it can help find regimes that might otherwise use violence to make their statement have a political valve in which to do it. This seems more along the lines of the first steps of a MAD type agenda that Russia has in mind. It's actually quite smart - and something that the US might have also accomplished down the road if they ever thought to start talking to Iran. I totally disagree with your premise that Russia would support Israel in that scenario. Therefore, on balance, the rest of your post I have issues with. Maybe I'm missing something, though.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 05:45 PM) If it's not a tree, it ain't for me. You poor thing. That bark has to hurt.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 05:36 PM) Quite the contrary. This is in fact IN Russia's best interests on a security and influence level. Yes, it is... Russia is still a major player in world affairs. In fact, Russia, I predict, will be the final catalyst involved in starting the next 'big' war - and something like this might be enough to set it off.

Let me boil this down here for everyone. From the "protests" on Monday, to the "spanish Star Spangled Banner", to the pure outright saying "screw off" to our laws... See, 25 years ago, coming to America meant something. They wanted to become AMERICANS. Today, these people want to come here to become WORKERS. See the difference? They flaunt the "illegal" part, they taunt us with it, and basically it's a slap in the face to every LEGAL person here. Yet, I'll see this stupid little post defending these people. What part of this can you possibly defend? So these people pick our vegetables and shovel our s*** (or insert whatever jobs Americans supposedly won't do). It used to mean something to be an American. Now, sadly, it doesn't. Would these people be willing to die for our country? No... they just want the $$$$$$$. That's my problem with this whole thing.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 03:48 PM) So in other words, you'd be in favor of much higher taxes on the folks who make 2x as much as your family in order to end the current period of deficit spending? No, I said 'status quo' combined with reductions in spending.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Yeah, for a paltry 215 days. The amount of oil that could be recovered from ANWR would be so negligible on oil and gas prices that it'd be a complete waste. If you want massive amount of oil, it's in our own backyard in the form of Candaian oil sand and shale, anyways. But, wait, a few days ago everyone hopped aboard the alternative fuels bandwagon and now is up for drilling in ANWR. SHOCKING. The initial estimates on Prudhoe Bay way back when were 'paltry' too... and it's still pumping quite a bit of oil the last time I checked.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:44 PM) Now if Soxtalk could bring Kap and I together to play some video games... scary. That could be arranged, you know.

I guess. That's kind of depressing in a way.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) Wow, helping out Nuke, this is almost Fun. QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 03:21 AM) Wow! Working together with Balta?! Say it aint so! I hadn't read the article you quoted but they were talking about it at length on Fox News earlier this evening. Soxtalk is the greatest, and this is why.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:34 PM) What would you think of a Democrat who was willing to enter office and keep tax levels right where they are, and were strong on national defense? But who had a mind towards efficiency, and put in place a serious program of analyzing and streamlining all federal agencies, using corporate consulting firms, like other businesses (as I have suggested here before)? Would you vote for that candidate, even though they didn't cut taxes? I know that is just a theoretical, I'm just curious how important tax cuts are to you. Status quo is fine by me on current tax levels, as our current 'state' wouldn't allow for further cuts. The talk of "make wealthy people pay their fair share" from the Democrats today will effect a lot of the middle class (a household income of somewhere about $70K and above is 'rich' from what I've seen) by raising their taxes. I never in the world would think I (well my family) would qualify for "rich" by today's Democratic Party, but I do, and my taxes would go up. And that's sad, because I sure as hell ain't 'rich'.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) Yeah, let's not go there. As long as someone else is paying my taxes for me, and countries are willing to fininace our debt, why worry That's my favorite bed time story. Borrow more money for me Mr. President. Why do you have to equate that with our national debt? It doesn't have to be that way. CUT SPENDING.