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BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT! He was SPOON FED the "HYPED" intelligence by the Bush White House. Come on, dammit, mreye. You should know that.

DISH, (formerly Clark) Texas is right near a town called, I s*** you not, Hoop and Holler, Texas. So that goes right along with Hot Sex Slave, FL. By the way, it's near Houston, not Fort Worth.

Oh, but Bush is lying - he's not being "frank".

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) The title of the article is 'Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force', I don't see anything wrong with that. And then there's a reference that basically says "sources say" but then "it's not proven"... :rolly

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 07:20 PM) Any people good with technology. Can you please pm me if you know how to turn tivo recording into DVD's or is that a pipe dream. It's a nice, easy process.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) Americans love to give money to religious causes because it makes them feel good about themselves. So when one party aligns themselves more or less with those causes & those institutions Americans are more likely to feel good about themselves when supporting them. Sadly, he's pretty much right on with this statement.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:11 PM) Urban Dictionary says it best: ghey: Usurping the traditional term GAY to take the homosexual meaning out and leaving in the lame. That's so gay it's G-H-E-Y! Wow.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:05 PM) Is there a reason there is masked spelling here.. ? Could it be that the word "gay" has caused trouble here before so most of us have refrained from using it at the request and respect of the mods and admins who run this joint.. ? Who cares about history?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) No, we really didn't know who the players were, or who was involved in the shaping of the US energy policy. And Cheney never made that information or the substance of the Energy Task Force available and refused to turn over documents regarding the matter. A lot of what we know about Ken Lay's involvement only became known as the Enron debacle and ensuing investigations unfolded. More than 25 "Bush Pioneers" ($100K+ donors) before the 2000 election came from the Energy and Natural Resource sector. Knowing that the public would of course demand transparency as to exactly how much a US energy policy coddled these major donors and their industries, the White House should have been very upfront about who was influencing policy and then be able to justify it. I agree with Tex that of cource Big Energy needs to be at the table when drafting US energy policy. It is what may have transpired under the table that has always been the issue. I agree with you there. These "under table" deals with ALL facets of industry are sickening.

I can tell the same joke over and over again, just to try to make a point that has been kicked so hard, the bones are brittle on that horse. I wonder if the horse was ghey?

I shoulda read the article first. Representatives of these companies go to Washington to lobby for stuff all the time. So representatives met with Cheney. It doesn't mean that the executives on the Hill last week KNEW that people had been a part of the conversations. Then this gem. That's 100% DIFFERENT then the title indicates on the article. And you people wonder why I HATE the NY Slimes and the Washington Compost. People are grasping for straws here to throw crap to see what sticks. The thing is, all these high-powered bigshots rub elbows with these people all the time. There's so much corruption and crap they talk about, that you could infer just about anything from these "meetings". Did they set policy? Hard to say. But my point is the inflammatory headline is different then the actual content of the article with the "should bes and maybes and not sures". I admit that it does stink to high heaven though.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:06 PM) It was sinister on the first place to not level with the public on who was being consulted. Whhaaaaaaa? I remember very clearly a big stink being raised about this then. We knew who was at the meetings - but where I'm confused is where everyone denied it now? Who did that?

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:06 PM) Bet you never thought you'd ever refer to Jimmy Carter as Great. Good point. Seriously, Jimmy Carter, post-presidency, has done more for our country then almost any other "ex-president". He's been brilliant when called upon. He's a great ambassador.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:11 PM) I actually have several friends that are really conservative Christians. No pre-marital sex, no swearing, church every Sunday, volunteer, etc. And they TRULY TRULY TRULY act with love and Christian compassion to their neighbors. They rarely if ever get any guff from the "lefties." Who gets the guff? The "sinless" ones that throw the first stone. The ones would would rather tell you that you're going to hell before turning the other cheek. Also, who here has ripped on SS2k5 for his religious beliefs? Or mreye for being Catholic? I'm pretty religious and I work in academia and I am NEVER taunted or mocked for it. Why? Because I am respectful of other people's beliefs, just liek the guys I mentioned early. And they shall know we are Christians by our love. . . Great post, Soxy.

After reading all of this, I agree with Rex's statement that the far right and far left have so far hijacked the moderate stance that we ALL have a bad name for believeing ANYTHING anymore. Jimmy Carter and Billy Graham are GREAT examples of where I wish the "extreme" positions were. If that were the case, we'd be a lot better for it. Both are very good men.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:21 AM) hehehe.... I don't even need to post anything besides a snicker or two tehehehe.... Stay out of my thread, PA. Oh wait, it's Flaxx's thread. Stay out of Flaxx's thread, PA.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:16 AM) Thanks for the thoughtful response. First, could we please stop passing that “ignorant” along? If you’ll follow the trail of that word’s usage in this thread – I believe you’ll find that you and Steff are the only ones who have used it. I most definitely have not called anyone ignorant. These studies were 10-15 years old. Wouldn’t you think that with all the school athletic programs over the years, and all the many possibilities of HIV transmission, that if what you are speculating were true, that this would be well-documented by now? This is one of those cases where you really need to back up your speculation with a reference. I really didn’t think that posting that story would produce some of the remarks that have resulted. But I will admit my personal bias. I’m so up to here with our culture’s hyping of barely existent threats, compared to the real dangers in our lives. You know what I mean Number of deaths due to automobile accidents every year in the USA – 43,000+ Number of smoking related deaths every year in the USA - ~440,000 Number of individuals proven to have even caught HIV through contact sports ever– ZERO. Anyway, thanks again for the neutral response. And now, I'm late for my health club visit - honestly. And I've got to say, I've had some concerns about the possiblities of some of the bugs I could catch in that environment. But none of them rise to the threat of what we've been discussing. And, boy, I sure have become addicted to that whirlpool at the end of the session. Thank goodness for chlorinated water - keeps the bugs out of the whirlpool water.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) I know that. The reason being is because Republicans have traditionally taken better care of the people in uniform. However, there are a lot of soldiers who think we have no business in Iraq but go anyway because it's their job. Ok Nuke, is my observations wrong? Is my sample of people just that biased? Again, I'm talking about 4 people that I know PERSONALLY. One of them is pretty high up in the Air Force. I just want to know the TRUTH. Not some BS skewed, f***ed up version of what people THINK. The closest source I have to the truth are people who have been there that I know personally, and Kip, they ain't the type of ignorant people that can be fed some line of bull s***. I know what you're saying, and for some privates, that may be true that they can be told things that aren't true. But not in my personal case. Again, I'm asking these questions because I can't understand what's really going on other then what I have experienced first hand.

Fedorov has been injured this year... we'll see how he ends up.

If I would have done that when I was 13, I would just now be waking up from the foot up my ass.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 10:35 PM) By the way, I meant to respond to this one earlier too... Yeah, you're constantly hearing about the 3-4 soldiers killed per day in Iraq, but at the same time, there's an enormous amount of bad news you're also not hearing about. For example, there are something like 60+ attacks per day on U.S. troops. In general, you only hear about the ones that kill an American. What about the other 50-60? Furthermore, there is an enormous amount of turmoil amongst the civilian population we don't hear about. For example, did you know that right now, according to Al-Sharq al-Awsat (reputable), did you know that right now there is a wave of assassinations taking place against physicians in Baghdad? In the past few days, 5 of the most prominent doctors in that city have been killed. Since the war began, 150 physicians have been killed in and around Baghdad, and over 3000 have fled that country. And on top of that, there's always the question of what sort of job has been done on reconstructing those schools. There have been more than a few reports coming out of Iraq which said that basically in those multi-million dollar school reconstructions, all that really happened was the walls were painted over and a few new items were brought in - no real reconstruction was done, and after the paint began to chip, the school was back in the same condition it was in before the war. 1 example. There are also still over 80% of the schools in Iraq which have not received any "Reconstruction" at all since the invasion, according to ABC News last May (in a story exactly like the ones you're requesting, by the way). My point is this...yes, there is some progress being made in some areas of Iraq, and there is some progress you don't hear about. But at the same time, there is an enormous amount of harm taking place that you don't hear about either. The news has chosen to focus on the U.S. casualties, and I think that's the only sensible path to take. You can run some stories on the other items as example pieces, but you simply cannot run a story every time a school is rebuilt and call it another triumph, just as you can't really cover every single wave of murders of prominent Iraqi civilians, mainly because it just happens so often. So you're telling me that people I know that have come back from there are lying? Let me guess. They're lying to cover George Bush's ass. There's two guys from my church who have been over there, another friend of mine as a civillian contractor, and my cousin was over there for 6 months. And they all tell me what amount of work is being done over there, and how many Iraqis are GLAD we are there. So why is it that I come here, and read the papers, that a lot of people, such as yourself in these posts, wants to pile on the hate and the s*** heap about being over there? Don't take that wrong, again, you're reading what you believe to be true to your belief system and damn near everything you post is through that prism and point of view. I disagree with a lot of it, but I do respect it. But, help me out here. For every "positive" story, there seems to be about 10 negative ones. People like yourself find s*** all over the internet such as the post above - to make a point that we're not doing jack s*** over there, and "anti-war", and IT'S A f***ING LIE, etc. The people who are over there and come back home are amazed, and I know this FIRST HAND. Why is that? I seriously want to understand.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Yes, I would probably disagree with it, but I'd also make it a point to challenge whatever points/lies Rush was peddling in that piece. I understand if you see an actual report from the NYT and clam up because you feel that the NYT's reporting is suspect (hell, I'd do the same thing if I saw something printed by Judy Miller, or something in the NYT on Iran's weapons programs, etc.). I do the same thing with Drudge and the Washington Times. But that doesn't mean that their op-ed pieces can't be used when people consider them to be well written and containing good points. Yea, I can respect what you're saying there.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 09:32 PM) The show put me to sleep. Literally. :sleep WTF is wrong with you?

OK, FlaSoxxJim, et. al. The Dallas show is this Sunday. I'm stoked. I can't wait!! I've read this thread like 15 times now... wondering what the show will be like here.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) So just because it's from the NY Times...you absolutely refuse to even bother intellectually engaging the points made by the piece. That says something important. Oh, I skimmed it. I can talk to the points, but I have more then enough history of the "columns" of the NY Slimes to know that they have an agenda to make sure that the talking points are 100% against any agenda that the Republican party or "conservatives" may have. I am very biased against the NY Slimes. I admit it. It would be just as healthy if they admitted their bias against the current administration as much as I just did their "news"paper, or should I say, toilet paper. At least then the playing field would be level. I see what you're saying about the talking points, however, I have a hard time with those talking points considering the source. Tell me they were from something else, and I'd probably be able to take off the NY Slimes blinders. It's almost if I took something from the Limbaugh letter (which, NO, I don't get it... LOL - Rush is a windbag too) and posted it on here, you all would pretty much disagree with that puppy too.