GreenSox

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Between 80 games in AA and AAA in 2016 Bregman slashed .306/.406/.580 with 20 HR. That doesn't just profile at SS. That profiles anywhere. Play him at 3B...a long time problem for the Sox. And he's still a prospect...an elite prospect, but Sale should command an elite (top 10) prospect + Saladino and Sanchez can cover 2B...or at least we'll have time to find out.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:42 PM) Of course, Springer isn't that type of defender. But getting both Bregman and Springer for Sale is probably unrealistic...that's where you have to throw in another player like Frazier or Jones and go after guys like high ceiling but 2-3 years from the big leagues prospects like Tucker/Cameron. Or preferably take Bregman and prospects and forget Springer who will be near or at 30 when the Sox are good again. They've got some pitching and OF prospects.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) If they execute things right, becoming a contender won't take 5 years. They have more assets going for them to aid in rebuilding than any team I can think of recently. True, but if they get Springer, that's about all they are going to get for Sale. Springer is kind of like what Swisher was when the Sox traded for him...similar numbers, similar age, both could play CF if they had to. Springer's 27. Bregman's 22. Part of the execution has to be major improvement in the Sox own development/drafting/signing of young players.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) I'm really curious why Houston seems so eager to move Springer. He seemingly fits in well in that clubhouse and fits perfectly on paper with Correa, Altuve, ect. Probably willing to move him more than eager. His defense isn't great, he Ks a lot and plays corner OF. He's very good, not great. But considering his service time, rebuilding and the dire Sox need for defense (something that Rick Hahn has consistently ignored to the ongoing detriment of his team) , I'm really not interested in Springer as a headliner, even if Bregman isn't available. Plus, given the history of the Sox FO I think Springer as headliner will bring severely diminished overall return.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) If Bregman is on the table, you make that deal. +1

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) It's not about replicating Theo. It's about doing it the right way. And Theo didn't have anywhere close to the tradeable assets that Hahn and Williams have. If the Sox trade Sale, Q, Eaton and Jones, that is as big a dispersal of highly productive players in their prime as I've ever seen. Plus they have some of the short term guys like Frazier, D Rob and Melky, which is about all that most reubilders have to sell Now they can't flood the market with them and some are better traded in July. It didn't take Theo 5 years to build a winner, and if Hahn and Williams have any kind of competence, it shouldn't take them that long either. And, of course, the farm needs to become productive (drafting, international signings, development) or this is all a one-shot deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) There is a zero chance that any Chris Sale deal doesn't involve liberal input from not only Kenny Williams, but JR as well. I just want him to stay out of the specifics. It's his eagle eye and lust for tools that gave us Avisail, Walker and Hawkins and many others. He has a bad habit of getting myopic about specific players/prospects and losing value because of it. He can give some overall parameters and then the "OK" if he believes the trade is fair, but he needs to stay out of the way of the specific return. And, yes, I know I'm dreaming.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) When the depth is bad in the first place and the temptation to use him is there because of the whims of the front office, its best that said "bad depth" is as far away as humanly possible from the organization. Mark I liked him better in that role than Scott Carroll...and I suspect that the Sox will have a few Ranaudos/Carrolls picking up starts this year as they take their time with the pitching prospects.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Bregman, younger and more years of control- and extremely talented. But I like the way the Sox match up with LA better for a monster haul. I like the way we match up with the Dodgers farm and perhaps their secondary needs for a monster haul. But the Astros front office is a much better match up with the Sox.

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Apparently Bregman and Springer are being dangled (not together) but the team still would ideally prefer trading him to the NL. Want Bregman Don't want Springer. Springer with his tools and high Ks is probably a KW guy...Stay out of it, KW.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) I think it'll be Sale, Frazier, Melky, and Jennings. Maybe Robertson but they might just see if he can dominate the first couple months before trading him. Edit: I keep forgetting about Gonzalez. If a team needs a back end starter hes there. If Jones has another good year, they should be able to squeeze a real premium out of him in July.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) Petricka's coming off an injury as well, so you can probably cross him off the list. In terms of the minor leagues, a couple of guys who might thrive in that role would be Jordan Stephens and Spencer Adams. Hansen's another name to watch, as well. Petricka should be able to throw multiple innings (based on performance before surgery). Trouble is that he's a last man in the bullpen quality pitcher, so it doesn't help. And really, regular multiple inning outings doesn't make a lot of sense in the regular season. It reduces the ability to use them when really needed - high leverage.

Sale will return more than Q. Q not viewed as an ace. Q would work much better in a retool or rebuild. Keep Q and trade Sale.

He was special enough for the braintrust to protect on the 40 man. Can they protect another player now?

A third baseman, I see....

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) He is going to get 1 chance to cash in on the FA market in his career. You want him back you're going to have to pay for him. If you want him to stay past this season you'd have to pay for him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) And likely a large amount of spending after 2018...especially if you don't crush the Sale trade. Well, I am confident in saying that if the Sox don't crush the Sale trade then it will be a major failure. But for the long haul, they have to do a better job drafting, signing international players, and development.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) If true, this proves they're planning a half-ass rebuild. We should be open to moving anyone other than Rodon & Anderson if the right price is met. True, although I would call it a major retooling. If done right, it could work (big if). Not being willing to move Jones seems really silly.

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) Adam Eaton would get more in a trade than Chris Sale. Fact. 5 years $38 million for a 6 WAR player? And you are talking about Vlad Jr. wowowowowowow These discussions are beyond silly, not to mention it is extremely frightening there are so many ignorant White Sox fans. Eaton would have a 3-4 WAR value on the trade market. If he threw up that 6 WAR playing CF and did it for successive years then he would have closer to 6 WAR market value.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) Not sure why Toronto would empty their already mediocre system for a guy like Eaton when they could just sign Fowler and give up 1 pick. Eaton is a better player and a lot cheaper salary-wise.

They have a lot of the same type of these AAA/AAAA relievers on the 40 man. Seems they could have squeezed in Delmonico. Purke, Blake Smith Soto....all LH AAA relievers kind of like Lamb. What about Avi? Isn't he hitting arb? sox keeping him around? I guess they just as soon do so if they rebuild.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) Yes, but would you really care? The chances of these guys being impact players is beyond small. They won't get you anything in a trade, and are easy to replace with something similar, especially if they are rebuilding. A team that spent $3 million on Bonifacio should make the effort to protect a utility infielder.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Tomorrow (Friday) is the deadline for teams to add players to their 40-man rosters in order to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft. Here's a look at who is currently exposed that may need protection, and who is already on-roster that could go. What the Sox do Friday could perhaps be an indicator of direction for the offseason. Thanks for the analysis. For sure Delmonico, May and Engel need to be protected. QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) Pisses me off that we traded that kid for Tommy Kahnle He was a legit, although low minors, pitching prospect. Traded him for another cooper fix 'em project.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:57 AM) please. which way is the wind blowing today Superior GM? (here comes the response when he calls me and everyone else hahn supporters and blah blah hero worshipping) Everyone has an opinion, bothersome to you as it appears to be. As for wind blowing, I've been consistent- Sox need young talent. There are a lot of ways to get there. if that is now Hahn's approach, I think he'll do a decent job if it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) Aren't you the one that was advocating selling everyone including the hero Adam Eaton months ago? Nope. I advocated trading Eaton last winter to fill 2 holes. That's still a possible approach. I've never favored the Hahn proven veteran approach, however. So if the choice is Hahn ball or tear down I would favor complete tear down, because Hahn ball is a failure. Bregman is my favorite of all of these top prospect already in the majors possible, although unlikely, targets.