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Rodon gave up 5 hits and 3 walks in his 3.2 Rehab innings.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) If you aren't going to get a quality deal for Sale or Q now, there is no reason to move them. Deal them in the winter when you have more teams in the mix and an extremely weak free agent crop. Getting rid of Duke is a good start and signals they aren't competing next year. So start dumping Jackson, Avila, Navarro, & Morneau for anything you can get now. Dump anyone of Frazier, Gonzalez, Robertson, Shields, Lawrie, Melky, Abreu, & Garcia now if you get a nice return. If not try to deal them in the offseason as well, or in Avi's case do not offer arbitration. I hope you're right. More teams are in it in the winter, but not that many as rebulders won't trade for him. And the pressure and the premium are there in July. Supposedly the Sox are looking for players off of ML rosters, which suggests retooling , not rebuilding, and not a serious effort at that (contenders aren't going to trade their contributors). They could probably get a quality deal for sale now...just not with all that many ML ready guys. We'll see.

Dodgers looking at Archer today. They obviously want a top shelf pitcher. Work out a deal, please. Sox scouts are apparently at that game. Can't figure out why though. Keuchel getting rocked today already. Another team who could use a pitcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) MLB ranked Tilson #5 behind Fulmer, Collins, Adams, Burdi, respectively. A 10-12 from the Cardinals is our #5. So much for this great organizational improvement some claim Hahn has performed.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) An FO with any gaul would do such a thing, but this is Kenny Williams and his puppet Rick Hahn. Who knows what could happen in the next 24 hours? Or Skill They should be pushing Melky out there along with Shields, Robertson, Q and Sale

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) I don't think one appearance is going to matter. Probably not. But 2 meltdowns in a week won't help, so why take the chance pitching him 2 days in a row. Game doesn't matter.

Hahn needs to tell Ventura not to pitch Robertson today.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) I agree. I find it interesting that they have put Frazier at 1B today. There may be some dominoes about to unfold today. I'm guessing the Sox will make 2 more trades before the deadline. If anyone needed some time off, Abreu did.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) As of last week they were Cubs & Indians prospects! I'll take them. The OF from the Indians, the SS from the Cubs, add Sanchez and one of the other Yankee top prospects (plus some minor stuff). Plenty of Bosox prospects have turned sour too.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) What is there to say? Looks like a 4th OF which for a normal organization wouldn't be too exciting. But somehow, we don't have one. having Shuck start 40 games in CF is a fireable offense in and of itself. Problem is that the Sox don't have a 3rd OF. Jackson was really a 4th OF... Yes this must be a prelude to a larger teardown for it to make much sense. Duke wasn't making that much money. had a high K rate.

Numbers look like a 4th outfielder. No power at all. I'll await the scouting reports and see what's up.

Aren't most of the Braves prospects low minors guys?

Sox retooling for a year or 2 will work out well. Indians spending their prospects, Royals flaming out, and Detroit aging. Twins are the Twins. So will be ready to pounce in 18 or 19. As for the RedSox, it's a good investment for them to make. Bogaerts, Betts and Bradley are 3 top young hitters.....they need to back them up with pitching. Sale would fit right in their window. Another advantage of the Miller trade is that Robertson pretty much is the best closer on the market.

Profar has a ton of talent but I believe he sustained a bad injury a few years ago and he still isn't what you would call a great bat. And the 3 years of control is significant. the Sox are going to do a quick rebuild (thus the desire for prospects close to he majors) so that leaves the Sox with 1 or 2 years of control when contending. Not enough. And then there's Gallo.... If you want lower level prospects with great potential, Texas is the team. But for Sale, don't see it. Good news with the Indians getting Miller. Puts more pressure on Boston and takes one of the best arms off of the market.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 02:52 AM) Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 54s54 seconds ago The #Marlins, on hand to scout #WhiteSox starter Miguel Gonzalez, see strong performance: 6.2 IP, 7 hits, 2 ER, 8 Ks, 2 walks vs. #Cubs. K. I would have thought he'd be a better choice than Cashner. Not sure what the Marlins have left. I certainly wouldn't give him away- in contrast to Shields, his peripherals are decent. Back to Vaquez- he would be a good piece in a Robertson deal or a great THE piece for Shields.

They don't need fiery- that can wear thin quickly. Lack of fire isn't Ventura's problem. Bring in an experienced professional who knows the game, who can teach, and who can evaluate talent.

Just from what I gather reading the rumors and such, Hahn wants major league players off of contenders rosters for Sale. That's just not realistic - the Rangers can't give up Mazara, e.g.. And then the reports that they are specifically looking at catchers...that suggests hole plugging. All in all I suspect he has no intention of blowing this up. And I suppose if he did sell-off, that would admit failure and that could be the end for him. BTW, the Rangers have a ton of great prospect....just very few that are ML ready and not on the big league team. Boston and the Dodgers showed tonight that they need another starter.

Twins announcers described Navarro as one of the best pitch framer in the league.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Then they better be ready to extremely overpay for Reddick and Encarnacion this offseason, outbidding other teams no matter how stupid the offer. Then, fix the bullpen. Then maybe they would have a chance to compete next year. Emphasis on maybe. After 3 years of going for it, they may be able to compete. What a capable front office.

Basquez for a throw in, fine. But you have to hit. He's more than .100 OPS below acceptable levels.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) Would love Vazquez but he may not be an ML bat. But is an ML catcher. Not a great fit on a team looking for some offense. But a long range solution behind the plate. Not if he can't hit and so far he has been awful. Should come cheap. I would think Baltimore could use some of our second tier pitching.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) oh and Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 4s4 seconds ago White Sox evaluators aren't just scouting Red Sox' system. Source says Chicago looking at catchers, incl Christian Vazquez and Gary Sanchez. https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/759505031401844736 Vasquez hits like Leury Garcia. Boston can get away with it. Wonder which Sox vet the Yankees would want.

Yep, they probably will. A front office that can't come close to .500 while "all in" probably doesn't have the chops to grab value when its available. It's becoming apparent that Hahn is to general managing what Ventura is to managing.

Here you go. This Boston writer suggests Shields for Henry Owens. Sold! (even though I have my doubts about Owens). http://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-so...e-james-shields

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) He probably is the #1 offensive prospect in baseball but he may be 2 years away. Also ultimately he may be a DH because Boston has better offensive/defensive young players in the outfield in front of him. Right now, Boston's #1 prospect may be Benintendi( also at AA) who they could promote to LF after the deadline because he is a 2 way player. Boston wants a World Series this year especially w Ortiz exiting and Shields could be that piece to put them over the top. Maybe the Sox have to add another pitching prospect or maybe upgrade to Rodon from Fulmer. Dombrowski is seldom enamored w prospects as he is with instant gratification. Shields is a back end starter. The RedSox are not lacking in those types. He will not help them win a WS.